Is Kerry the person to beat in the Democratic primary?

[ProSense]

Seems he's still a factor in the race.

Mind you I think it's flattering!

[cui bono]

1. What???

[blm]

11. Heheh - it seems some folks are still intent on beating at him with RW lies.

Unfortunately, it's here on DU.

[Mass]

2. Do you refer to something in particular?

I have some people in ignore and may have missed something.

[WI_DEM]

3. huh?

[LittleClarkie]

4. Heh. The way stuff is still being dredged up about him, you'd think so

I think the naysayers are just going through withdrawl meself.

[globalvillage]

5. Seriously?

That would be awesome!

[orpupilofnature57]

6. Al Gore is the one to nominate ,and not because he knows when to ...

.... wear his Car hart.

[aquart]

7. Uh, didn't he say he wasn't running?

Which would make him fairly easy to beat, IMHO.

[PresidentObama]

8. Perhaps people don't get the point of the thread.

Of course he isn't running.

But you would think he was based on DU, and there attitude. If I'm reading the OP right ;)

[cui bono]

9. You'd think there wasn't a threat of W starting another war with all the stupid

posts about the 2008 race on here.

Not to mention the disastrous war that is already raging and the constitution having been put through the shredder.

:eyes:

[orpupilofnature57]

14. You got it !!! Diversions are Kkkarls strength and now he's invisible.

[emulatorloo]

10. There seem to be several disinformations threads about him each day

So I guess you are right!

[ProSense]

12. It must be a great way

to waste time. ;-)

[welshTerrier2]

13. no, but Feingold may yet be ...

longshot? definitely ... stay tuned ...

[Bucky]

34. Like everyone else, you're falling for Evan Bayh's massive fake out

I don't know if I spelled "Bayh" correctly or not, to be honest.

[Island Blue]

15. Must be.

A lot of people sure seem worried about him.

[politicasista]

16. Yep n/t

[beyurslf]

17. Didn't he say he wasn't running.

[smoogatz]

18. Flame bait, much?

Kerry was the person to beat, if you hoped to finish in fifth place. Now he's a nonentity. Yet for some reason people still keep spamming GD with dumbass Kerry booster threads. It's like they just can't get their little heads around the fact that he's not running, isn't a player in the 2008 race, and blew his best chance at the Presidency in 2004.

[ProSense]

19. One word:

Ignore!

[smoogatz]

20. Of course.

God forbid you should have to listen to anyone who's not locked in the sweaty grip of a Kerry fetish.

[LittleClarkie]

24. No dear. He means you. If you no like Kerry threads, you no have to read them.

You see Kerry's name, you can put them on ignore. That's what the function's for, no?

[smoogatz]

26. If it's okay with you, I'll respond as I see fit.

Honey pie.

[LittleClarkie]

27. Just correcting your misunderstanding of what the poster was saying

He wasn't saying he was ignoring you. He was suggesting you ignore.

Do as you like. My point wasn't to tell you what to do. I was just pointing out what the poster was trying to say to you. Sorry, was that a problem.

Boopsie.

[smoogatz]

37. I'm pretty sure you're wrong about that.

I'll bet you a tasty kake he/she just put me on ignore. Which really, really hurts my feelings.

Snort.

[ProSense]

38. No, she's right! n/t

[LittleClarkie]

43. I want my tasty kake!

Whatever the hell it is.

[smoogatz]

71. You got it.

I just have to figure out how to stuff it into my keyboard...

[smoogatz]

73. Well, there's a first time for everything. Heh.

Why would I want to ignore you, ProSense? On the rare occasions when you're not talking about Kerry, you're semi-rational and occasionally even kind of interesting. Besides, these whiny little "stop hurting Kerry" threads are fun.

[TankLV]

58. "Kerrybots" is the term I prefer...

At least we all know their "game plan" for the comming two years...

[LittleClarkie]

67. I prefer sychophant or minion meself

:D

[Mass]

22. I use that a lot. This way, I ignore a lot of very boring people.

This is how I missed what you were referring to the first time.

[Mass]

21. Apparently, it seems to be the Kerry bashers that cannot get around the fact

he is NOT running and that they are losing their time bashing him.

And people who are not running can be factors in politic in this country: it seems that Feingold, who is NOT running, is pretty much blasting ALL the Democratic candidates in the Senate + Edwards.

So, sorry if you do not like Kerry, but he is going to continue being a force, if not in the presidential election, in this country. At least we can hope he will, as Kennedy is, as Byrd is, ... (both gentlemen who have proven that they understand that).

