Dean, Edwards and Kerry supporters: Sell me your candidate & stump

[Clark Can WIN]

I've kept up with a little of this and that, but I've not set my feet down anywhere. I'm an unhappy open vote.

[KissMyAsscroft]

1. Pointless...

Unless Kerry fucks up bigtime he has the nomination...

Basically make your peace with Kerry...


And this is coming from a Dean supporter...

[nofurylike]

7. sadly, even f***ing up he will, if we don't get with it.

i am a long time constituent of Kerry, so i know a LOT about this. too much for right now. but this did express what many of us keep trying to tell people:


http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=127&ncid=742&e=7&u=/uclicktext/20040206/cm_ucru/stupidityisallaround

STUPIDITY IS ALL AROUND
Thu Feb 5, 9:23 PM ET

By UNIVERSAL PRESS SYNDICATE/TED RALL

NEW YORK--Bush must be laughing his ass off. Voters too dim to recall yesterday's news are letting him get away with running on the imaginary successes of a phony record. Lazy journalists are allowing him to run on a patently fictional platform of promises while ignoring the disastrous realities he has planned for 2004. Now Democrats, falling for Karl Rove's silly "we'd love nothing more than to run against Howard Dean (news - web sites)" baiting, are about to hand him the November opponent nominee Republicans wanted all along: John Kerry (news - web sites).
-snip-

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``Bones don't care who wins,'' said author Alexandra Robbins, whose book ``Secrets of the Tomb'' pierced the secrecy shrouding the 171-year-old society. ``If Kerry wins, it's still a Bones presidency.

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Dean balanced Vermont's budgets for 11 years, created a surplus, jobs, expanded health-care programs, a remarkable educational system, showed leadership on equal rights, the environment, alternative energy...

and so on

to be continued soon, but i am on my way offline right now.

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people aren't considering what it means that Kerry is being spared so many confrontations they have waiting for him.
until summer and fall.
until it is too late.

dubya says he wants most to run against Dean. the media parrots that. so does about every repug i listen to.

consider the source.

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please accept my sympathy. i feel very sad that Clark has left the field (for now). i was just getting to see what a Great man he is. best of luck in this important choice.


peace

[ThirdWheelLegend]

2. Kucinich...

Clark was thought of as progressise, why not stick with supporting a progressive? Dennis is the most consistent voice of the people. He has been speaking out since before he was a candidate and in fact his entire career. He has the right position on NAFTA, the Patriot Act, Iraq, Healthcare, the military budget and just about 99% of the issues.

The speech, which is the source of the excerpt below, will have its TWO YEAR anniversary next Tuesday.(was originally delivered 2/17/02)

http://www.kucinich.us/speeches/speech1.htm

"Because we did not authorize the invasion of Iraq.
We did not authorize the invasion of Iran.
We did not authorize the invasion of North Korea.
We did not authorize the bombing of civilians in Afghanistan.
We did not authorize permanent detainees in Guantanamo Bay.
We did not authorize the withdrawal from the Geneva Convention.
We did not authorize military tribunals suspending due process and habeas corpus.
We did not authorize assassination squads.
We did not authorize the resurrection of COINTELPRO.
We did not authorize the repeal of the Bill of Rights.
We did not authorize the revocation of the Constitution.
We did not authorize national identity cards.
We did not authorize the eye of Big Brother to peer from cameras throughout our cities.
We did not authorize an eye for an eye.
Nor did we ask that the blood of innocent people, who perished on September 11, be avenged with the blood of innocent villagers in Afghanistan.
We did not authorize the administration to wage war anytime, anywhere, anyhow it pleases.
We did not authorize war without end.
We did not authorize a permanent war economy."

Kucinich is a great voice of the people, he is one of the people.

For more on issues:

http://www.kucinich.us/issues/


Good luck,

TWL

[Clark Can WIN]

3. My vote still matters - only one vote though it may be

I have much thinking to do.

[onebigbadwulf]

4. Vote for the person who has the least ties to washington

and the least special interests.


Dean or Edwards.

[Clark Can WIN]

5. 1

[Jerseycoa]

6. You mean for the primary?

Vote Clark. Kerry so far out front it has no meaning, anyway, except for what's in your heart. I'm voting Clark in the primary unless the race dramatically changes and my vote would have some meaningful effect. It's the least we and he should get out of all this.

[gottaB]

8. I'll tell you how I came to support Kerry, maybe it'll help

The first step is studying all of the candidates and the positions they're taking.

I try to bracket out negative stuff, and only look at the candidates' messages in their own words. For each candidate, I pick a handful of things that jump out as unique, particularly well-formulated or sound, and I see how these are articulated with a whole message or theme, and with the concerns of the day.

For example, when I looked at Clark, I liked what he was saying about transparency in government, some of the proposals he had for keeping tabs on lobbyists or putting info on the net, and how that fit in with his theme of being an honest reformer. I saw how that could make a difference with respect to cleaning up wasteful spending in the Pentagon, and that appealed to me.

So that's a first step. Next, I look at the candidates' records and career histories to see what's behind their rhetoric, whether they have the capability to make good on their promises. In the case of Kerry, I liked the way he talked about achieving energy independence as a multifaceted agenda, touching on economic prosperity, technological and scientific progress, national security, and environmentalism. I saw that he indeed had a record to match his words, that his proposals are based on a sound understanding of what really works in government, and I figured he has the commitment and wisdom to actualize his agenda.

Finally, I look at the array of issues that matter to me, and how the candidates stack up. That's where I take note of any deal-breakers or things I don't fully agree with. I look at the criticisms coming from rivals, but I don't weigh the criticisms heavily until or unless I can do my own research on the matter. Most of the time, I have found that criticims are blown out of proportion or otherwise distorted, but of course there are cases where a candidate holds a view or position that is genuinely offensive and must be considered.

I don't think there's any substitute for doing this yourself, so I won't try to hardsell you on John Kerry. I think if you go through a process like I described, and let his words speak to you before you evaluate his candidacy, then you will recognize in him a champion of peace, justice, opportunity, knowledge and public education, prosperity for all--in short, the core values of the Democratic Party.

The other candidates are good too.