CLARK supporters and well-wishers only (thread #3)

[Skinner]

This is the official thread for Clark supporters and well-wishers to discuss his performance in the Maine caucus, free of disruption.

If you are not a Clark supporter or a well-wisher, please do not post in this thread. The purpose of this thread is for disruption-free discussion among Clark supporters. Any negative posts by opponents will be deleted by the moderators. We will open up separate threads where supporters of the other candidates can interact without disruption from opponents.

[Mattforclark]

1. Go Clark

[LTR]

2. He's staying in

until he says otherwise.

[Sharpton American]

83. But...

I thought CNN said he dropped out?? I sure hope he didnt.

[WilliamPitt]

3. I haven't heard him say he's out yet

Clark supporters should turn off the TV, push back from the computers, take a deep breath, and be very proud of yourselves for your dedication and hope. You're patriots, and the sun will rise tomorrow to reveal what it will reveal. We'll be here for you.

[LTR]

4. Yeah, I switched it to Showtime

Some movie about Reagan getting shot, and Al Haig going schizo.

I've seen it before, and highly recommend it.

[Renew Deal]

5. The Daily show rocks.

[Sharpton American]

84. Hee-hee

Yah Clark loves his snackfood.

[For PaisAn]

10. Switched to watching Westminster Dog Show

I love dogs. Dogs can be trusted.

Oh, and I'm not giving up on Clark.

[Jerseycoa]

6. Thanks, Will

You always know what to say. :)

[Jack_Dawson]

7. Why haven't I watched C-SPAN all along?

I was so frustrated with Jeff Gangrene's CNN commentary, "Clark sucks, he should drop out" talking over Gert and then I thought...maybe I'll try C-SPAN?

And C-SPAN SHOWED THE WHOLE THING w/o the stupid PUNDITS. I can't believe I haven't been watching it the whole time.

[Catherine Vincent]

8. CNN is reporting that he abandons his campaign.

What does that mean?

[ewagner]

9. For a while

some of the old idealism I used to feel as a kid was coming back.

The more I saw Clark, the more I believed what some of the early supporters said:

Wes Clark will be the kind of President you were promised as a kid.

back to cynicism, I guess.............

[Crunchy Frog]

95. I never felt any idealism as a kid

I've been a hardcore cynic for as long as I can remember. Wes Clark is the only one to have ever brought out the idealism in me.

I'll get drunk, have a good cry, then it's back to cynicism for me.

[Clark Can WIN]

184. Hey Crunchy, we're in the same ugly freakin boat

I never gave a dollar before Clark
I never made calls before Clark
I never wrote letters before Clark
I never gave time before Clark

I ALWAYS voted Democratic in the GE. But never felt inspired and charged. Back to that feeling I guess.

Clark is the ONLY candidate in my lifetime that I BELIEVED in.

I haven't even seriously considered a second. This is so painfull.

[britpopper]

201. Your post sums it up...

I couldn't have said it any more accurately, this is the first candidate I've ever given money to, the only one I've ever written letters to other politicians and the only one I've plastered on my car and front yard.
It was nice to feel the way I've felt the past few months, the sense of hope and security was refreshing. After eight years of peace and prosperity being wiped away in just a short time under the chimp, I could genuinely feel the dark clouds parting for a ray of sunshine when Wesley Clark took the oath of office over this great country. It still hasn't really set in yet, and I'm still wearing my CLARK 04 T-shirt as I'm typing this, but I believe that a little something that Clark brought to this campaign will be built upon and hopefully, someday my children will reap the benefits of his vision for America, because with the Republican'ts in charge, it won't be better any time soon...
P.S. I'm still punching my ballot for the General on March 2, since he's still on my ballot here in California. It'll just make me feel better...

[Jack_Dawson]

11. AP: Wesley Clark Quits Presidential Race

on Hardball. :cry:

[funky_bug]

14. Jack - WHAT?

Associated Press? Hardball? What is going on? Is it confirmed? Rumor? Please tell all.

