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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 05:04 AM
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Wes Clark could have won but.......
Please be advised that this information has been referred to The Poynter Institute
CASE Received by courier and US mail 2/5/04 - Preliminary mailed 2/6/04
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Media to Voters: We're trying to eliminate General Clark tomorrow, OK? Please cooperate this time. .... 10:50 P.M.
http://slate.msn.com/id/2095238/
Friday, February 6 2004

THE STORY COUNT: If the amount of media devoted to candidates is any indication, then the Dem nomination is already a two man race between Edwards and Kerry.

Take a look at our Election 2004 page this morning. I couldn't find a single story about Wes Clark in any of the major papers except for one - an AP piece in USA Today about Clark's bungling of the abortion issue.
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While John Kerry is near 100% awareness according to the ARG, Wesley
Clark has the following numbers among likely Democratic primary voters:
Tennessee - 73%
Virginia - 86%
Wisconsin - 86%

Confirmation of Lack of reporting on Wesley Clark, candidate.
Complaint: The media, as listed; not reporting on Wesley Clark in a similar manner as other candidates consistently
based on poll standing, fundraising results, issues stated, viewer requests and Internet activity.
Included in complaint: CNN, FOX, MSNBC, CNBC, PBS, ABC, NBC & CBS
Including listed on attachment of affiliates and publications (Newsweek, Times, online Pubs)
Including 16,423 attachments of evidenciary materials - viewer complaints (transcripts/tapes/letters/recorded calls)
Subject Period: 10/07/03-2/04/04
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Please note: From a group of 9,012 concerned individuals, the tracking of Network and Cable television and press coverage of the 2004 Democratic primary process. We are gathering evidence to demonstrate the news media's effective attempt in controlling viewer/reader/voter perception of target candidate throughout the primary cycle.

We are requesting to be allowed to correspond with your organization in reference to this matter. We welcome and request any assistance that you can provide. We are also giving notice that newspaper publications are under similar watch.

We have selected Candidate Wesley Clark, who appears to be the underreported target candidate in the current race. We have taken the Media's own stated candidate viability factors into consideration in selecting said candidate. Factors of organization (ground and Internet), fundraising prowess, poll positioning and level of supporter media communications activities. We will provide proof of viability factors based on official fundraising reports, polling results from various polling firms since beginning of the candidate's entry into the race, Alexa Internet tracking data, and saved media letters from supporters and responses from individuals within the media organizations addressed.

We have been provided proof via daily data reporting, including information given to us. A review concludes that we commence such an investigation.

Goal: We are continuing to monitor the efforts of network news, in particular NBC (combined with it's cable news channels and magazines) to influence and control the Democratic nomination process by utilizing biased and subliminal propaganda as directly
evidenced on network and cable television and it's other media holdings. After months of observation, we now have more than enough evidence that this is deliberate collusion with forethought of malice and harm intended on the party with disregard for the truth/in case.

Methodology by news agencies: The method used is simple and elementary. Consistently leaving positive news out and intentionally headlining target candidate (Clark) when he falls in polls, criticizes another candidate or is criticized himself. As the candidate does not garnet coverage when his poll numbers are up, it doesn't hold water that he is covered when poll numbers falter, however this is occurring. Evidently target candidate is only interesting and covered when the news is negative. Combined with deliberate omission of candidate in political commentaries, although no justifiable reason can be articulated. There is no lack of money, organization, polling strength or any other attributes that would logically arrive to conclusion that candidate warrants no mention. Documentation going back as far as October 2, 2003, backs up this premise. NBC, along with it's cable news networks and magazines (online and hard copies) leads in the blatant trend. In addition, hard copy evidence has been gathered regarding viewer letters to networks and print, and responses to the complaints from reporters contacted. The interactions confirm lack of reasoning on NBC's behalf. CNN is also being investigated and has been observed for similar period to date. Same general approach in reporting is providing evidence of collusion. The upcoming week shall provide clear data on this portion of investigation.

