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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 01:09 AM
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Dean Supporter Could Get Excited about Kerry/Clark Ticket.
For what it's worth. And I'm someone who was ready to go on strike just yesterday if the Dems went "centrist." This could be an interesting ticket, combining the insider/outsider energy of the primary season. You'd have Kerry's IWR balanced by Clark's aggressive criticism of the war--and I saw that criticism with my own eyes before the war, contrary to what a lot of anti-Clark people have claimed.

I could get excited. A lot more excited by this idea than a Kerry/Edwards ticket, in which you would have regional balance but not much else. Having two Senators--two IWR-voting Senators--on the ticket doesn't send me.
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ProudToBeLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 01:13 AM
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1. I would ather have a dean/clark or clark/dean ticket
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 01:16 AM
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4. Me too, absolutely.
But it's looking like Kerry at the top. It isn't going to be Kerry/Dean. I could get turned on by having one outsider on the ticket, epsecially if he keeps throwing well-aimed spears at the heart of the Bush war policy.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 01:23 AM
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6. Stranger bedfellows have happened
Gore/Lieberman
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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 01:15 AM
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2. I agree
Edited on Wed Feb-11-04 01:15 AM by Dookus
it's a mighty powerful ticket. Two war heros against the chickenhawk twins. Kerry with his vast experience in domestic matters and Clark's vast experience with foreign affairs, Kerry's "insider" status and Clark's "outsider", a northerner and a southerner... all point to a great electoral pairing.
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XanaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 01:16 AM
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3. That would work.
Eom.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 01:22 AM
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5. That's actually a ticket I would want
My only concern would be that I have not been impressed with Clark as a debater, but I really think Cheney is not going to be around much longer and if Bush picks Rudy or McCain to run with Clark would be a great match.

Given the vice president's role with the senate, he would be a great buffer against some of the moronic policy cropping up but I'm not terribly comfortable with his stand on trade and outsourcing(though I DO support trade and am wholeheartedly behind outsourcing America's CEO's).

It also wouldn't fare well for those of us that would like to see the School of the America's (or whatever their name is lately) shut down.

My main concern is getting us out of Iraq while cleaning up the mess we made of the place and having COMPETENT leaders in place to accomplish that. I think a Kerry/Clark ticket would accomplish that in a competent manner. It's time to get our relationship with the UN back on track.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 01:31 AM
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7. No ticket is perfect, of course.
You raise legitimate concerns. How would Clark get along in the Senate? Would his lack of legislative experience actually be an issue? It might. On the other hand, what does the president of the Senate actually do except gavel in and out and vote on rare days when his presence is vital. If Quayle could handle it, anybody can.

As for debating, he may be more deadly one on one than he was in the middle of a crowd. He needs practice, I suppose. On the other hand, perhaps all he needs is permission to do what he will. He's a smart guy. Extremely smart. He can figure it out.

Clark's foreign policy experience should be used in some capacity. I get the sense that he's known and respected abroad. He should not be tucked into a ceremonial role. He's an asset.
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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 02:14 AM
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12. Clark was actually on the debate team at West Point
Edited on Wed Feb-11-04 02:14 AM by Dookus
I think he'd shine in a REAL debate, not a 9-way forum.
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 01:31 AM
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8. Kerry/Clark would be unbeatable . . .
like it or not, military service is greatly valued by a great many voters . . . particularly voters to the right of where most of us are, just the ones we need to attract in this election . . . a Kerry/Clark ticket will constantly remind voters of one indisputable fact: when it came to combat service, our guys went, and theirs didn't . . .
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countmyvote4real Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 02:08 AM
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11. "Our guys went. Theirs didn't." Thank you 4 that, OneBlueSky
I just wanted to bring your point to the headline. Hope you don't mind.
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Anwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 01:37 AM
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9. I could get way more excited about Dean/Clark ticket
of course :)
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 02:18 AM
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13. I *would* get excited about that ticket, instantly.
But I could get excited if Clark were on the ticket if Kerry had to be at the top.
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 02:03 AM
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10. Kerry/Clark is a good ticket, solid and highly electable
I like Edwards, but the idea of two senators on one ticket just doesn't work for me.
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eileen_d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 02:40 AM
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14. I agree - not for the same reasons exactly
But if the goal of the VP is to have "southern appeal" I think Clark would do just as well, if not better, than Edwards. IMHO Clark should definitely get *something* in the next Democratic administration (which as we all know will begin next January ;) )

However, I am a little fuzzy on what exactly the VP "duties" are - so I need to inform myself (feel free to reply if you have a good answer)
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RafterMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 03:18 AM
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15. VP duties
Are whatever the President says they are.

Really -- ranging from Dan Quayle (win Indiana and shut up) to Dick Cheney (run the country).

The President of the Senate bit is largely ceremonial -- not like the Speaker of the House -- and if Kerry doesn't already know how to work with Congress, he shouldn't be running. All Clark would have to do in that function would be to cast the winning vote in case of a tie.

There's been much talk that Kerry and Clark have had a good relationship in the past, so maybe he'd get some solid input.

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