The REAL reason for Iraq war......Grover Norquist!

[reprobate]

It suddenly dawned on me that even a maniac like Commander Coconut would see that after four years of failure, more of the same will get him just more of the same. After all, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that when you're in a hole, the first thing to do is STOP DIGGING.

He got us into a quagmire in Iraq-nam, which is getting worse with every passing day. So what does he order to cure the disease? Send more young Americans to die in the Bush meat grinder! Diametrically opposed to everything everyone recommended to him.

So it occurred to me that he really wasn't trying to win in Iraq. Something else must be motivating him. Until I read today's newspaper. And the new budget. Cuts in Medicare. Cuts in veterans benefits. Cuts in Medicaid. Cuts in NASA. And cuts in just about every other entitlement program. Connect the dots.

We were forced into a war based on contrivance and lies. We have spent more on this war than WWII, even correcting for inflation. This is the only war in which taxes have not been raised, they've been lowered. A third grade math level will tell you that this is not the way to a sound economy.

So what could be the reason for this unreasonableness?

Remember what Norquist said: "We will starve government until we can drown it in a bathtub."

Am I just whistling past the graveyard, or does this seem a reasonable and likely motivation for those on the radical right? They threatened to do this and that's what they've done. My real question is if you and I can see thru the sham, why can't our Democratic leadership?

I can't believe they are part of this treason. But if not, why are they so blind?

What do you think?

[Dora]

1. War on government. War on democracy. War on the have-nots.

I agree with you.

[electprogdems]

2. war on social security and public education

both of which the religous wrong repubs would love to do any with, because, you know they are so so so freakin' Christian.....

[Norquist Nemesis]

3. Short-sighted Norquist doesn't realize that no government

means he would be putting himself out of business. But, he believes he'll be one of the masters in charge though; that's obviously more important to him than the Constitution that protects his right to spew forth such a vile, treasonous ideology.

[wryter2000]

8. He'd leave the military/industrial complex intact

It absolutely floors me that the anti-government types are all for the most wasteful part of the government. But they are.

[tblue]

4. We're cutting the funds that help little old ladies heat their homes? Are you effin kidding me?

Yes, I think shrinking gov't with this war and the tax cuts is exactly what they're doing. What is happening in this country is not a result of sloppiness or lack of leadership or poor planning. They planned for exactly this result. As for the Dems in Congress, a very few of them might be on board with this to some degree, but not many. Most of them, I truly believe, do care about the common good. And every Demorat must know this new budget is unconscionable, and unacceptable to their supporters, so we'll soon see what the 110th Coingress is really made of, and we'll hold them accountable.


Edited because sometimes I type like a chimpanzee.

[The Wizard]

5. Norquist is truly evil

He can be very charming, but so could Ted Bundy. They're not only starving the beast as they are wont to say, they are looting the treasury and sending everything down to the new Bush compound in Paraguay.
But the 20% that still believe in Bush will do so until their last starving breaths.
Norquist and the rest of neocon cabal should be shipped off to Saudi Arabia for the Friday decapitations.

[KT2000]

6. Agree -

they are getting what they want in so many ways
The perpetual war that "proves" US superiority
Fattened stock portfolios
Gutting assistance programs

Like you say, people assume that bush is in over his head but he is delivering to himself and his people exactly what they want.

[alfredo]

15. their hatred for FDR and his new deal could be part of

their reason. They can't convince the people to kill the Fair Labor Standards Act and social programs, so they will put us in a position where we will have no choice but to cut them.

[wryter2000]

7. You could be onto something

I hadn't thought about the war that way, but for sure, a major component of the Medicare prescription plan was to bankrupt Medicare. (Other components: folling the sheeple into thinking he's done a good thing & huge payoffs for pharma.)

[NV1962]

9. Hardly.

I quite vividly recall Team Bush's opposition to "nation building" in the 2004 2000 (edited: OOPS!) campaign. A line that could well have been taken out of Norquist's book.

No, it's tragically simple: Bush wanted war on the cheap, something to prop up his sagging public standing. Remember, his ratings were badly nosediving until the "opportunity" of September, 11. And instead of going after a nebulous and difficult to pinpoint target, he jumped on Saddam's Iraq which presented a static, boxed in, and easily defeated target.

That "concept" of war on the cheap doesn't come out of Norquist's book. The disastrous and disastrously expensive result of chaos -- not only in Iraq but in the entire region; wasn't Lebanon such a great example of democracy on the march? -- is "simply" a result of a cheapskate incompetent in charge of government, who doesn't give a damn about his responsibilities, not toward his people, and certainly not toward expendable foreigners.

As an aside, I've seen Grover Norquist suggest that this administration is a "good" case in favor of limiting government.

So no, I'm not buying that line.

[The_Casual_Observer]

10. I see it as being simply a bonus as a result of taking over control

of middle east oil. If the price for doing it meant that there was no money for any social programs, so much the better.

[oasis]

11. Dick"Toesucker" Morris bragged that he meets with Norquist's group every Wedsneday.

Perhaps they engage in strategy sessions with Karl Rove.

[LSparkle]

12. They almost got away with it -- until Katrina

If there's a "silver lining" to ANY of the suffering that occurred on the Gulf Coast, it's the fact that it blew their little plan to smithereens. When there's a natural disaster, people EXPECT government to lend a hand. Anyone who lives in an area prone to natural disasters (and that's most of the country, in one way or another) now realizes how important it is to have competent agencies to handle problems that the public sector isn't organized to help out with. Katrina was the "Act of God" that may have stopped their steamroller in its tracks.

[izzie]

13. I believe that this all fits in with the philosophy of the GOP

Every thing is left up to each person but the military.A laissez faire style of business with laws that aid the business. Buyers beware etc. and anything goes. If you want a good life earn it. Parks for the rich and also roads for the rich. Bush has been said to have said, if your poor you must be lazy. Or so I have read his teachers have said. And I guess also rule by the aristocrat's. Just as we did at the start. White men of means. Sorry to tell you but they were the 'we the people'. Not indented servants, Indians, blacks, or people who did not own land or women. I am sure the top men in this GOP hate that we have added so many others into that mix. After all our founders came from a society that had a bout 10,000 on the top and ran that country. We just pushed it some what and really shocked the world doing it.

[izzie]

14. Indentured is the word I should have put down. Sorry

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