Analysis: There is a disconnect somewhere between information provided to viewers/readers about candidates, and what is actually happening on the ground. NBC is attempting to reduce a candidate's polling numbers via the direction of their reporting, their political commentaries, etc.....The fact that candidate may have overflow capacities at venues is not reported. Candidate is treated as 2nd or 3rd tier candidate without any facts to establish such a claim (example made clear in positioning, initial question to each candidate and tone of follow-ups if any; e.g. South Carolina Debates shown on MSNBC, as well as earlier Fox television debates). Polling data is reported only when effective in reducing target candidate's standing in viewer/readers minds. When candidate places third, a tie with a candidate placing fourth is created. There are no ties in elections, there is only placement. Reporting placement, however, in the case of New Hampshire proved problematic for desired effect and reporting was adjusted accordingly. When candidate is listed in polling, ties show his name below the other equal candidate, even if alpha order would normally be utilized.

Past documentation gathering continues, to be provided when complete. Daily tracking reports to be generated.
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MEDIA WATCH - Candidate coverage by Media - Series /part 1-386

Sample: NBC's Today Show Sunday morning, handled today's coverage (2/1/04) of the contest for Tuesday's primaries.

NBC reported that Kerry was edging out Clark in OK, 25%/23%, even though it was not mentioned on the prior Saturday or Friday that Clark was way ahead (43%). Prior, only South Carolina and Missouri were being reported.....while Clark had a big lead in Oklahoma and Arizona. However, now that Kerry has 'edged out' Clark, NBC decides it's a good item to lead in with. Obvious illustration of only reporting on Kerry's successes and Clark's failures. This has been documented over and over again in details for later action. The 25%/23% was a Reuters/Zogby poll. Zogby has been shown to be an opportunistic polling company by ABC (who refuses to use them), The Washington Post, American Prospect, etc... and admitted to by Zogby himself on a recent radio talk show (tape transcript archived - articles and studies as well). The file on Zogby is growing by the day.

Then, Today's NBC Show reported again that Kerry still holds a commanding lead in MO of 43%, only curiously enough, NBC did not show the score on MO, they showed instead the score of the Newsweek poll that they have reported on now several times of Kerry beating Bush 48%/46%. This is subliminal suggestion that only a giant media company could pull off. Commentator didn't even say anything about the Newsweek poll, probably because they have reported this so much already.

So Kerry is mentioned 3 times and Clark 1 time and then on negative factor only (Kerry edged him out in OK was his mention, a win he had which they previously did not report on when he was way ahead in first, 43%, just a few days ago.)


MEDIA WATCH - Candidate coverage by Media - Series /part 2-89
Polling Technique issue: The use of the Zogby polls -
sent under separate cover - various publications and research groups discounting the organization with basis for conclusion/supporting data 14269-14802.

MEDIA WATCH - Candidate coverage by Media - Series /part 2-4289 CNN Viewer letter (see attachments 4-3892/original article)
"Kerry wins four states, leading fifth Lieberman drops out; Edwards takes S. Carolina"
Tuesday, February 3, 2004 Posted: 11:16 PM EST (0416 GMT)
Viewer letter 8,422-2c
Dear CNN,
The amount of space dedicated to Wes Clark's performance in today's races is almost non-existent. "In Oklahoma, Edwards and retired Army Gen. Wesley Clark were in a two-way battle for the top spot, according to exit polls. "

The ONLY mention of General Clark in the entire article, and yet when analysing results, three of the races (AZ, NM, and ND) candidate is running second behind Senator Kerry. In Oklahoma, he has won with 100% precincts reporting, and in Delaware, he did not perform any worse than anyone else.

So considering Clark's performance, there is ONE sentence concerning success. I rely on CNN as the paragon of news and analysis of world events. So when I see such a gap in storylines vs. data, it makes me question the credibility, or at least the motivations, of the writers.

Please continue to set the standard for broadcast and web-based journalism and consider a re-examination of the facts compared to your headlines. I think you will find there is a glaring omission, namely General Clark's exceptional performance today.

Sincerely,

David Kirkpatrick
Portland, OR

Dear CBS News,
How much thought does it take from your production team to portray Wes Clark as a loser? You are trying too hard if you ask me, and it's starting to look obvious to anyone watching. Just want to pull your coattails. Here is the not so "subliminal coverage".....

CBS Evening News last night, Friday, Feb 6th.
This is not a transcript but notes taken by hand so inexact:

"Next Tuesdays primary proves to be a do or die test for John Edwards and Wesley Clark. They are both native sons to the South. If one of these guys manages to pull off both states, the other one is gone.

Edwards says he is the one because he could carry the south (lots more words and picture of Edwards in cheering thongs).

