Hillary leads in CT, ME, MA, and VT...

[SaveElmer]

Connecticut

Hillary 40
Dodd 14
Obama 10
Edwards 9

Maine

Hillary 41
Obama 17
Edwards 14

Massachusetts

Hillary 35
Obama 24
Edwards 19

Vermont

Hillary 37
Obama 19
Edwards 14

[illinoisprogressive]

1. Hmmmmm,. wonder what they will be next week....

[PresidentObama]

2. Alright? The Debates haven't even started yet. But ok. n/t

[charlyvi]

3. We're still a looong way out from the election.

Polls could change a great deal.

[Tellurian]

4. Wow! OBama & Edwards are fading fast..

The smears roll off of Hillary like a spring rain on a ducks back!

OBama and Edwards better ramp up their campaigns if they intend to stay in the race.

[SaveElmer]

5. Well I think Obama will get a bump up...

Next week after his announcement...not enough to overtake Hillary I would guess...but this is politics...anything could happen.

[Tellurian]

13. They targeted Edwards

And the same for OBama..

and this is just the beginning.

This is going to be a Battle Royale.

Conason's article below explains beautifully how the RWers work their sleaze tactics.

[jakem]

6. give it a rest. please. nt.

[Tellurian]

7. That was just an observation..

not meant to be derogatory at all-

I like both OBama and Edwards..

I'm just saying... they need more people out there to get ahead of the BS..

I just posted this article from Joe Conason in another thread ripping on OBama!

Ghosts of dirty tricks past

The right-wing smear campaign against Barack Obama, with its telltale twist of linking Hillary Clinton to the attack, is classic Watergate.

By Joe Conason

http://www.salon.com/opinion/conason/2007/01/26/obama/index.html

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[PresidentObama]

9. Are you kidding?

Hillary's the beast. Look at these numbers!!

:sarcasm:

[AtomicKitten]

26. you sure work overtime dissing Hillary on Hillary threads

it appears to be a full time job

[PresidentObama]

27. Not dissing her. Pointing out it's not in the bag. n/t

[PresidentObama]

10. Fading?

Not at all. Once the debates start, the numbers will even up a bit.

[Tellurian]

14. Debates are not the end all..

Bush was an idiot in the debates..

[PresidentObama]

19. With all due respect, these are the DEMOCRATIC debates.

Meaning debates among the DEMOCRATIC candidates. The viewers will be common sense Democrats looking for the right candidate, and I assure you they were the ones who thought Bush was an idiot in the debates in 2004.

Comparing the Democratic candidates debates with Democratic viewers and voters shouldn't be compared to the Bush/Kerry debates.

[Tellurian]

21. Good, you're awake-

you fell asleep in the other thread..
glad I woke you up by mentioning Bush..hee!

[PresidentObama]

23. Bush can wake up the dead.

And make them roll in their graves.

:rofl:

[FrenchieCat]

8. shhhhh......

[illinoisprogressive]

11. Obama has been keeping a low profile before the announcement for the past month.

he has intentionally lowered his profile since his vacation and just doing his senate stuff.
This would have an effect in light of all the Hillary coverage.
Not so, starting Sat. when he announces.
We will see Hillary's numbers after this weekend.

[SaveElmer]

12. Obama may get a bump up...

Though the fact that he pre-announced may take some of the juice out of it...

[PresidentObama]

15. Pre-announced?

You mean the little video on his website saying hey I'm making an exploratory committee and I'll announce down the road? Didn't Hillary announce her intentions through her website in a similar video, and she too has an exploratory committee according to her website.

Obama will probably get a nice bump from the announcement, maybe. It's the debates that I'm most concerned at. Once they begin, Hillary's numbers will even out a bit and depending on how well the other candidates do many of these people not satisfied with Hillary will realize there are other candidates out there besides her.

I think the days of Hillary double digit leads are soon to be over, and things will tighten up in the next two to three month and then all the way till next year.

[SaveElmer]

18. Yes that...

It will not be a shock to anyone that he is running when he announces on Feb. 10...so I think the bounce will occur, but will be limited...