[Kathleen04]

17. CNN is reporting on it too

Associated Press reports that he is dropping out.

They're saying that he will drop out tomorrow in Little Rock.

[Jack_Dawson]

18. On Hardball's Ticker

F YOU AP!!!

[Jack_Dawson]

20. I would SO MUCH rather hear it from Clark than AP!!!

[Kathleen04]

25. Me too, Jack

I don't trust the media anymore.

[Jack_Dawson]

54. F the media. I've never seen a more grotesque abuse of power

But I'm glad to know someone agrees with me. :pals:

[incapsulated]

27. CNN is "confirming" it, now *eom*

[Sharpton American]

78. WHAT???

NOOOO THIS ISNT TRUE IS IT??

[genius]

171. Sorry. I would have been fine with a Clark Presidency.

I think that once a war hero got the momentum, a lot of the undecideds stopped looking around for another war hero. Perhaps he can be in the new administration and run again later. I suspect that he and Edwards were pulling from each other. If it had just been one of them, that one would have done great in Tennessee.

[BurtWorm]

12. I hope he stays in. My fingers are crossed for you all.

I know what it's like to see a Big Dream get small. It's painful. I know what you're going through. Here's some white light for Clark and his supporters.

[Clark Can WIN]

185. Thanks BurtWorm

It means so much. What a kind thing to say.:hug:

[Lex]

13. Clark is a good man.

I hope he doesn't leave politics behind. We need Clark helping steer the Democratic party. He HAS to be a major player somehow.

[Catherine Vincent]

15. Kerry/Clark 2004???

[Clark Commandor]

19. Kerry/Clark

Weird Ticket, but it may work.

[TacticalPeek]

28. Ganging up on natsec.

Depends.

[Sharpton American]

72. Clark / Sharpton ?

Clark and Sharpton would draw more votes than Kerry Clark.

[hope42mro]

158. You know, I always thought that would be real refreshing...nt

[NicRic]

190. Kick ! Dream Team !

.

[revo2004]

16. I hope Wes stays in / and I'm a Dean guy /eom

[Clark Commandor]

22. Really?

Really? I think Dean is probably finished after Wednesday. It's sad, but seriously. Kerry will probably win the south.

[incapsulated]

21. oh

fuck me will this night ever end.

:cry:

[TacticalPeek]

23. Damn!

Once more I find myself among the enlightened minority.

:(

:)

[Sharpton American]

75. Lol me too

[Gloria]

178. Tactical Peak....take solace from Albert Einstein's comment:

As Albert Einstein said: "Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds."

In this case, the media, the sheeple, etc. etc.

[abburdlen]

24. I felt disillusioned

When Dean got the Gore endoresment. I felt down when Clark slipped from a good 2nd in NH to a narrow 3rd. It's been a roller coaster since then. Polls showed we were slipping in TN but I held out that we could pull in a surpising 2nd and for a brief time I thought we had it.

The rumor mill started about Clark dropping out early this evening a I call Bullshit on it. Saw Clark on CSPAN and while he looked like it had been a rough night- he was introduced as the next POTUS so I still had hope. I didn't stay to hear the crowd walk-thru.

After going to the offical Clark site and reading tonights speech, I'm starting to accept that Clark will not be the nominee. And at this point I feel numb.

I will certainly vote against Bush in the general election but I was so looking forward to actually voting for someone. Let us remember Wes's message.
"When you can do good, you should."

[TacticalPeek]

36. So right.

[spooky3]

26. I don't know the right words to say

There are some very good and hard working people supporting Gen. Clark and I'm sorry for any pain that anything said on this board has caused you.

[incapsulated]

29. That will do just fine

Thanks a lot, spooky. :) (sigh, I wish there was a "sad smile" emoticon)

[democratreformed]

30. And there was so much of it

And it continues at this very minute.

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[Mattforclark]

32. What this campaign has thus far taught me

It has confirmed and expanded distrust of the media and shock at its irresponsibility first gained in 2000.

