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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 09:39 AM
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I suspect that Clark is going to endorse Kerry today
They have both "been through it" and that creates one hell of a bond. I am not a veteran, but I have many good friends who are and I have witnessed this bond for myself between vets. They stick together like glue. I could very well be full of beans here, but I doubt it.

Don

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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 09:41 AM
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1. Why would he?
Clark said on many times that Kerry & Co voted for the war and for PATRIOT.

Is Kerry going to appear contrite and apologize for his support of IWR and PATRIOT?
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 09:43 AM
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2. I explained why I thought he would do it IG
If thats not enough...

Don

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ShaneGR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 09:44 AM
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3. All of the departing candidates will support the nominee
ABB
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TexasSissy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 02:09 PM
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29. Braun didn't.
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TexasSissy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 02:10 PM
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30. Gephardt didn't, either. He endorsed Kerry, but Kerry wasn't (isn't)
the nominee yet.
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ShaneGR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 02:50 PM
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45. Braun doesn't count, and Gephardt does
Braun doesn't count because she thought Dean was going to be the nominee, and Dean gave her a nice monthly salary for the endorsement.

Gephardt on the other hand, was smart enough to endorse whoever won his home-state of Missouri.
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 09:45 AM
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4. You may be right
I suspect the delay in the announcement speech is to give Wes time to talk to Kerry (or maybe some of the other candidates) and cut a deal for switching support. (When I say deal I don't mean it in the derogatory sense, only in the political sense of embracing certain issues near and dear to Clark; no promises of cabinet post or VP) There's a lot at stake and Clark has a base of support that could make a difference in other races. For instance, if Clark and Edwards supporters had combined in Tennessee, they would have beaten Kerry. Clark has 102 delegates committed to him for one vote at the convention and releasing them to another candidate is a delicate matter.
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WiseMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 09:46 AM
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5. Clark's people will ask him to. They want to keep in the fight
against Bush and the best way is to merge with the Kerry campaign.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 09:57 AM
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7. I will not ask him to.
I want to keep up the fight. I want to poll watch on election day. But I will do it for the good of the party. That's all. I am not convinced that Kerry is the best.
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 09:53 AM
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6. Well I was wrong about Tom Harkin's glue
but I hope you are right.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 12:13 PM
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23. I guarantee you that Harkin has since reconsidered.
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Ficus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 02:12 PM
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34. yes he has
he's waiting to see what happens in WI...

"Harkin to Reconsider Support for Dean"
http://desmoinesregister.com/news/stories/c4789004/23504689.html
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 02:15 PM
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38. Harkin had Dean change to sweaters. Harkin kept talking about all the
Edited on Wed Feb-11-04 02:44 PM by stickdog
NEW (read: foreign) voters Dean was bringing into the Party. Harkin had Dean bring in his wife just in time for the last minute anti-Steinberg push polling.

Finally, Harkin's firery preamble set up Dean's scream. Harkin did his job perfectly, just as he did at Wellstone's Memorial.
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Ficus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 02:27 PM
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41. ahh I see what you meant
by "harkin did his job"
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 02:34 PM
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42. Harkin has reconsidered and you can garauntee it?
Do tell
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 02:11 PM
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32. Harkin did his job.
Just like he did at Wellstone's Memorial.
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Ficus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 02:13 PM
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35. PW was a friend of his
Paul and he were best friends in the Senate.
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 02:16 PM
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39. And he saw what happened to his best friend.
Didn't he?
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BL_Zebub Donating Member (473 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 10:00 AM
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8. For Clark to endorse Kerry would make him a hypocrite
Clark campaigned as an outsider. For him now to say that the DLC insider is the best guy for the job would be a complete reversal of that.

That doesn't seem within the General's character at all. Don't see it happening.
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Jerseycoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 10:02 AM
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9. Clark will do what's good for the country
and for the party. Nothing Clark does will make him a hypocrite unless he registers as Republican and I wouldn't hold my breath on that one.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 11:12 AM
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11. Thank you! Hel-lo! Clark would certainly not be a hypocrite...
if he endorsed Kerry.
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elixir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 11:47 AM
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17. I think Clark will back Kerry in order to influence the Kerry camp
Clark can add a great deal to the whole primary process if he's involved w/ Kerry. I don't think their positions were that differing that they cannot come to agreement. It doesn't mean Clark's selling out, it means he's supporting the nominee who will take GWB out of the WH.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 11:10 AM
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10. If he endorses anyone it would be Kerry. Clark believes..
dems need a candidate with national security bona fides. Edwards doesn't have any. :shrug:

Also, if Clark is entertaining accepting a position in a Democratic cabinet, it looks more likely that Kerry would be the president.
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 11:21 AM
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15. Okay.. that makes endorsements sound pretty self-serving..
"if Clark is entertaining accepting a position in a Democrtic cabinet, it looks more likely that Kerry would be the president". Remember when Bush Sr. and Reagan were at each other's throats during their primary? It was ugly.. very ugly. Then Bush jumped on board with Reagan, and became the running mate? I remember what I thought of him when he did that, after savagely campaigning against each other.

