I don't know how many of you were born prior to the Vietnam era!!!!

[oldtimecanuk]

I just find it so hard to believe that we find ourselves right back there, and then some.... This is just F***** amazing to me that this is happening, even after 6 years of this Administration.... Please, please, Please lets get rid of this shit once and for all and "Live in peace". Why the hell do we have to fight anyway? There is absolutely no logic to wadging wars.... none, none, none..... Lets get to a time of peace on earth already... I know that the American people, and the rest of the world is ready for peace.....

ww

[JohnnyLib2]

1. Yeah, when Jane Fonda brings her grandchildren--

you feel like a rat in a maze.

I've always been surrounded by people, including RVN vets, who look back at Viet Nam as a horrible mistake. Now I've had to wise up: a lot of people, some named Bush and Cheney, looked at it as a cash cow. The struggle goes on and on.



:hippie: :grr:

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

2. I was.

I cannot believe the same stupid shit is happening twice in 54 years.

[jwirr]

14. My grandson reminded me the other day that we did not do so

well in Korea either. 3 in my lifetime. Talk about not learning anything from history. Do we still teach history?

[illinoisprogressive]

3. It's a war of the vietnamers. They are taking out their unresolved issues here

the guys who feel guilty or like they need to feel manly are the loudest warhawks. They still use the language of the era like hippies and commies and pinkos. The liberal media charge came from Agnew.
they have unresolved issues and use the young people in the military to live vicariously thru and do alot of big talk but, they were the deferment guys in the 60s. they are the ones so quick to smear dems as chicken when they know damn well that there are 5 times more vets in the democratic party. Very few in the gop. They have to cover for their using guys back then to fight for them just like now.

[nevergiveup]

4. It is totally astonishing

and to have Vietnam Vet John McCain leading the charge is mind boggling.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

6. John McCain...

Would lead a charge into a sewage treatment plant if he thought it would get him elected. Mark my words: He spent his time in the Hanoi Hilton, and afterwards, believing that his horrible experience would be recompensed by getting him elected President. It's become something of an obsession and he is willing to do anything to achieve it.

All one needs to do is pay attention to how often his story changes, in both little and big ways.

[JohnnyLib2]

7. Isn't it though? I try to understand him as a man.

Best I can come up with is that his political ambitions let him make up with the Bushites after he was smeared in the primary in South Carolina years ago. Sold his soul, lost his direction, maybe was emasculated? Strange story there.

[oldtimecanuk]

8. I can't believe that mcCain is where he is...

After being a Vietnam war vet and having spent time as POW it so behoves me that McCain is in the position that he is..... This just does'nt make any sense to me.... Can someone please shed some light on why the hell he would be sucking up to GWB?

ww

[oldtimecanuk]

5. This is so Depressing...

And I feel so sorry for the family of our young and brave men and women in uniform...... Most of these people, are reserve as I understand it and certainly never choose to be their. The worst is when they go get back, if they get back (and not in a box) is the treatment that they receive for wounds, PTSD, and various other shit that is just beyond beliefe..... God bless these poor souls and their families... Something has to be done, and done now to stop this shit and get across to the elected officials... ie: Democratic and Republican that this has to end... NOW, NOW, NOW....

ww

[SharonAnn]

9. I think it's those who avoided Vietnam, trying to be "macho" men. They

have no clue.

Those of us who believed the government back then, lost relatives and close friends, and then found out that our government lied to us, will never forget and will never approve giving unchecked authority to ANY president to go to war. Not a Republican president, not a Democratic president, not an Independent president. None! Not ever!

Unfortunately, those older than I and younger than I were gung-ho supporters of this war.

[frogcycle]

21. i have to admit i was

not gung-ho, but a grudging supporter of the authorization. Based on the phoney evidence, which I only believed when Colin Powell bought in to it (damn him!) because I thought he was skeptical and had done due diligence before accepting the case, I felt it was necessary to enable the administration to "take appropriate action" when other means had been tested and had failed.

THAT, by the way, was the authorization. Many of the votes were done in good faith by responsible people who were not happy about it but were actually trying to do the right thing. The much-touted "he'll give biological, chemical, AND nuclear weapons to al-queda" was pretty compelling, coming soon after 9/11 and the anthrax attack.


All the people savaging Clinton, Edwards, et al should stop and think exactly what were the circumstances at the time. Sure, Al Gore saw through it, and was RIGHT, as were others. that's why we need him. He has the critical thinking skills and international experience to be RIGHT! The others meant well, acted in good conscience. They weren't warmongering; they were fooled. Maybe i tend to cut them some slack because I was fooled. They, after all, had a greateer responsibility and presumably access to information than I did, so I guess I could say they should have known better. Powell was the "tipping point" for me, and I think for others as well (damn him).

With all the evil done by bush and cheney et al, I am madder, if that is possible, at Powell, because he was not one of them, drank the koolaid, has made clear he now knows better, but won't come out and condemn them. He should be LEADING the charge to fix this, if he had any conscience.

[calimary]

10. Welcome to DU!

It's a whole lot of deja vu to me, too. And it IS stunning to see that so many of us haven't learned much from Vietnam. Otherwise, we wouldn't have lost our way yet again with another war. I don't know. Maybe a lot of people felt it was different this time because it was sand instead of jungle. Go figure...

Oh yeah - almost forgot - and don't you just love the fact that the dreaded henry kissinger has reared his ugly head again, HERE, lo these many years later?

[JohnnyLib2]

11. Indeed. I think maybe KKKarl Rove is Henry's bastard son.

Makes as much sense as anything else, deja vu wise.

[oldtimecanuk]

12. henry kissinger, who the hell is this guy that he has so much...

Inflence over DIMSON? I honestly don't know that he does, but whatever GWB does, seems alright with henry kissinger. Again, this war and all war's have to come to an end.... "NOW".... This is absolute bull shit that we can't negotiate in this day and age.... I am looking forward to the next Anti war rally and I am certainly going to do my best to be in attendance.

ww

[AdHocSolver]

18. Wasn't Henry Kissenger the model for Dr. Strangelove in the movie of the same name?

[calimary]

19. I don't know about that (although it certainly stands to reason), but I do know

this:

Welcome to DU!


:D

[oldtimecanuk]

13. Thank you Calimary for the welcome...eom...

[frogcycle]

15. roger that!

I've got a copy of WAR! to share with you if you'd like it!

- another old fart

[kineneb]

16. que that tune up

Vietnam- seemed like it was the background of my entire childhood...and it didn't end until I was in high school...

add in the Fish tune while you are at it... "and its one, two, three..."

[frogcycle]

20. sent you a link - enjoy!

[AdHocSolver]

17. The logic in war is...profit.

This was true for Vietnam, Korea, WWII, and WWI, among others. And those who profit the most sacrifice the least.