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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 09:23 AM
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Edwards follows Clinton. Will not accept public money for primary or general elections.
I find this truly sad. At this rate, all our candidates will be beholding to the big special interests, and not the American people. Will Obama make the decision to accept public campaign funds? Interesting to note that his fellow Senator, Dick Durbin, is supposedly introducing a bill to publicly finance Presidential and perhaps Congressional campaigns, as well.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2007-02-05-edwards-money_x.htm

Edwards latest to decline public funds for presidential campaign

By Jill Lawrence and Fredreka Schouten, USA TODAY

WASHINGTON — Democrat John Edwards on Monday joined New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton in saying he will not use public money for the presidential primary campaign or, if he wins his party's nomination, for the general election.

The move by the former North Carolina senator is the latest sign of trouble for the public campaign funding system, created after the Watergate scandal to set limits and disclosure rules on contributions to presidential campaigns.

Edwards said in an interview that he expects major candidates in both parties to raise unlimited private dollars rather than participate in the public system. He said he needs to do the same "to have the funds to be competitive."

Edwards plans to start soliciting contributions for the general election soon, spokeswoman Jennifer Palmieri said. Clinton has been raising money for both the primary and general elections since she got into the race last month.

Another strong Democratic contender, Illinois Sen. Barack Obama, is not disclosing his financial plans until after a formal announcement Saturday in Springfield, Ill.

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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 09:25 AM
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1. Edwards plans to start soliciting money for the general
election soon. He's seems pretty confident about being somewhere on the ticket. But then again so does Clinton who has already begun soliciting general election funds.
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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 02:15 AM
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18. What will happen to those funds when he loses?
Can he use them to start up a new law firm?
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 09:27 AM
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2. Which is why no single payer - his ins, industry approved plan let's him collect
from the ins and drug folks all that campaign cash.

I am sorry to see this happen as I had hope that if Edwards came out for single payer universal health, it would pressure Hillary to do the same.

So much for the power of the left - of the Dem "netroots" :-(
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 09:52 AM
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5. Yes, and I bet this doesn't result in a flap the size of the one about his house
Details about how things really work just aren't sexy.

Populists? Not if he and Hillary are setting it up so they can take gobs of corporate $$. Hell, even Nader took GOP money. The only winners are the fat cats who own massive media.

Election reform? Don't know whether to laugh or cry.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 07:59 PM
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16. The vote is always for the best of a corporate influenced bunch - and will always be
that way until we get Federal financed elections for all offices.

Edwards plan is not bad - it is just not what we should have. At the moment His has the best chance of passing and does the most - might even help sneak single payer universal health in - by the back door - in 10 or 15 years. Here is a nice truthful summary/commentary on the Edwards Universal Health Plan.

http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=w070205&s=cohn020607

How populist is John Edwards's new health care plan?
The Reformer
by Jonathan Cohn
Only at TNR Online | Post date 02.06.07


<snip>
I'm willing to believe Edwards has actually undergone such a mental transformation. Talking to people who struggle to find affordable medical care really does make you impatient for reform. But the more important question is over substance, not motive: Does the Edwards plan actually live up to the candidate's newly raised ambitions?

Mostly. The scheme he formally unveiled yesterday is far more sweeping than the one he trotted out four years ago, starting with the fact that it would actually bring insurance to every American. And it seems even more grandiose if you focus on the details, which open the door to a far more comprehensive makeover of American health care than the mainstream analysis in the press suggests. All of this is good--very good, in fact.

Still, there's a caveat. The new Edwards plan is not as far-reaching as some plans now circulating in Congress including plans that call for remaking the health care system top-to-bottom by creating a single-payer system modeled on Medicare. Precisely because the Edwards plan comes from the candidate positioning himself as the voice of working-class populism, that makes the final product just a tad disappointing.

Edwards's method of achieving universal coverage is to establish what wonks call an "individual mandate"--a model for reform that has recently become trendy among health care economists on the center-left. (Yes, I just used the words "trendy" and "economists" in the same sentence.) Since getting a big push from the Washington-based New America Foundation a few years ago, individual mandate schemes have found advocates in former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney (who passed such a plan for his state) and California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger (who has proposed such a plan for his).

Not surprisingly, there are many parallels between those two and what Edwards has offered this week. As in those other schemes, under the Edwards plan, people would be required to buy insurance. If they can get it through their employers, great--then they can keep getting coverage that way. But, for those who can't, Edwards would offer an alternative place to buy insurance--something he calls a "Health Market." It's a new name for what's really an old, but important idea: coming up with some way to let people buying insurance on their own get the same low rates that people with employer-sponsored, group insurance get. Insurers who wish to sell coverage through these Health Markets would have to abide by certain standards: They'd have to offer the same minimum benefits as the local Blue Cross-Blue Shield plan, and they couldn't discriminate based upon preexisting medical condition.