The AR born Clark, *running low on money, cannot sustain his candidacy on just his slim win in OK (showing picture of a tired looking Clark speaking to practically an empty room.)

(Incidentally, the day before ABC showed pictures of Clark supporters silent and sitting in the grass with signs of support laying on the ground as backdrop for their report. Only one supporter was still standing and she was looking down, like she was discouraged. Gist of story there was also, campaign just barely hanging on.)

Coverage goes on to say that if Edwards and Clark split the South Tuesday then race is over and Kerry wins, and then race is between Edwards and Clark for VP spot. (of course looking at the pictures of Edwards cheering crowds, anyone would assume that the winner of VP spot will be Edwards, especially if this coverage continues. Although it IS better than nothing but barely.

Now here is a FACTUAL analysis of the race....not the subjective nonsense CBS is doing to push Edwards into voter's faces. Edwards is a lightweight compared to Wes Clark, but CBS will never let it be known.

LESSONS FROM THE PRIMARY BALLOTS:

1. Iowa: Kerry and Edwards (Clark not running)

2. New Hampshire: Kerry and Dean (native sons), but Clark, despite the most unbelievable biased debate in the history of presidential politics, despite the negative campaigning by Dean (he is a republican), Kerry (there are more lieutenants than generals, turning a rebuttal against a crude remark by Bob Dole into a rallying cry to pry veterans away from Clark), and even Joe Lieberman (supposed list of waffles), Clark hung on to third place and beat out Edwards. The big losers: Edwards. Despite his Iowa kick he failed to beat out Clark for third place. Never mind he was only a percentage and a few hundred votes behind, Al Gore was beaten
for the presidency by fewer votes. There is no tie in the final ballot. In their first face to face battle, Edwards lost to Clark.

3. North Carolina: Edwards and Kerry. As a favorite son Edwards was able to capitalize on his Iowa kick and his lavish press in this single state and shared it with the other Iowa winner Kerry.

4. Missouri: Kerry and Edwards. With a vacuum created by Gephardt's
removal, his machine moved in behind the Iowa winners. There was not
time for any other campaign to mount a challenge.

5. Oklahoma: Clark and Edwards. In his only other second place win,
Edwards lost to Clark. This despite the virtual media blackout on Clark, the fact that Edwards had spent over a year courting the state, in and out more than any other candidate, he lost again to Clark. So far, in two out of three races he lost to Clark and in the one that he best Clark he was a native son. The question must be asked: Why did Edwards and Clark do so poorly with all that MO behind them?

6. Arizona: Kerry and Clark. Arizona before the vote was considered a
bell weather state. It was Kerry and Clark with Dean a distant second.
Score: Clark over Edwards in three out of four confrontations (NH, OK, and AZ).

7. New Mexico. Kerry and Clark. Edwards nowhere in sight. Score: in four out of five confrontations it is Clark over Edwards by a large margin.

8. North Dakota. Kerry and Clark. Edwards nowhere in sight. Score: In
five out of six confrontations Clark wins over Edwards by a large
margin.

9. Delaware: Kerry and Lieberman. Actually, Kerry and Sharpton were the only two who got delegates. This was Lieberman's last stand and though he came in second he did not have enough votes to get a single delegate.

There is no doubt that the big winner was Kerry winning 7 out of 9
states and he is rightfully the frontrunner.

But Edwards' performance was less that stellar and he was beaten by
Clark in nearly every encounter where they were head to head. And
Edwards came in first in 1 of 9 states, but second in only 2 of nine state.

Clark came in 1st in 1 state and second to Kerry in 3. That give Clark 4 wins to Edwards' 3.

So you see, intelligent analysis can be made by more than the media pack who have already decided what story to sujectively push.


ADDITIONAL NOTE: 2,563 VIEWERS SIGNED THE FOLLOWING AS AREA TO RESEARCH:

Possible motive/incentive for media to have instituted
the Clark National News Blackout, including PBS?

WESLEY CLARK SLAMS MEDIA CONSOLIDATION
Democratic Presidential Candidate Also Criticizes Entertainment Industry
January 05, 2004
http://www.adage.com/news.cms?newsId=39479

check donations:
http://www.opensecrets.org/presidential/contrib.asp?id=N00025663&cycle=2004">http://www.opensecr ets.org/presidential/contrib.asp?id=N00025663&cycle=2004">http://www.opensecrets.org/presidentia l/contrib.asp?id=N00025663&cycle=2004

and:

http://www.bop2004.org/bop2004/report.aspx?aid=4

. .. Kerry and his wife Teresa Heinz Kerry have substantial holdings in telecommunications companies; between $17.6 million and $47.1 million of their combined fortune is held in companies with a stake in the industry, the Center's analysis of his financial disclosure form revealed. That falls in a range of roughly 7 percent to 11 percent of the couple's combined $165 million to $626 million in assets. Most of the fortune, and the stocks, belong to Heinz Kerry.. . .

. . .Since 1999, Kerry has taken positions that closely reflect the legislative agenda of CTIA. Between January 1999 and December 2002, he sponsored two bills for which CTIA lobbied and co-sponsored six more, the Center found. He also sponsored amendments and made floor statements that were favorable to CTIA's interests.
Whacking a piñata

Kerry intervened on the wireless industry's behalf over the auction of the spectrum, the range of electromagnetic radio frequencies used in the transmission of voice, data and video. Telecommunications firms see the availability of adequate amounts of the spectrum, or airwaves, as the key to its future. CTIA and its member companies have lobbied heavily over how and when portions of the spectrum--owned by the public and sold to companies for commercial use -- would be auctioned off

. . .Those bands are currently held by television broadcasters, which are expected to complete the bulk of their switch to digital signals by 2006, leaving the 700 MHz band free for other uses . . .

The following page shows the CBS listed Campaign Schedules for the runners.

* NOTE * - Clark's and Deans schedules do not include the address of where his rallies are while Kerry's and Edwards have detailed addresses.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/10/17/politics/main578723.shtml

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Yahoo ranks websites based on number of hits, and among the candidates, here's the breakdown:
(Kerry has shot up -- just a few days ago his rating was around 14,000, which would've put him in 5th place.) February 1, 2004

1 (most hits): Dean for America: 3,332

2) CLARK04.com: 7,399

3) Kerry.com: 9,398

4) Edwards: 13, 059

5) Lieberman: 36, 618


6) Sharpton: 63, 209


6) No rating for Kucinich

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http://campaigndesk.org/ Hidden Angle - pressure on journalists by Kerry/DNC to change coverage to Kerry v. Bush...in essense shutting down primary process

"There are but a few weeks to go before the Iowa caucuses and the New Hampshire primary. Time has grown short. In an effort to galvanize the message Kerry wants to deliver in the time remaining, he convened a powerful roster of journalists and columnists in the New York City apartment of Al Franken last Thursday. The gathering could not properly be called a meeting or a luncheon. It was a trial. The journalists served as prosecuting attorneys, jury and judge. The crowd I joined in Franken's living room was comprised of:
Al Franken and his wife Franni;
Rick Hertzberg, senior editor for the New Yorker;
David Remnick, editor for the New Yorker;
Jim Kelly, managing editor for Time Magazine;
Howard Fineman, chief political correspondent for Newsweek;
Jeff Greenfield, senior correspondent and analyst for CNN;
Frank Rich, columnist for the New York Times;
Eric Alterman, author and columnist for MSNBC and the Nation;
Art Spiegelman, Pulitzer Prize winning cartoonist/author of `Maus';
Richard Cohen, columnist for the Washington Post;
Fred Kaplan, columnist for Slate;
Jacob Weisberg, editor of Slate and author;
Jonathan Alter, senior editor and columnist for Newsweek;
Philip Gourevitch, columnist for the New Yorker;
Calvin Trillin, freelance writer and author;
Edward Jay Epstein, investigative reporter and author;
Arthur Schlesinger, Jr., who needs no introduction

http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/121003A.shtml

Media chiefs back Kerry campaign
Owen Gibson
Tuesday February 10, 2004
Kerry: media chiefs have pledged to raise between $50,000 and $100,000
http://media.guardian.co.uk/city/story/0,7497,1144464,00.html
or
http://tinyurl.com/yrn2v



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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 05:31 AM
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1. Don't blame the media for Clark's poor showing.
It wasn't the media. It was Clark's lack of relevant experience, his lack of Democratic credentials, his unrealistic policy positions, his refusal to attend two of the early debates and his military career that turned off the voters.
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AnnitaR Donating Member (958 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 06:12 AM
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3. Lack of relevant experience?
:wtf:

You have got to be kidding me????