I agree the debates will be crucial...however, I have no doubt that Hillary will do quite well...and while I expect the numbers to bounce around a bit...I don't see anything right now (with the caveat that there is a long way to go) that would seriously jeopardize her current standing in the polls...

In fact my guess would be that her negatives would drop...as people see she is not the ogre portrayed by Republicans and the media...

[PresidentObama]

22. We'll see how she does in the debates.

Personally I think she is going to have a tough time stealing the show. John Edwards and Barack Obama, like them or not, know what to say to get people excited and energized. Wesley Clark will be credible on the Iraq War, and dealing with foreign policy issues. And if Gore enters, and I don't think he will, that blows everything else out of the water and all bets are off!!

I think she'll lack in the opportunity to shine throughout the debates, and while thats not the end all, I think she'll learn this is going to be a tough mountain to climb. Not saying she can't climb it, because she can.

It's going to be very interesting.

[marmar]

16. Dios Mio! Al Gore, help us, please.

n/t

[Tellurian]

17. Can we get some "R's" here People?

I'm so sick of the Kerrykabobs hogging the GP..

we need to Help our candidates running for el presidente..

please?

[PresidentObama]

25. Kerrykabobs? Ahem.

And I'll help any candidate who is nominated for the Presidency out of the Democratic side, thank you!

[AtomicKitten]

28. You mean if HRC survives the grenades lobbed at her, right?

Try to hamstring her or Obama or any other Democrat here with all your might, give it your best shot. You will find that sour grapes over your disappointment over Kerry not running does not translate to anything other than bitterness and that negative input is like spitting in the wind - it just flies back in your face.

[PresidentObama]

31. I like Hillary. Obama. Edwards. Dodd. Vilsack. Clark. Gore.

I'm sorry I don't hand over the nomination to Hillary, and point out it's not in the bag. No sour grapes here, personally I'm not a grapes fan ;)

[Tellurian]

40. Did you give this thread an R?

and well, ok..

mmmmmm Kerry Kabobs marinated in Heinz 57..

I'm not seeing my R yet-

[Windy]

20. I don't know who they're polling

I don't know of any progressive/libs who are thrilled with Hillary....

I think libs watch their caller id and if they don't recognize the number, they wisely don't answer!!

May also explain the WRONG poll results before the November 7 election!!!!

[FrenchieCat]

30. these folks?

[MannyGoldstein]

24. Mrs. Clinton Has EARNED The Presidency

Her bold stands against the war, and against escalation... in favor of impeachment... helping the poor... saying "no" to the power elites...

She DESERVES this!

She's in! And she's gonna win!

[AnOhioan]

29. Don't know which Hillary you are looking at

It certainly is not Senator Clinton

[MannyGoldstein]

32. She's Keeping Us Safe From Triangulators Like Feingold!

Thank God for Mrs. Clinton! The most principled defender the Middle Class has ever had!

[Stephanie]

62. Never afraid to speak out! Always willing to take a stand!

Ask her a question, ask her anything! She'll give you a straight answer, after she's polled you to find out what answer you'd like to hear.

[Clark2008]

34. Pssst...

Manny forgot this: :sarcasm:

:hi:

[MannyGoldstein]

35. Ooops - Sorry

You're correct.

[Tellurian]

33. Oh, my achin. Did someone steal Manny Goldstein's ID?

Is that you Manny.. or an imposter?

on edit-

I knew something was wrong- heh!

[Stephanie]

60. lol!

:rofl:

[benny05]

64. She has to earn it

Her campaign slogan suggests she's entitled.

[jaysunb]

36. And she will continue to lead until,

the race starts......

[SaveElmer]

37. The race has started my friend...

Been goin on for quite a while...

[jaysunb]

38. I think not....

the "post parade" maybe, but not the horse race.

[benny05]

39. Poll source (s) link? n/t

[SaveElmer]

41. Sorry...

http://americanresearchgroup.com/

[benny05]

43. Conservative Polling Group

Should have known. Thanks for the info.

[SaveElmer]

44. Gee...shock...

Seems like every poll showing Hillary ahead is from a "conservative polling group" Don't like the poll, attack the pollster...