[smoogatz]

25. Feingold is an independent thinker and is single-handedly moving the debate.

Feingold is a genuine leader, who voted correctly on the IWR (and the supplemental). I'm not quite sure what Kerry is, but I know that he voted wrong on the 2002 IWR, and therefore his judgment is suspect at best. Which isn't to say that he can't make amends for his role in enabling Bush's folly in Iraq--he can. But he can't claim to be a leader or a person of vision on the subject of the Iraq war. He wasn't in 2002, he wasn't in 2004 when his position was so muddled no one could figure out what it was, and he isn't now that he's against the war after he was for it and after the opinion polls have turned. Feingold was ALWAYS against the war--he had the courage of his convictions even though he faced a reelection fight in '04. Too bad the same can't be said for Kerry.

[Mass]

28. According to your post, whoever does not run is a non entity.

So, Feingold is a non-entity (something I strongly disagree with).

And Feingold, the man you revere so much, has said in 2005 that Kerry had been a leader of moving the debate in the Senate. That does not mean he agrees with him all the time, but that means that Feingold understands that many people can move the debate. He has cosponsored with him several resolution, including the Kerry-Feingold resolution last year, the Afghanistan resolution this year, and probably others.

So, too bad you do not like Kerry, and it is your total privilege. This still does not make him a non-entity.

[LittleClarkie]

33. And Feingold voted for Ashcroft, which was a mistake, and so his judgement

should also be suspect if we use our friend's logic, something I dispute as well.

That's the problem with purity tests.

[smoogatz]

39. So you're equating a vote to confirm Bush's choice for AG--

wingnut supreme that he was, for a vote to give Bush the authority to invade Iraq? Wow. Nothing contorted about that logic, no sirree.

[LittleClarkie]

41. Just applying what appears to be your logic to Feingold

is all. Someone makes a mistake they're suspect, hence Feingold is suspect.

[smoogatz]

66. There's a matter of scale involved, for God's sake.

Sure, Ashcroft was a fascist buffoon, but the AG confirmation process has long been regarded as a courtesy gesture. The President--even Bush--gets to have the cabinet he wants. The IWR vote isn't comparable and you know it.

On edit: I have to say, comparing the IWR vote (and let's not forget Kerry's vote in favor of the Patriot Act) to the Ashcroft confirmation is just about the silliest argument I've heard out of the Kerry Krew so far. And that's saying something. Ashcroft is long gone--meanwhile, the Iraqi meatgrinder runs full-bore, and Kerry is partly responsible.

[smoogatz]

69. Feingold is most certainly an entity.

He's leading the charge from the left--especially on Iraq, at the moment--and I'm proud to call him my Senator (Herb Kohl not so much--but at least he's a Democrat). Kerry's a very able follower, except that from time to time he follows the wrong trends and the wrong people; that's what followers do, though. Feingold is actively listening to the American people, but he's also voting right on the big issues, even when the majority are more than willing to hand over the keys to the military and the Bill of Rights to Bush. In contrast, Kerry voted wrong on the IWR and wrong on the Patriot Act--both of those votes look pretty inexcusable in retrospect.

[emulatorloo]

30. Feingold is great. Feingold and Kerry work together well.

And they will no doubt continue working together to get something done on Iraq.

So why use Feingold as a bludgeon to beat Kerry over the head with?

[LittleClarkie]

23. Supporting Kerry was never about whether or not he was running for president

we can get our heads around the idea of him not running.

What you can't get your head around it the concept that we support him regardless.

There is more than one reason to post a thread in GD. That we post threads there about Kerry doesn't mean that we think he is still running somehow. It's because we still support his efforts, regardless of 2008.

Clark isn't running yet, but his supporters post stuff about him. Is that spamming too? And I bet they'd keep doing it even if it turns out he's NOT running.

[cadmium]

31. EXACTLY. It is about stick up for the truth and

working for governance that is better than the connected New York - Washington gossip columnists that pose as journalists professional political hacks that pose as leaders.

Right now support for Kerry is supporting a deadline to get out of Iraq.

www.supportadeadline.com

[Bucky]

35. So this is another Clark thread? Alriiiight!!!! Pile on!!

I do believe in magic, Peter! I do believe in magic!

[smoogatz]

36. So, how'd Kerry's colonoscopy turn out?

Have you guys posted the results yet?

Come on. This isn't really a thread about Kerry--it's an odious little attack thread aimed at his "detractors" (i.e., anyone who doesn't keep a vial of his ball-sweat under their pillow at night). It's pretty obvious that you guys actually blame his non-supporters on DU for the fact that he isn't running

[LittleClarkie]

42. No, it's a reaction to the dredging up of old news

rather puzzling as folks don't seem to have gotten the message he's indeed not running. I mean, what is the point of discussing whether or not he wanted McCain as his running mate three years ago.

For fuck's sake, at least can't we discuss a RECENT boo boo?

In other news, might I suggest some ruffage?

[wisteria]

48. No blame ,just that we still support a remarkable man - a man among men

who isn't afraid to take the heat and speaks truth to power.

[TankLV]

61. heh heh heh heh heh...

good one...

ball sweat...

haha...

[Canuckistanian]

52. Good point.

A good candidate is a good candidate, whether they're running or not.

Who says Kerry can't be a prospect for future Secretary of Defense or Secretary of State?

[LittleClarkie]

56. I wouldn't mind that. He'd make an excellent SoS or AG

But since he's not running it is a tad puzzling that there are threads out there that are campaigning against him as if he were running.

[Canuckistanian]

64. Yup. It's not exactly ambiguous.

After all, he cried.

[karynnj]

29. He is not running - but he will never be a non-entity

[Tellurian]

32. You mean like, Mr. Whose Who to Mr. Whose He?

I agree!

[mtnsnake]

47. Polling at 4%. I'd say that he was a non-entity.

He made a wise choice not to run.

[wisteria]

49. And if you believe what the polls say at this point then I have some

lucrative swamp land in Florida I would like to talk with you about.

[mtnsnake]

51. I'm cool with that

I love swamp land down there, especially with all the snakes down there such as water moccasins.

I'm a buyer.

[mtnsnake]

53. They're just mad that I discussed how Kerry wanted McCain for his VP

so they got together like they always do and started this thread from afar to whine about it. Of course they also cried to the mods to lock my thread because they couldn't stand seeing the truth about how Kerry blew it when he courted McCain to be his running mate. lol

[skipos]

40. How does it "seem" he is still a factor when he isn't running? nt

[LittleClarkie]

60. Because we're getting some odd threads elsewhere

dredging up old wounds. That doesn't normally happen unless one is playing the primary game.

[mtnsnake]

44. No, not since he realized he was no competition for Hillary, Obama, Edwards or even Biden.

Such is life!

[wisteria]

46. Of please, Kerry would have wipe they all of the stage in just one debate. n/t

[smoogatz]

70. Then why didn't he run?

What's he afraid of?

[mtnsnake]

72. Haven't you heard?

His voice is more important in the Senate than if he were running for President. That's the spin around here, anyhow. lol

[smoogatz]

74. I thought the media were out to get him.

See? That's how out of the loop I am.

[LittleClarkie]

55. Then what was the purpose of bringing up old news regarding him

That's part of what this thread is addressing.

And Biden? Pfft.

Oh, I think he would have given Hillary a run for her money. He had good fundraising skills and still has that mailing list of 3 million. He was nowhere near the nonstarter Biden is. And it remains to be seen how Edwards and/or Obama will do. Obama is the flavor of the month, but we don't know if he has staying power yet.

[mtnsnake]

62. What. Is old news not allowed if the subject's name is John Kerry?

I don't mind my thread getting locked, but if the reason given for locking it was truly why it got locked, then half the threads in the forum wouldn't make it past post #1.

[LittleClarkie]

65. I've had something to say in Edwards and Clark threads too

when old news was dredged up for no really good reason. So it's not "just because it's Kerry" at least for me. I've also defended Clinton when I thought the allegations were ridiculous enough, though she's not on my short list of candidates I want to vote for in the primaries. And it's not that it's not allowed, it's just that it's divisive.

Just seems like kicking a dead horse, really. And often the point of such threads is to inflame. Hence, I will argue them.

[mtnsnake]

68. Let's face it. It was "dredged up for no really good reason" only because

it was about Kerry. The absolute countless threads that are dredged up about Hillary's old news NEVER come into question. Funny about that. Instead, they're welcomed with open arms. The selective criticism on this forum is so obvious it's hilarious. My thread would never have been locked if it was "dredging" up old news about Hillary, but since it was about everyone's favorite son the alert button was getting hit so much it set off the Richter scale in CA.

I'm not at all trying to get on your case, btw, LittleClarkie, just generalizing.

[wisteria]

45. yeah, I have been noticing these things myself. n/t

[zulchzulu]

50. I don't care at this point about Kerry bashers...

He's not running for President in 2008. Done. Over.

I do, however, defend him and his record and am finishing up a project regarding him and the 2004 election. People can see who he is behind the scenes (from my vantage point) and make their own judgement, hopefully with a clear head and an open mind.

People who call themselves Democrats can trash him all they want. Their intolerance, ignorance and childishness is duly noted.

[DemBones DemBones]

54. You're kidding, right? nt

[TankLV]

57. He's NOT RUNNING. He's YESTERDAY'S new.

Next!

Waiter - check please!...

[LittleClarkie]

59. Exactly the point

Why would it then matter whether or not he might have approached McCain as his running mate? Why even discuss such things at this late date at all? That's what the OP is wondering. You'd think he was still running.

But he's not yesterday's news if he's still a Senator with a job to do, I'd say.

[mtnsnake]

63. Looks like your cute little ploy is starting to backfire on you, ProSense.

Some late arrivals are taking your post at face value, not realizing you're only mocking my fine thread from afar. :smoke:

[proud patriot]

75. I'm locking this thread

Kerry is not running.

proud patriot Moderator
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