And Kerry's relevant experience would be what exactly? Sitting on his ass in the Senate for 18 years.

Okay, I see how that's more relevant what Clark accomplished in the military.

Help me lord... has the world gone crazy?
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parasim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 06:22 AM
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6. Yes...
the world has indeed gone crazy.
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Julien Sorel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 10:55 AM
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19. Not the world, just a few of the
typical DU nutjobs. They try to make up, in volume and frequency, for what they lack in numbers.
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polpilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 11:00 AM
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20. Clark needed professional handling and had to come out MUCH earlier.
I am a Dean supporter but was astounded at Clark's hard appeal on the ground about 6 weeks ago via a demo long time grassrooter. For the first time I thought that he MUST be on the ticket in November and, once again, was astounded at the unequivocal nature of the military, low eco/lower middle eco class support. I, personally, didn't want Clark on a demo ticket but saw that he MUST be on a winning ticket. All of this is too late as the pro-war, pro-establishment DLC has their '41% candidate' in place for the November loss and the resulting opening for Hillary in '08. Kerry's (Teresa's) vp selection (Now this is a guess) will shave 3 pts. off Kerry's final #'s and assure defeat. Kerry lacks 12 IQ pts. in being able to run a successful campaign and therefore someone else is handing him his head on a platter.

Dean '04...The Scream Party
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mikehiggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 06:40 AM
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8. Are you still around?
Clark is done. You are welcome to what is left.
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boxster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 09:58 AM
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9. Too funny.
"his military career"

Yeah, those military careers sure turn people off. That's why veteran John Kerry is kicking everyone else's butt.
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neverforget Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 10:06 AM
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10. Clark took the bullet and Kerry got the medal for getting the AWOL
issue front and center and then getting slammed HARD by the media afterwards for not refuting it.
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Mass_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 10:51 AM
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17. that is total crap
n/t
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 02:04 PM
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22. Some beg to differ......here's one:
Native American Times
NEWS
http://nativetimes.com/index.asp?action=displayarticle&article_id=3786

Is CNN covering the 2004 Democratic Elections fairly?
Some say they are not providing “equal opportunity” for all candidates.
AMERICA US
Liz Gray 2/10/2004
COMMENTARY:

The electoral process for any society is one of the most important assets of maintaining its democracy. Many voters of the 2000 Presidential Election are still angry over the Florida voting fiasco that some believe allowed the wrong candidate in the Whitehouse.

Another asset to maintaining democracy is the Free Press, which reveals to the public unfair events, such as the one in Florida, to revealing corruption of power within any governmental structure. But the “Free Press” can also threaten a democratic society if it doesn’t stay within its jurisdictional boundaries as simply providing the news with clear, unbiased coverage.

Anyone who has taken a class on Campaigning 101 knows that familiarity brings success for your candidate in any election. The fact that CNN is covering John Kerry, the current front- runner, so much more heavily than the other candidates is actually fueling his success as he moves into the southern states. CNN’s political anchor Judy Woodruff acknowledged on the air that they are receiving complaints of the coverage of Kerry as the candidate “who may be able to beat Bush” and that it is unfair to the other candidates. This decision by CNN of Kerry was only after 10% of the electoral votes had been cast. So why are some of the voters deciding to vote for Kerry? Because they want Bush out of the Whitehouse and CNN is touting that he can do the job.

We are commenting on this issue because it affects Indian country. Native American Times endorsed General Wesley Clark because we felt he had the historical record and the resume’ to respect and support the nation-to-nation relationship the tribes have with the federal government. We did not endorse him because he was the most popular candidate, but because he was the right candidate. This suggests to upcoming political hopefuls that you will receive the Indian vote not because you are simply the front-runner, but because you will support Indian issues. That is the only way we will receive a respectable place at the political table in this vast country.
We are not sore losers but are simply asking CNN to play fair. If CNN’s self-appointed title of being “Your campaign Headquarters” is true, then they shouldn’t appear to privately endorse any of the candidates...........

READ THE REST VIA THE LINK!..........

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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 05:52 AM
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2. They either ignored Clark or blatantly smeared him.
They will try to argue that this is nothing more than a bunch of disappointed Clark supporters. However, when the facts are compiled, it will become clear that there was an orchestrated effort by the media to force Clark from the race.