Like Romney and Schwarzenegger, Edwards has also preached the need for shared responsibility: Just as he would demand that individuals get insurance for themselves, paying what they can for it, he'd demand that employers pay part of the cost--either by offering workers coverage directly or contributing into a pool of money. That pool of money would, in turn, help finance tax credits so that even the working poor could afford to buy coverage through the Health Markets. Since, even with tax credits, some people couldn't afford private insurance, Edwards would then expand eligibility for existing government programs that serve the poor: Medicaid and the State Children's Health Insurance Program (S-CHIP). <snip>

In some ways, suggesting that worthwhile government spending should take priority over deficit-reduction is even more controversial than proposing to raise taxes. But that's not the plan's most intriguing--and potentially radical--feature. That distinction would belong to a tiny provision tucked within the Health Market proposal--one that only true aficionados would notice. The provision is for what's known as a Medicare buy-in. When people go to buy insurance through the Health Markets, they'll have the option to buy into a public program modeled on Medicare. This would, in theory, set up a competition between the public and private insurance plans. And, if the public program ends up winning in the long run--by attracting most or all of the subscribers--then eventually you'd have what is basically a single-payer system, in which the government provides insurance directly to most people through something like Medicare. <snip>

Had Edwards chosen to endorse a real single-payer plan--something he says he considered seriously--the television explanation would have probably been easier. (As its proponents like to say, you can defend it with three words: "Medicare for all.") More important, though, had Edwards endorsed true single-payer he would have stretched the limits of debate even further than he already did. <snip>





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mnhtnbb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 09:39 AM
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3. Doesn't have to be bad--Howard Dean refused public financing, too.
BUT--I sure would like to see a totally public financed system.
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 09:41 AM
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4. Unfortunately, they know they cannot win with funding below the limits.
Unless ALL candidates agree to the limits, the playing field isn't level. The Rethugs will outspend their way into office again.
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soswolf Donating Member (84 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 10:07 PM
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17. Exactly...you can't bring a knife to a gunfight
...and you can't play football by baseball rules.

This is a necessary step for anyone who wants to win. Until the playing field is level, which will probably be a while. I read somewhere today where the number of people who check the $3 donation on their taxes is under 30%...that's pretty sad, considering that's why we have all the private money today.
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ripple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 10:47 AM
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6. Most serious candidates will turn it down
There was a time when public financing would have been enough for a candidate to run a competitive campaign. Times have changed, though.
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KingofNewOrleans Donating Member (650 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 10:52 AM
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7. That's the problem that needs to be fixed
acccepting public financing puts one at a competitive disadvantage. Public financing (or more acccurately partial public financing) has to be changed to keep up with the times.
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ripple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 11:09 AM
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9. I agree it's a big problem
Our presidential elections should be fully financed with public monies. The only snag I see in that is that we could potentially have a couple of hundred candidates running, if financing is public and equal. I'm sure there's a way to pare things down, though. I just haven't really thought it through.
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KingofNewOrleans Donating Member (650 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 11:19 AM
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11. I think that you'd have to have some threshold
of viability to qualify so I think some fundraising would still be required though what formula I don't know. Also, it would be naive to think the whole playing field would be level, can't stop money from flowing into politics, so some candidates would always have more (either thru the campaign or independent expenditures). I'd just like the system to be able to broaden the chances of who can win instead of just "most money wins".
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 10:57 AM
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8. Times have changed, and it is not for the good. Dems have an opportunity to lay down reform marker,
but will they instead, choose to court the special interests for the big bucks. I think, sadly, we have the answer with both Clinton and Edwards. Candidates who are beholden to bundlers who raise the big bucks will not put the needs of the American people first. They will, as Molly Ivins like to say, "dance with the ones that brung 'um" and it won't be us small contributors.
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ripple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 11:15 AM
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10. Yep, may the candidate with the wealthiest donors win
It's sad that by the time a candidate has been elected president, it's pretty much understood that they have exchanged a myriad of promises in exchange for the almighty dollar. I can't blame the candidates for that, though. It's a systems problem and as you point out, there isn't a hell of a lot of incentive to change it. Ivins' quote is indeed fitting.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 11:29 AM
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12. Which is why the candidates are so busy chumming up to the
AIPAC lobby.

I mean, they cannot "afford" to turn money down, can they?
They need every penny from every source.

Stand up and be courageous, he said.

Yeah....OK. :eyes:
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DaveinMD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 11:34 AM
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13. yawn
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 12:04 PM
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14. I agree.....
Edited on Tue Feb-06-07 12:05 PM by FrenchieCat
same ol' same ol' politics.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

The practice of doing what the others do while saying I dare to be different.

Got it! :thumbsup:
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More Than A Feeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 01:35 PM
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15. I know this is necessary at this time.
I also know that Edwards has said that he is for public financing. The question is whether, having accepted all the money he needs to win, Edwards can turn on his donors in this way. I'm afraid I know the answer already.
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