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fuzzyball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 01:10 PM
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HRC pulling away from the pack....
35% in Iowa, 39% in NH.
Campaign money is rolling in at record pace.
GO HRC!

p.s. I prefer HRC to Hillary. It is not as sexist.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 01:12 PM
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1. One chicken two chickens three chickens....
don't count those chickens just yet. There is a long time to go.
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Jeff In Milwaukee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 01:13 PM
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3. We haven't even reached the first turn...
much less are we going down the stretch.

I'm a big chicken-racing fan. Some people only go because they want to see a chicken crash, but not me.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 01:23 PM
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7. You're a real purist you are
:rofl:
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 03:36 PM
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26. Name recognition a year out...YAWN.
Hillary (using her name is sexist? please) won't win.

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lojasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 01:12 PM
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2. Yuck. I hope Gore gets in.
As for the name...How about "Senator Clinton"?
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fuzzyball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 01:16 PM
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5. Too much typing....you did'nt say senator Gore either....
Edited on Wed Feb-07-07 01:18 PM by fuzzyball
or Vice President Gore? HRC is short and elegant.....reminds me of IKE. JFK.
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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 03:18 PM
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25. I prefer "President Gore"
After all, he is the rightful winner of the 2000 election.

In Gore We Trust :)
www.algore.com
www.algore.org
www.draftgore.com
www.draftgore2008.org
www.patriotsforgore.com

:kick:
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lojasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 03:39 PM
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30. Eh...gore isn't a sitting senator. EOM
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 01:15 PM
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4. Remember, Howard Dean was GOD in 2003
A lot happened in the beginning of 2004.
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fuzzyball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 01:17 PM
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6. But...you won't hear a primordial scream from HRC
in any speech, on any stage.
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JaneQPublic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 01:25 PM
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8. People forget that the Dean scream came AFTER his Iowa loss...
...it didn't CAUSE his loss.

Dean appeared bullet-proof just weeks before the Iowa caucus. Then there was the news story dredging up 8-year-old tape of him denigrating the Iowa Caucus system. That's when he began slipping in the polls there.

It's conceivable that something equally harmful could be found on HRC (and you know they're looking). So -- just like Howard Dean in the last election -- we can't assume that an early lead miles ahead of everyone else indicates a candidate has the party nomination all locked up.
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Nedsdag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 01:25 PM
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9. Oh, God!
Spare me the two family oligarchies.

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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 03:37 PM
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27. That's a shame - it would be the most interesting thing she's ever done.
NT!

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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 01:28 PM
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10. She uses "Hillary" on her campaign signs. Does that mean she's sexist?
n/t
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fuzzyball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 01:43 PM
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15. Well...we don't just call them John, Barack, or Al....
It is either the last name or the initials for me.
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 01:49 PM
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22. If she has no problem with it, why should you?
n/t
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 04:07 PM
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31. I see "Al" used here all the time.
Everybody knows who you mean when you say Al.

e.g., "RUN, AL, RUN!"

Bake
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IA_Seth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 04:23 PM
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33. I call Wes, Wes. I guess I am sexist. n/t
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northernsoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 01:29 PM
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11. how is using someone's first name instead of their initials sexist?
Help me figure that one out.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 01:32 PM
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12. Is Hillary being sexist when she designed her campaign signs to just use Hillary?
.
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fuzzyball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 01:44 PM
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16. Yes, but that is just my own humble opinion
I prefer lastname or initials to be on equal ground for all.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 03:38 PM
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28. She's sexist against herself?
Then why would you want a woman like that as president? Wouldn't be too good for women's rights, now would she?

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fuzzyball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 06:58 PM
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37. On 2nd thought one can't be sexist against oneself...
It is only sexist if I call her Hillary and not Hillary Clinton.
She calls herself Hillary because she is so famous with that name.
And there are no other prominent Hillary's to get confused over.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 01:49 AM
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59. Perhaps she is a self-hating woman
Calls herself Hillary but thinks that its use is sexist.