It has shown me how people can be manipulated by the incredible memetic power of the 24/7/365 media. The term "sheeple," if insulting, is also accurate.

Politics is a blood sport. Politicians have lots of blood.

I have learned that intelligence and wisdom do not necessarily a President make, because the electorate is not intelligent and wise.

I have seen the power of 'mo', and felt it shake the earth.

But I can't really say I am mad, or sad, because I knew this already, though not in specific terms. I am inclined to say, 'whatever.'

I don't think that there is any sort of conspiracy; sure there are some people, but most is better explained by memetics.

If the world should end, not my fault, I tried. Forward into darkness, humanity.

Apathetic and disillusioned.

Leaning Kucinich, then solidly ABB, if Clark is out by March 9th.

[Mattforclark]

42. Blishkish

I just saw the AP article... Bleh.

I am going to sleep.

[hope42mro]

162. Hi, um, r u psychic? cause u express my thoughts so eloquently

All kidding aside.

Apathetic" "Disillusioned" That describes me exactly.

You're lessons from the campaign, weren't lost on me either. It's a little heartening to know I'm not alone.

[davsand]

33. Oddly enough ONLY AP says he's out.

Oh--and the fawning Kerry syncophants on Hardball. This entire story is attibuted to a "Senior Campaign Aide..."

I want to see it on the Clark website or even a statement from the man himself... This is just not in character for him to shuffe off.

Laura

[incapsulated]

40. CNN is also

saying they have it "confirmed". He is going back to Arkansas where he will make a statement tomorrow.

[abburdlen]

47. Read the speech

he gave in TN

http://www.clark04.com/speeches/042/

:(

[goodhue]

34. Clark is a class act

Very impressed with the positive tone of his speech earlier tonight.

[WillyT]

46. Ditto, Class Act For Sure !!!

This is sad.

[thelocalkgb]

35. I'm just so sad

I have admired Wesley Clark for a very long time, long before he was even in this race. To me, even if he was a Republican, I would still admire him. Back in Feb 2003, when the field was shaping up none of the candidates appealed to me as much as Wes Clark. I mean I thought they would all be great Presidents, but none of them inspired me. I kept wishing and waiting and hoping for Wes Clark to announce his candidacy. When he did, I remember I was walking on campus with my cell phone to my ear. My mom held the phone on the other end to the radio and I listened to him announce his candidacy. I was so happy, so inspired, so hopeful. I honestly thought that Wesley Clark could be the best president we've ever seen. I've just never felt this way about a candidate before, and I think it is because he WAS an outsider. He didn't talk like a politician, he didn't walk like a politican. He was just so.. genuine. *sigh*

[BootinUp]

37. Fellow Clark Supporters

I am obviously a bit shaken right now. I really felt Clark was the one. The one who could make a difference. I will probably not be following the race much for a while. I will drop back in every now and then to cheer on the Democrats, because we must beat Bush. But I am very upset at the process right now. And will protest the primaries.

Good Luck and Thank You to Wes Clark and his Family and all his Supporters.

:toast:

[funky_bug]

45. Keep in touch, friend

We'll all need some time, and yes, our fire was put out tonight.

I feel your disillusionment. I definitely feel your pain.

[KC21304]

38. Wes Clark would be a great President, that is why

I would love him to be VP with John Kerry. Sorry it didn't work out for his great supporters.

[RedEarth]

39. Damn......this makes me sick

Clark is such as asset to our party and our country there needs to be some way he can still be a part of this election......VP, Sec. of State, Sec. of Defense........something.

[no name no slogan]

48. I wouldn't be suprised if

even if he's not on the ticket, he plays a prominent role in the next Democratic Administration. IMHO he'd make an EXCELLENT Defense Sec. or Sec. of State.

It ain't over yet......