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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 06:18 AM
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4. Thank you for the work you've
done on this Frenchie. I hope that this information can somehow be gotten out to the general public. Maybe Michael Moore could do something on it.

I think this information should become especially relevant to all Democratic voters if Kerry ends up doing badly in the election. People should be given the information about how they were sold a bill of goods by the corporate media. Maybe they won't be so eager to let it happen in the future.

Also, someone just made it onto my ignore list.
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AnnitaR Donating Member (958 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 06:22 AM
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5. Yea, my ignore list got a little longer after that one too!
Edited on Wed Feb-11-04 06:27 AM by AnnitaR
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 06:37 AM
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7. Frenchie, let us know if we can help, or
what becomes of this. Thanks
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 10:15 AM
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11. Go Girl! This is bigger than just what happened to Clark
Whether or not one believes Clark could have won, and I certainly do, it is obvious that at the very least the media got consumed by their own "horse race" scenarios and thereby worked to create self fulfilling prophesies. I think the truth is far less Innocent. Under any scenario it subverts Democracy.

It would not be asking too much for any mass media outlet to monitor the amount of air time or print space given to all major candidates to ensure some degree of balance. It is no different than the universally accepted assumption that all candidates in a official debate should receive the same number of questions to be answered. How blatant would it be if on a MSNBC debate the questioners gave Kerry 6 questions, Edwards 5 questions, Lieberman and Dean 3 questions, Clark and Sharpton One Question, and Kucinich none?

That is, however, exactly what they do with their news reporting.

Quick though, see if you can still edit. Number 3 from lessons learned from Primary Ballots should be South Carolina, not North Carolina. Keep me posted on this Frenchie, probably I already have it in Yahoo Groups email.

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Nashyra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 10:38 AM
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13. Frenchie
Let me know whay I can do to help. This is bigger than just Clark. It is media consolidation. Anyone here gloating about Clark wait and see. I am still going to vote for the Dem candidate but unfortunately I don't think that Washington wanted a real change just the occupant of the WH. I am more disappointed now than I was after Al Gore lost and more dissillusioned, I now know why Gore endorsed Dean, he was saying "fuck you" to the establishment. Can't have that, can't try and give the country back to the common folk. General Clark is no longer a thorn in anyones side so now instead of working hard for change I go back and worry about my draft age son. I could have trusted my son care and future under Clark or even Dean but not these guys, I don't think Kerry can beat Bush, all the while clarks numbers were rising *'s were falling. Bet me by Super Tues * will be polling ahead again. Good luck I won't be around for awhile, if any Clark supporters have any ideas or want to share information PM me.
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DjTj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 10:19 AM
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12. If you blame the media...
...you must also blame Clark's Press Secretary and all the staff that works with the media.

Politics is a little bit of a game and part of playing that game is manipulating the media. Kerry's people pushed the "national candidate" image and Edwards' people pushed the "two-man race" image. Clark's people could not counter it.
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Turkw Donating Member (521 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 10:40 AM
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14. Humm, will the media turn or Edwards or Kerry first? I think Edwards
because media corporations are backing Kerry financially. The second question, will I say I told you so, or not? hummm.

Look at the data, several media watchdog groups have commented on this.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 10:49 AM
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15. CBS news last night said his populist anti-bush rhetoric wasn't working.
Edited on Wed Feb-11-04 10:49 AM by AP
it was an attempt to undermine his campaign's desire to portray himself as an optimist, gaining momentum, who doesn't focus entirely on Bush.

When the news is putting out a message which is the direct opposite of the one the candidate is sending, then you have a big sign they don't like you.
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Mass_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 10:52 AM
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18. uhuh
that anti-bush rhetoric!! God, I can't stand it.


ANTI- BUSH RHETORIC HAS NO PLACE IN A DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY!!!!!

(sarcasm off).
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 10:50 AM
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16. Good post Frenchie
Pretty much shows the truth, not the spin by pundits. This election is broadcast media, party boss, and influence peddling driven. A true detriment to an informed electorate.
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henslee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 11:46 AM
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21. Big media sucks but candidates r always too highminded to make it an issue
It should somehow be woven into a campaign topic. I suspect people would respond. Someone else around here posted how they were totally disinchanted with the democrats for dropping the ball regarding all the voter fraud/disenfrachisements in FLA and MI in 2000. This should have been been a hot topic also. Not this Bush AWOL tit for tat. Am I right?
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