You better rethink your theology about sexism and the use of the name Hillary.
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 01:34 PM
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13. She isn't pulling away from the pack.
Thats just laughable. She has gotten a bump since her announcement, as expected. And now as she is traveling and pulling in money, she has momentum. Which, again, was expected!! These numbers will and should change when the various candidates start debating. She's in a good position right now, but I think saying she is pulling away from the pack is a stretch.
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fuzzyball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 01:48 PM
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19. At the moment she is, I am not saying that will hold for sure
by convention time. But I am always happy to see my horse in a
good lead right from the start of a race.
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 03:17 PM
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24. At the moment, after announcing yes.
In a month? In two? I doubt it. I think she'll remain somewhat even with Obama and Edwards for a while, and they'll bounce back and forth. It's going to be a wild one, that much I can tell!!
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fuzzyball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 07:01 PM
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38. IMHO HRC will maintain a 10 point lead until January 1, 2008
atleast. After that we get the primaries and she will
either lock it up or it will be up for grabs.
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 09:17 PM
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53. Thats your opinion.
And thats VERY doubtful. She'll be neck and neck with Edwards and Obama for a while, and maybe a few surprise contenders in there.

Saying she'll dominate until January 2008 is quite laughable, come debates I think her lead will begin to get smaller and smaller as other candidates evolve.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 01:42 PM
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14. People say "Hillary" to distinguish her from Bill who people...
...simply call "Clinton." It has become a kind of title like Napoleon or Ghandi (not that she necessarily has much in common with those two guys.)

Anticipated bumper sticker: H '08.
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fuzzyball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 01:46 PM
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17. I think most people know Bill is NOT running for president
so why not call ALL of them by last name or initials?
If I said Clinton is ahead of the pack, 99% of DU'ers will
know who I am referring to.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 01:49 PM
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20. Yes, but this has been going on even before she was a senator.
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 01:46 PM
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18. Not to mention HRC's campaign.....
Has campaign signs that say Hillary for President. Gasp, is Hillary sexist against herself? Oh no. She can't be President :sarcasm:

And I heard someone mention "I like Ike" buttons from Presidential past, was he sexist? God no.

It's not sexist. It's her name for god sakes!!
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 01:49 PM
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21. Is Mrs. Clinton's own web site "sexist"?
Edited on Wed Feb-07-07 02:03 PM by zulchzulu
Jus' askin'....

Also, it's 341 days or 11 months and 7 days until the Iowa caucus on January 14. Historically, being a frontrunner at this time in the "race" is not a very good place to be. I'd be worried if Obama was the frontrunner this early...







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fuzzyball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 07:07 PM
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42. Great question, and after giving it mnore thought, one can't be sexist
against oneself. HRC uses "Hillary" since she has such
wide name recognition. But I could be accused of being a sexist
if I insist on calling her only by her first name.
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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 03:16 PM
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23. The pack has 340 days to swallow her up
340 days of standing in the media spotlight.

340 days of looking in the rear view mirror.

340 days for HRC to trip up, tire out, or say something dumb

340 days for folks to get bored of seeing the same candidate out in front the whole time.

It only takes 1 candidate to pull away from the pack and unite those who find Hillary's record a little too "centrist" and "bipartisan".

