Wow, I Can't Believe All The Kerry Bashing!!

[K8-EEE]

He's not my first choice either but I don't see the point in all the sudden assigning him pitchfork & horns just because he is running a successful campaign.

The way it's worked out is: Kerry looks like our chance to get rid of Shrub, Cheney, Ashcroft and their goons. I can find a LOT of things about him to respect -- including the fact that Nixon hated him like poison in his protest days!

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

1. I look at it this way:

Any of the candidates remaining in the race would be quite preferable to that chimp on ketamine we have now.

The real future is at stake. Some people better get their heads out of their asses and wake up to that fact. Getting petulant and soiling your nappies because your guy lost ain't gonna do one good thing in response to that fact.

If we want something we can recognize as America to remain, we simply must get rid of the maladministration. If we f*** up again, we might as well piss on the campfire and call in the dogs.

[opihimoimoi]

5. If the people want Kerry, so be it

Evidently he and staff doing a great job.

There are some who imply its a Pub set up. Might be, but from what I see, John Kerry is the man and its all good. After all, we could be stuck with Gary Bauer.............}(

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

7. "After all, we could be stuck with Gary Bauer"

Are you a horror writer in real life? C'mon, admit it, Opi. You are really Steven King and really live in Bangor, ME, right? ;-)

[BurtWorm]

21. If any of the candidates would be preferable

why not let the process play out, with all of its attendant "vetting," to put a nice word on it? Kerry is not the first choice of a lot of the remaining Democrats who have not voted for their preference yet. Delegates remain to be picked. Is it fair to expect all of New York or, more to the point, New Jersey's (they don't get to vote till June) go to John Kerry just because their preferred candidates were forced out in February? Of course it isn't.

Democrats do not do coronations. Long live the Democratic Party!

PS: delegates mean a place at the table. Just because Kerry wins the early primary states doesn't mean he deserves all the delegates from late primary states.

[Jerseycoa]

2. Doesn't seem any more than usual

Let it ride. This is a hell of a bitch of a primary race, but we'll pull together before much longer, I suspect.

[Zech Marquis]

3. he made Nixon sweat

so that's a bonus in my book.

I t wasn't long ago when Kerry was being called DOA and Dean a freight train thundering along at full speed (supposedly) My how karma can bite you :evilgrin:

[polpilot]

9. If you spell karma 'DLC'.

Dean '04...The Scream Party

[Walt Starr]

4. As long as he's no more than 4.9% behind Bush in the polls

he's got my vote.

He drops to 5% or more behind Bush and no way do I waste a perfectly good vote on a losing campaign. My vote would do more good in such an instance going to a third party that could become legitimate.

[StopTheMorans]

11. we all know how reliable polls can be leading up to elections

are you sure about that one:)?

[NewYorkerfromMass]

13. Walt. When he was a gazillion pts down in NH I stuck with him

And I wasn't alone and we all stuck with it and it is that kind of fortitude that will get us into the WH.
Please don't even contemplate defeat.
Please.

[BL_Zebub]

6. Hey, what's up with the ethnic slurs?

"pitchfork & horns"?? What are you, some kind of racist? A Devilphobe??

I don't appreciate those kind of comments at all :evilfrown:

BTW, Kerry has no chance of beating Bush. He voted for most of Bush's crap.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

8. Piffle.

n/t

[polpilot]

15. Dean, a real grassroots populist, running 'under the radar' as a democrat

miraculously begins to trounce the pro-war DLC's establishment candidate Kerry. How to stop the people's voice: First The DLC (Go to their site for a good read) softens the target and then Clark, waaaay too late to possibly win IN THE CONTEXT OF THIS PRIMARY, asked to enter the race (To stop Dean, of course).

Today: First, Clark is a rookie to politics and was not involved in any of the aforementioned plans. Clark, once again advised by the party's kingmakers, is advised to back away leaving the question of Kerry's running mate. Kerry (Teresa) will pick a weak running mate and assure Kerry a 43% total in November and the establishment will have won.

[HootieMcBoob]

10. It's just Democrats eating our own

That's a big reason the Republicans are in control of every branch of the government. Democrats will never learn to see the big picture. We'll carp and whine about our party until we do our own candidate so much injury that he's battered and bleeding even before Rove has a chance to get at him.