[renegade000]

59. i'm disappointed as well

i had spent the last few days working hard in virginia for the clark campaign, but it was a satisfying experience even though his campaign is over...

and i also agree, clark would make an excellent secretary of defense.

the dream administration:
president: kerry
vice president: edwards
secretary of defense: clark
--feel free to add more suggestions

[Sharpton American]

Arrggh

Im so upset man, I was hoping Clark would win so he would nominate Sharpton to be something.

[funky_bug]

41. I am so angry at some of the Edwards people on their thread

They are tripping all over themselves with glee right now.

Jeez... lesser of two evils now. Sheesh.

[incapsulated]

51. You're turning into a masochist

Why would you hang out there on a night like this?

Stay with family. :grouphug:

[funky_bug]

52. I know, I know

I just had to see for myself. The gloating made my stomach cramp. I'm taking your hug, returning it to you, and then hitting the sack.

Love you guys.

[incapsulated]

58. Yeah, I'm passing out soon too

It's been an exhausting night, that's for sure.

[democratreformed]

53. I wanted to post an ugly congratulatory thread

But I decided not to lower myself to their level.

[WillyT]

61. Yeah Wife, There Are A Few Without An Ounce Of Class Over There !!!

But, the Karma gods will be making a visit there soon enough. Edwards only way now is Kerry giving him the VP slot. But even that's not a given.

Your guy ran a good race, and was a gentleman throughout.

A few here could take a lesson, ya know???

:hi:

[Crunchy Frog]

116. Well, I know who

I'm not going to be supporting. I really kind of liked Edwards until some of his supporters started behaving that way. For the most part I havn't seen the same sort of behavior from Kerry supporters.

I think Kucinich is the only one that I will donate to until after the primary is over. I never thought I would see myself saying that.

[adamrsilva]

43. Clark was a great candidate

I really liked him, though I support(ed) Dean.

Maybe he will be VP or have a place in the next administration.

[democratreformed]

44. NOW, he get media attention.

I'm bawling like a baby.

[MidwestMomma]

110. I know, it's like salt in the wound

Me crying too...:cry:

[thelocalkgb]

49. Can we still have Clark supporters and well-wishers only threads?

On other election nights? eom

[elcondor]

50. I feel like the wind has been knocked out of me

Clark was the first presidential candidate I supported that I could actually vote for . . . I never the chance as a Super Tuesday state . . . I don't know where to go from here.

On the bright side, this has been a great couple of months getting to know everyone! I'm off to have a good cry now.

[incapsulated]

55. You can *still* vote for him

I'm damn sure going to.

[ScreamingMeemie]

56. I am really saddened to hear this Clark Supporters.

Hugs and tears, Laura

[tishaLA]

82. Thanks Laura

we have lots of tears tonight. They will start again tomorrow when he makes the official announcement.

[eleny]

57. If not my president then Secy of Defense!

I'm a Clark supporter and know he'll work hard for the Dem candidate. He's our tremendous asset and I refuse to feel terribly let down. No matter what, Bush is toast.

[scheming daemons]

64. Time for Kerry to name Clark as Rumsfeld's replacement....

[eleny]

70. I just heard he can't be Secy Defense

because of some law that says a person has to be out of the military for 10 years before they can be S of D. So, my second choice was Secy of State. He would be fantastic. I want him to keep on campaigning heavy for the Party.

[progressivebydesign]

89. Sec. of State.. that would work! N/T

[scheming daemons]

90. How about Sec of State then?

[tishaLA]

60. I've never cried for a candidate before

and I am have been for the last hour. I hate this.

[Tom Rinaldo]

65. The tears bear witness to the truth

of what we have all felt. Don't fight them, and don't feel foolish. Thank God someone was able to make me feel this way about my country again.

[MidwestMomma]

133. Tom you have been such an elegant spokesperson for Clark

I thank you for all your words. Thanks for your passion.

[PatGund]

62. not over til it's over

Until I hear it right from the horse's mouth, and not the whore media that's been trying to predict this since 2 days after Clark got into the race, I'll still support him.

