I want to live, so I am voting for guilliani (sic)

[niyad]

(no, this isn't me, the two posts below are from one of the resident trolls on another board. thought you all might find it amusing--please feel free to comment, and thank you in advance)



If you said that about McCain I would agree with you -remember how he attack Maria Schribber (sic) on national television when she tried to interview him. He screamed like a wild animal in her face to "Get out of my way".

But to say the same about Guilliani (sic) is wrong because the difference is that Guilliani's anger, unlike McCain's anger, isn't irrational.

I lived in NYC when it was a shithole. After years of ineffective, incompetent Democratic rule Guilliani turned NYC around. Before that time you couldn't leave your home without fear of being robbed or worse from bands of unbriddled thugs. He quickly eliminated crime, cleaned up the city, eliminated smut, created tax incentives for businesses which was a major boost to the economy and employees, stood up to terrorists both before 911, when he threw Arafat out of NYC, and after, when he threw out a Saudi Prince who intimated that we brought 911 on ourselves, and of course, showed the world what an effective leader can be during a crisis. I thank God we had a man like that during that time. No one else could have been as effective a leader as Guilliani was at that time.

We, the US and the world, are reaching a critical time in the history of civilization. We are facing the deadliest enemy this country and the world has ever faced. Unlike the terrorist, even the Nazi's had a sense of self preservation. Terrorist hate so much that they are willing to kill themselves in order to kill you. And now we are facing an enemy, Iran, which has leaders with the mentality of a suicide bomber intent on getting nuclear weapons. For them to use a nuclear weapon against us, even if it means their own destruction, is a win win for them. Why? Because they will get their wish of destroying us and fulfill their dreams of entering paradise.

Do you really want to put your life in any hands but that of a strong leader? Or do you want to risk your life with a wishy washy namby pamby make excuses for bad behavior liberal like Clinton or Obamma or an irrational hair trigger conservative like McCain? The choice is yours!

Personally, I like living too much to vote for anyone other than Guilliani!









Guilliani didn't just clean up NY, he went after organized crime and wall street insider trading criminals; eliminated welfare fraud; got the thugs off the streets; created business incentives which in turn created jobs; stood up to terrorists and terrorism; proved to be a strong effective leader who took control of a city in turmoil and crisis after the 911 attacks; and left the city with a huge surplus when he left office despite the 911 attacks. He gave all of hope during that terrible time when Americans desperately needed it most. Guilliani's strong leadership throughout his tenure was the most successful episode of governance this country has seen in the last 50 years.

As far as his personal life is concerned it was no secret that his marriage had fallen apart long before he moved in with his now wife. But there is not a politician out there, or very few of us for that matter, who isn't carrying baggage. I don't think many people are going to cast stones or fault him for growing apart from his wife.

As for gun control that was only done in NYC to get AK-47s out of the hands of children. He’s a strong supporter of the Second Ammendment.

The fact that he is pro-choice won't matter one bit if we're all dead! Personally, as a conservative who believes in right to life simply because there is so much choice to prevent unwanted pregnancies, that isn't as important to me right now in light of the current events of the world.

But, the most refreshing thing I like about Guilliani is that even though he was divorced and does believe in pro-choice he's honest enough to say what he believes. He doesn't change or flip flop on issues just to tell people what he thinks they want to hear in order to get their vote. That shows strength of character and high principles. Let's be honest - We haven’t seen that level of integrity since Fiorella LaGuardia.

[stray cat]

1. Guilliani: Mr thank god Bush is president

If he runs I think we should play the sentence from his GOP speech at the convention. Supposedly the first thing he said on 9-11 was thank god Bush is president because he will know what to do and will keep us safe.

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2. I'll say one thing strikes me about this -

the New York turnaround story, that Giuliani will push if he gets that far. A lot of people are forgetting the issue right now. The last thing I saw on TV about Rudy was on local NY news here, I think, a brief piece about him getting in, and interviewing a few people on the street, some liking it, some mentioning 9/11 and liking it, and some not, including a young woman - in the greater New York region, no less - dismissing him by saying something like, "well, he might have done well on 9/11, but I get the feeling he didn't really do anything before that."

Giuliani will tell the New York in the 90s story, and try to claim credit for it because he was there. It is a great story, going from a venerable old city in a long decline to a great new and growing city; the rising tide of crime pushed back and replaced by a new rising tide of gentrification. New York used to be a city that middle class people left because it was growing more dangerous and run-down; today it is a city that middle class people have to leave because it is growing ever more unaffordable and luxe.

Rudy will try to claim credit for it, just as people claim credit for Reagan for sitting in the White House when the Wall came down and the Cold War ended well. Claims can be made and contested, but one piece of luck Giuliani shares with Reagan in these debates is that not only were they both sitting there when the world around them turned, but that at the time when they started in office, they were both some of the only men around who believed, hoped and acted as though such a turnaround could actually happen.

(I think in Rudy's case there is a great claim to be made that it was his original Police Commissioner in his first term from 1993 on, Bill Bratton, who deserves most of the credit.)

It is a story to be told though. It may not have been Giuliani, but something did start to happen to New York City in the 1990s that is manifest to anyone who lives in or around the city. And it WAS something new. The 1980s were a flashy decade in this city as everywhere else, the age of Gordon Gekko, the yellow tie brigade down on wall street, nightlife was good, but all the New York glamor of those times, as bright as it was, shined out on to a still dark and dangerous city, where the forces of slowly metastasizing chaos were still vital and potent - the city may have recovered from its financial and economic crises of the mid-70s, not from its law-and-order crisis. (And crack didn't help.) Something happened here in the 90s, and keeps going, 9/11 never really put a dent in it.

[niyad]

3. thank you both for your comments. I am waiting for the resident troll to say something about the

information I posted to correct her BS--including the fact that she cannot even spell his name correctly. this is going to be vastly amusing.