How sad that endorsements seem to be just tools to get in good with the one who'll get in power. Clark may very well endorse Kerry, because of their shared military experience.. I'd go with that theory, it sounds much nicer.
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poskonig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 11:15 AM
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12. I think it will be Edwards.
There's a chance Clark could go Kerry, or even Dean, who he was on good terms with before. However, my gut says Edwards, partly because he never slimed Clark as a Republican.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 11:16 AM
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13. He very well may
but he might not today (unless you see a candidate suddenly hop a plane). Though he is an outsider, the Vietnam bond may be an influence, and maybe not. Time will tell.
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LTR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 11:17 AM
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14. I say he holds off
But continues to stump for the Democratic Party as a whole.

He will endorse when it becomes a one-man race.
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11cents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 11:31 AM
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16. He's said he'll do whatever he can to help the Democrats win
He's also made it clear in a number of remarks that he regards Kerry as a highly qualified candidate. I don't know that he'll endorse him today, but I think he'll have no hesitation in doing so when he thinks the time is right. I hope he stays in the arena and fights like hell -- he's helped the party already, and can do more.
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 02:21 PM
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40. And isn't that really the most important thing about his entire candidacy?
Endorsing Kerry, that is.
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 11:51 AM
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18. possibly
there's a slight probability that he'd pick Edwards
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John_H Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 11:58 AM
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19. I hope he's cutting a deal for sec of defense
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Jerseycoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 12:09 PM
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21. He can't by law do SOD
Secretary of State is my wish for him.

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John_H Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 12:11 PM
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22. Isn't the rule five years?
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Jerseycoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 12:43 PM
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25. I thought it was ten
But you may be right.
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 12:08 PM
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20. maybe but more likely he waits until after the 17th
Out of respect for Dean, Edwards, DK, Sharpton.
But I agree it will happen.
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LuminousX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 12:34 PM
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24. I doubt it
I surmise that he will wait until the convention and back the winner. He would't want to dilute the nominee by first backing one and then having to back another.
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 12:59 PM
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26. Since he was running for VP all along
this makes perfect sense.
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Shanty Oilish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 01:03 PM
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27. LOL
Just...LOL

(No he wasn't!)
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 02:40 PM
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43. true
But then the short list is getting awfully long isn't it? Aren't there about 10 people on that list already?
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 02:08 PM
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28. That's really funny.
Clark has about as much in common in Kerry as Speed Racer has in common with Racer X.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 02:15 PM
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36. Psst. Come here. I got something to tell you
Edited on Wed Feb-11-04 02:15 PM by NNN0LHI
Its because I can.

Don

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MessiahRp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 02:15 PM
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37. As a Kerry Supporter
I would welcome his support and the support from Clark's supporters. We need to unite all Democrats and build up a force to dethrone Bush and the Republican regime. We can send a message together. Even if your candidate didn't win, we can all do this as one and I think that would be a great start.

Besides would anyone be so upset if Clark did support Kerry and at the very least was named Secretary of Defense to replace the bungling Bush puppet named Colin Powell?

For any Clark supporters that come to the Kerry camp, welcome to the family. I appreciate the voice that Clark brought to the campaign and the work his supporters did to draw more Democratic votes in November. Let's all work together and complete that message by ousting Bush!

Rp
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aldian159 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 02:47 PM
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44.  Rummy is SOD
Edited on Wed Feb-11-04 02:47 PM by aldian159
but I see your point.

It pains me that Rummy and several members on my family went to the same High School: New Trier HS in Winnetka, IL. They say that Rummy was just as bad then as now, BTW.
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MessiahRp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 02:54 PM
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46. Oops!
Secretary of Defense, Secretary of State, potato, potatoe...

Well I f'd that up. :)

LOL

Anyways... Clark beats Rumsfeld hands down.

Rp

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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 02:58 PM
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47. I was off by 24 hours. So shoot me n/t
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 02:59 PM
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48. DUDE! Wow!
You kick ass!
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CalProf Donating Member (219 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 03:14 PM
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49. Good call anyhow! Congrats. n/t
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