It's still too early to say who that 1 candidate might be ...
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fuzzyball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 07:41 PM
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50. I can give you an ironclad guarantee....
that HRC will not trip herself, or put her foot in the
mouth. Her campaign will be run with extremely tight control.
You will see few off-the-cuff remarks. And she is just too
smart to walk into a trap such as when John Kerry did with
Bob Dole.
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Superman Returns Donating Member (804 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 03:39 PM
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29. Now I have a bias towards Obama
but isn't it absolutely absurd to look at polls a year before the Iowa Caucas? There has been no debates, no ads, hell, we don't even know how many more candidates are going to enter the race? Why bother analyzing the horse race a year in advance before any substance on the issues has really even been formulated by the candidates? If anthing, being a frontrunner a year in advance is a curse; you can only go down from there.
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fuzzyball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 07:09 PM
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44. I simply stated poll numbers.....nowhere did I claim it will stay that way
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Superman Returns Donating Member (804 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 07:35 PM
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49. i know i know,
im just talking about how the pudits will be dissecting this info.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 04:20 PM
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32. It's just like Joe Lieberman about this time in the 2004 election cycle.
Right? He was so far ahead, no one could ever catch up!
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fuzzyball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 07:12 PM
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45. Absolutely correct you are, but I enjoy waching the score
as it stands today. My main point being that no other
contestant is catching fire AS OF YET. So the pack is
far behind and has a lot of work ahead of them to catch up
with the leader.
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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 04:39 PM
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34. It's great that she has the EARLY lead... because as we say in Alaska....

The team that leads the Iditarod out of Anchorage.....





NEVER crosses under the burled arches in Nome as the winner!!!



Nome, Alaska - Robert Sorlie of Norway about to cross under the burled arches
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fuzzyball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 07:14 PM
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46. I bet you Alaskans are hoping for global warming to be here soon
so you can thaw out :)
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 06:05 PM
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35. Is there actually a point to this?
Honestly, what is your purpose? Just get everyone to drop out and grant HRC a regal title such as HRH(Her Royal Majesty)?
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fuzzyball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 07:03 PM
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40. My main point is there is no magical move towards Obama or Edwards
at this point. Obama is not catching the fire a lot of people here
are saying he is. And Edwards has a tough climb ahead of him also.
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 06:15 PM
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36. Hah!
Guess we might as well all throw in the towel and get on the HRC Bandwagon, then.

Not.
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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 07:02 PM
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39. Name recognition
It's all about name recognition right now, wait until the real campaigning begins.
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fuzzyball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 07:04 PM
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41. When do you expect the "real campaign" to begin?
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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 07:09 PM
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43. How about when you see serious on the ground stuff in Iowa and New Hampshire
Like say six months prior to the caucuses and primaries. Right now the campaigns are still forming, gathering donors, other candidates are still testing the waters. A poll right now is still reflective of name recognition, NOT money or advertising since that really hasn't even started yet.
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fuzzyball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 07:16 PM
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47. Point well taken....but can I keep current score and enjoy watching
my favorite leading by double digits? I hope that does
not offend you.
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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 07:25 PM
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48. Not offended
Just saying this seems to me like predicting who the conference champion is when the draft list has just been announced.
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 08:13 PM
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51. Lieberman was leading the pack in the winter of 2003
Personally, I hope HRC does just as well as he did.
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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 12:36 AM
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54. That's a mixed message
How is that intended?
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 01:42 AM
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57. Non-VP Democratic frontrunners historically don't get the nomination
Carter, Clinton and Kerry weren't the frontrunners. I am not an HRC fan, so I hope the tradition of frontrunners NOT getting the nomination continues. Just my opinion.
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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 02:26 AM
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60. Ah good point
Next one before that is Kennedy and I think he kind of came out of nowhere too, Truman was counted out in '48.
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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 09:10 PM
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52. Edwards is dropping like a rock.
Edited on Wed Feb-07-07 09:15 PM by Clarkie1
I predict in short order he will be in single-digits.

Right now Rasmussen has him at just 10% nationally.

If there is to be a candiate to challenge HRC, it will either be Obama or one the current dark horses.
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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 12:41 AM
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55. He might bounce back, you never know
And yes, I'm a Clarkie too, just saying there's still a lot of time between now and Iowa. That's practically an eternity in politics.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 01:31 AM
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56. "Hillary" was started by her own campaign, there's nothing sexist about it
Her own campaigns signs say "Hillary" on them instead of "Clinton".
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 01:47 AM
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58. I guess Hillary is sexist herself, for in her website she asks us to join Team Hillary
HRC sounds like the name for a hemorroid ointment.
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