I agree that the party needs fixing but that was also Nader's point last year and look where that got us. Already, because of our voices and activism we've changed a lot. Moveon.org and the other grass roots organizations are making a big difference. Just look at how, due to our and Dean's voices, the candidates and Democrats in general are fighting back now and speaking up about much more about our concerns.

Everything can't be accomplished in one election. We're taking steps and we need to take many more. But to hand back the White House as a protest to not getting our ideal candidate the nomination is not going to move us ahead at all.

Democrats need to be pragmatic for once in our lives. Look at the big picture. We can't take our ball and go home if we don't get everything we want. If we do that we'll end up with nothing at all. I'm convinced that that is what Bush and Rove expect of us.

[YouMustBeKiddingMe]

12. Exactly. The "all or nothing" strategy is unrealistic and naive.

The majority of Democratic voters are simply not going to go along with an agenda dicated by the left fringe.

People are angry with Bush and they want him out of office. That's what is driving them to the polls. First things first. Show Bush the door, and then work to make changes. It will take years, and won't happen overnight.

[BL_Zebub]

16. The "big picture" is this

The DLC has sold out the Demoncratic Party to PNAC and the corporatist fascists. Kerry is taking money from FAUX News. How do you justify that?

He's a member of Skull & Bones, the same criminal society that Bush belongs to. How do you justify that?

The big picture is that the DLC wants a one party corporatist state with only the illusion of difference between Democrats and Republicans.

And that isn't a picture I'm very comfortable with.

[HootieMcBoob]

18. BCCI

If he can stand up to that monolithic international criminal organization that included with in it the BFEE then he's ok by me.

[LizW]

14. Nixon's dead

Don't you think it's a stretch that the best thing you can mention about Kerry is that a dead Republican hated him?

Lieberman went to Missippi to register black voters in the '60s. That didn't make him a good presidential candidate now.

I keep hearing about Kerry's fine liberal record, but somehow no one can actually remember anything liberal he's done lately.

I have to measure a candidate by what he did when the going was tough. What did he stand up for when it wasn't popular? What did he risk? When has he spoken truth to power?

I'm not hearing much of these things about Kerry. I hear, instead, that he's running a great campaign. He can beat Bush. Those things are great, but we're electing a president, not a perpetual candidate.

Does John Kerry have the character to govern? I realize that is a harsh question, but I don't ask it lightly. And I intend to learn the answer before November.

[krkaufman]

17. Nixon hated him for protesting an illegal war

I can hate him for co-signing another.

[rockymountaindem]

19. Why the hell would the DLC want Kerry?

All these DLC conspiracy theories with regards to Kerry don't make any sense. The man is a hard-core liberal, not a centrist like the DLC people. Although he did compromise on IWR (which I think he is honestly sorry for), that doesn't erase his 20 years of voting for liberal causes. What activist group was it that rated him more liberal than Ted Kennedy? If the DLC was orchestrating this race, we'd have Lieberman as the nominee.

[ShimokitaJer]

20. Kerry won't rock the establishment boat

And that's what the DLC leadership depends on for their hold on power. Certainly, they would prefer Lieberman got the nod, and early on he polled well based purely on name recognition, but that pesky ol' Dean running around stirring up dissent against politics as usual sure spoiled that one for them. They weren't too quick to pick up on the fact that their choice of Lieberman for VP didn't do much for the party in 2000, but they learned pretty quickly who they didn't want to head up "their" party. When ignoring him didn't work, they switched to attacking him and supporting the opposition, whoever that might be.

You can call Kerry a liberal all you want, and I'll admit he has had some good chops for pursuing liberal causes in the past, before politics became more important than the issues. But you'll have to forgive me for doubting that Kerry is the man to turn the party around and help it start supporting the voters rather than the entrenched interests... particularly when Kerry is in denial mode regarding his links to big media and to scumbags like Torricelli.

Kerry stood up for what was right in demonstrating against Vietnam, but that was a lot younger, poorer, and less politically connected Kerry. When Kerry says a single fucking word that doesn't represent what he thinks is a safe bet, you can call me. But until he does, you can't convince me he isn't a tool for helping those with power retain it.