I daresay if John Edwards were ahead that is a claim we wouldn't be hearing!

[benny05]

55. If he were ahead at the poll at the moment

I'd be concerned.

[Stephanie]

59. Ashamed of the pollster, don't link it in the OP.

Really, I doubt you are that careless.

[SaveElmer]

63. Yeah I am...

Here you go

http://americanresearchgroup.com/

[Stephanie]

58. thanks for asking - who did they poll?

Were they even narrowed to registered voters?

[Telly Savalas]

42. There are a lot more polls here

http://www.pollingreport.com/wh04dem2.htm

From 2003. I might be overlooking one, but I don't see John Kerry winning a single one of them.

[mtnsnake]

45. Yeah, he wasn't winning a single one of them a couple weeks ago either

More like placing dead last. I wonder why.

[Telly Savalas]

46. Maybe because he isn't running.

He was in 2003 though, and he happened to win the nomination despite being behind in all polls before September 2003.

Perhaps polls done 11 months before the first primary aren't a very good predictor of who will succeed in the primaries.

[madville]

47. How would Obama do if they polled a state with black people in it ?

Just curious, MA, ME, CT, and VT are 90-98% white. Obama showed quite well to not have even officially announced yet. How will he do in the South where some states are 30-40% black ? I want to see a South Carolina poll, since both Iowa and NH are 96-97% white. If Obama can get 15-20% in those places this early he has a good shot :)

[SaveElmer]

48. Do you think they will vote for him only because he is black?..nt

[madville]

49. Maybe......

I'll go out on a limb and say 9/10 of the people in this country couldn't tell you how the government works, who their elected representatives are or who any of the candidates are at this point except for maybe Hillary and that is just because she has been around in the limelight for 15 years now.

Of those 9/10, 50% might vote, so I'll say yes, race will play a part in peoples' minds, those voting for or even against him on that fact alone. The guy is charming, good-looking and has a great smile, that will take him very far in the short attentioned,shallow world we live in.

[SaveElmer]

51. Look here...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3103160

[wyldwolf]

54. Third place. Hillary has closed to within 3 in South Carolina.

[fuzzyball]

66. Blacks don't perceive Obama in the same mold as Jesse Jackson or

Al Sharpton.....so the jury is still out on blind
black support for Obama.

[herbbrown]

50. 3 things I hate in the East

The Red Sox, the Yankess, and Hillary not necessarily in that order.

[Nedsdag]

52. I live in the East.

I don't like Hillary or the Red Sox at all.

Now the Yankees...........

[SaveElmer]

53. I live in the East...

Hate the Yankees...

Like the Sox well enough

Like Hillary...


However I am a Twins fan!!!

[beachmom]

56. Who cares? It's a year away from the primaries.

I'm undecided, and so are most people who are responding more on name recognition. I won't bug you every time but these polls are less than useless, and frankly, there are more important things to discuss than empty numbers.

[Stephanie]

57. Link? Source? Polling Democrats, or all voters, or what?

Whose poll is it anyway? Care to share?

[SaveElmer]

61. Yeah I forgot t o post the link...then was too late to edit...

Here you go

http://americanresearchgroup.com/

[fuzzyball]

65. WOW! It is looking like Snow White and the 7 dwarfs

more and more every day!

GO HRC!!!!

[sanskritwarrior]

67. Hilliary has my vote

unless clark jumps in.......Hilliary's best quality? She aint Edwards or Obama.......A Clinton/Clark ticket would rock.........A woman (wife of a popular president)and a military veteran, unbeatable........

[bigdarryl]

68. Every on line poll has her far behind Edwards and Obama who are these people they are polling

[elizm]

69. Exactly...

Out of all of the progressive sites, blogs, etc. Democratic Underground is the only one where I see anyone pushing Hillary as the candidate. You have to wonder who these people are polling.

[wyldwolf]

70. Yeah... I've already voted in the KOS poll three times...

I recall the online "progressive" polls showing Howard Dean and Dennis Kucinich as the top two.

Oh my...

[zulchzulu]

71. Looks like it's all over...may as well paint a big Hillary for Pres mural on my house

Oh well. It sure was decided really early this time...

:boring: