Why did Hillary Clinton vote against Kerry-Feingold?

[ProSense]

Clinton: Iraq war Bush's responsibility

By MIKE GLOVER, Associated Press Writer 1 hour, 57 minutes ago

DAVENPORT, Iowa - Hillary Rodham Clinton said Sunday that President Bush has made a mess of Iraq and it is his responsibility to "extricate" the United States from the situation before he leaves office.

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Clinton does not support cutting funding for American troops, but does favor that step for Iraqi forces if the Baghdad government fails to meet certain conditions.

Clinton defended the role that Congress has played, saying newly empowered Democrats are beginning to build pressure on Bush to act, but the public needs to be patient.

"We are at the beginning of a process," Clinton said. "It's a frustrating process, our system is sometimes frustrating."

In making the case for her candidacy, Clinton cites her years as first lady, when Bill Clinton was president for two terms, and two winning campaigns for the Senate.

"I believe that my qualification and my life experience equip me to hit the ground running in January of 2009," Clinton said. "I have a unique perspective having been in the White House for eight years and understanding the challenge that comes from trying to govern our great country."

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What is her plan? Does she support setting a deadline to get the troops out in a year?

[ray of light]

1. Is this a riddle?

Sort of like, why did the chicken cross the road?

[Jackpine Radical]

3. Or "Why did the Hillary turn down matching funds?" (nt)

[wisteria]

2. Yes, why not? Inquiring minds want to know. n/t

[mtnsnake]

4. Are you upset that she said "Bush has made a mess of Iraq"?

What's your point?

[ProSense]

5. Point: Why did Hillary Clinton vote against Kerry-Feingold? n/t

[mtnsnake]

9. A question isn't "your point". Nice try. nt

[ProSense]

10. So did you confuse my question with a point? n/t

[Firespirit]

21. The point: Hillary must've had some reason. We want to know.

She must have had some reason to vote against the strongest resolution that had been introduced to date. The situation in Iraq was not so different then than it is now. I think she owes voters an explanation for her vote. It is far more recent (and RELEVANT) than IWR.

We have questions about whether Hillary -- a person who seeks to be the president of the United States during a disastrous foreign civil war that we're embroiled in -- is, in fact, sincere with any anti-war rhetoric that she uses. THAT is the point.

[TayTay]

6. No, upset because she is waffling while people die.

Just a pet peeve of mine. It happens.

[mtnsnake]

27. Thank you for answering. nt

[ProSense]

30. Mine too! n/t

[MannyGoldstein]

7. Stop Questioning Mrs. Clinton

It takes a resolute and principled person to wait until the polling results are absolutely clear, especially when our troops are getting slaughtered for no good reason in a war that was ill-conceived and poorly executed.

She's in - and she's in to win - and your not helpin' any.

[wisteria]

17. LOL! Good observations. n/t

[whometense]

18. heh heh.

Good one. :D

[IndianaGreen]

26. Hillary did wait until the polls showed 60% of Americans wanted out of Iraq

Now she will wait until the polls show that 90% of Americans want out of Iraq before she endorses any resolution similar to Kerry/Feingold.

Like Hillary said, she's out to get mean and evil men, and she means to win!

[twylatharp]

8. not enough, although I really like HC.

I don't think things would change much.

[rodeodance]

31. she is looking to a broader vision for the Dem party---the war is a

priority, one of many.

[tuvor]

11. Clinton: U.S. out of Iraq by January '09

Hillary Rodham Clinton said Sunday that President Bush should withdraw all U.S. troops from Iraq before he leaves office, asserting it would be "the height of irresponsibility" to pass the war along to the next commander in chief.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070128/ap_on_el_pr/clinton2008

[ProSense]

12. Classic.

After two years of relative silence, Clinton wants Bush to pull the troops out not to save lives, but so that the war doesn't become someone else's burden.

How about pulling them out before 2009? That would actually save a lot of lives.

[beachmom]

16. It's classic in another way:

Bush is too irresponsible to get the troops out before the next president.

Senator Clinton (that's right, she's a senator NOW) calls Bush irresponsible while she ... passes the buck back to Bush, and resignedly says there's nothing she can do.

Iraq is the hot potato, and Bush and Hillary Clinton keep tossing it back and forth. Meanwhile, our troops are getting burned.

Bush: You give me a plan

Clinton: No, YOU give me a plan

Bush: No, if you think you're so great, YOU bring a plan

Clinton: No YOU!!


John Kerry 1971: Where is the leadership? Where are our leaders?

Obviously, there are none in the White House now, nor for the future of our White House.

[ProSense]

19. Exactly! n/t

[whometense]

20. Brilliant.

And incisive. Exactly. Playing politics with peoples' lives. That's what I look for in a leader. (:sarcasm:, in case that wasn't clear.)

[MH1]

13. So - stay in Iraq for 2 more years? That's her position? n/t

[welshTerrier2]

14. "the height of irresponsibility"

the height of irresponsibility would be for the Congress to fail to do all it could to stop the madman's continuation of the war ... arguing that the entire responsibility to stop the war rests with bush is an abdication of Congressional responsibility ... does anyone actually believe bush will stop the war voluntarily before he leaves office?

we didn't elect Democrats to have them leave the ending of the war up to bush ... that's exactly how we got into this war in the first place ...

from the IWR:

SEC. 3. AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.

(a) AUTHORIZATION- The President is authorized to use the Armed Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and appropriate

NOTHING should be left up to bush regarding this war. It is time to stop him with every avenue at our disposal. We need to stop him NOW; not by January, 2009! that's two more years of this insanity. that could mean another 1,500 dead troops or more and perhaps as many as another 10,000 or more serious injuries.

[bonito]

15. kick

[paulk]

22. maybe she disagreed with it,

along with the 86 other Senators who voted against it?

[Mass]

23. Because that meant doing something!

You can call Bush to clean his mess.

Actually leading by proposing something, be it this, the Kucinich proposition, the Waters proposition, ... is not something that a Senator should do, or even the Biden resolution about partitionning Iraq (that I do not like personally). They should sit and continue to offer non-binding resolutions, and hope Bush will agree.

:sarcasm:

[AtomicKitten]

24. Because she voted for Levin-Reid.

Amendments went down in flames, neither of which had a snowball's chance of passing and all knew that from the get-go, so I wonder why you post this. (Oh wait. Team Kerry has devoted all their attention to annihilating HRC since the object of their affection is no longer in the running.)

Moot point. Next.

[PresidentObama]

25. I don't want to annihilate Hillary....

And I guess I would be considered part of Team Kerry.

O8)

[Firespirit]

28. You sure about that?

I thought that "Kerry Supporters Against Hillary" was an illusion?

Oh, right, that was the OTHER Kerry detractor.

[ProSense]

29. Why is it moot?

Does she plan on supporting a timetable? Is the war over?

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[snowbear]

33. Yet the media say she's "unstoppable"...

Because they so desperately want her in.

As do Republicans.

I agree 100% percent with this statement you made:

NOW she wants to pretend she was trying to stop Bush from going to war.

She's had AMPLE time to speak out, and only does so when she jumps into the race?

She's been dead SILENT.

And some Democrats don't care about that????


I'm just happy that it's only "some" Democrats that don't care.

[AtomicKitten]

34. How's your campaign to tank Hillary going?

It is common knowledge that vows were made in the Kerry forum to make sure she doesn't get the nod. Just wondering how that is going as I see your demolition team out in full force today.

It takes some hypocritical pair for folks to complain about the discussion of JK here in light of the avowed 24/7 campaign to trash-talk Hillary (and Obama too) here at DU.

[mtnsnake]

35. It must be working in reverse. Hillary's doing better than ever

Maybe she'll thank the Kerryite sore losers for bringing her such good luck lately.

[AtomicKitten]

36. word

Success is the sweetest revenge.

[ProSense]

37. Here's an interesting

quote from Bill Clinton.

[k_jerome]

38. please post more attacks on Clinton...

i would like to see a little bump in her polling numbers before next week.