And if he does. Well, I still my cast my vote in California for Clark. Or Dean if he's still in. Or hold my nose and vote for Kerry. But I will NOT cast a vote for Edwards unless that lying scumbag actually wins the nomination. Edward's lies and his supporters have turned me off forever from that sorry sack of lying shit.

But until I see it from Clark himself, and not the lying whores at CNN, MSNBC, or Faux, I still plan to vote for Clark on March 2nd.

As for the DNC.....well, you've shown how little you care about the voters. Here's hoping that groundswell that Clark and Dean has started creates a tidal wave that sweeps the "business as usual" pink tutu democrats out, and replaces them with solid, caring Democrats that actually care for the people, and not the contributor of the month.

[ClarkUeberAlles]

119. I'm with you PatGund

I'm voting for Clark on March 2nd regardless of anything else. I was so looking forward to casting my vote for him and I'm going to do it by God! I will vote for Kerry in November but unlike Clark, Kerry won't get one penny from me and I will be voting against Bush and not for Kerry.

[AnnitaR]

63. I can't quit crying.

I knew it would be hard if it happened... but I had no idea it would be this hard.

This is so hard. Plus I am at work now, which makes it even tougher.

My heart is so full of sadness right now.

[Jack_Dawson]

73. Annita - where do you work this time of night?

[AnnitaR]

98. Hey Jack... I work 11pm-7am

a Homehealth & Hospice agency. I'm an On-Call Coordinator. Answer calls from our patients who need to get in touch with our on-call nurses. We have around 100 offices in TN & FL.

[NoPasaran]

66. Say it ain't so

Clark is a real class act and his supporters are some of the nicest folks on DU.

[Leilani]

79. Thanks

He entered the race with class

He ran his campaign with class

He will exit with class

He is a true Officer & Gentleman!

[Auntie Bush]

129. You can say that again!

He's the BEST!
I always thought he would go down in history as the best president we ever had. I can't believe the sheeple let him get away. He was the best thing that ever happened to the Dem. party.
I can't stop crying!

[Kool Kitty]

67. I feel like someone punched me in the stomach.

And then they went and broke my heart. Dammit, dammit, dammit...:cry:

[Crunchy Frog]

132. I feel

like someones ripped my heart out of my chest.:cry: :cry: :cry:

[britpopper]

202. Damn this hurts...

I feel like my heart has been ripped out and trampled on by the Republican'ts...the man they feared the most is now out. Wesley Clark was the man who could take down the chimp and now my hope for the future in this country has gotten bleak yet again. I will support the Dem nominee in November, but not at all with the same energy and fervor I felt for the General. No matter what, Wes, we are proud of you and we will battle on...

[dawn]

68. I am sad that Clark dropped out.

And I'm an Edwards supporter.

Clark is a good man. He has a bright future in politics. His supporters are some of the most determined volunteers I've ever met.

:(

[Kanary]

69. For all of you, tonight

Most of us, at one time or another, have been where you are right now, and fully understand and empathize with the sadness you are feeling. There's tears in my eyes, also, for all the work you have so selflessly given, and your joy in working for a candidate you believe in. You've run a good race!

Will's right... take some time for yourselves, and we'll be here for you.

Hugs all around....

Kanary

[incapsulated]

76. Thanks Kanary

Back atcha. :hug:

[David Zephyr]

71. Clark Supporters, You Know I Think You Are Spectacular!

Hold your heads high. I am really, really bummed right now about this and I can only imagine how you feel.

I have grown to respect this man so very much. His intelligence, his sense of fairness, his fearless ability to speak the truth and hold his ground.

You Clark supporters have been nothing less than first class and top drawer.

I have nothing, but the highest praise for all of you!

Honoring General Wesley Clark tonight with emotion, love and respect!

David Zephyr salutes all of you!!!!

:loveya: :yourock:

[incapsulated]

81. Thank you, David

You rock, too! :hug:

[tishaLA]

86. Thanks David

that's very kind.

[Justitia]

74. I'm so sorry

I'm a Dean supporter, and I'm so sorry about this!

I am so disgusted that the DNC / DLC / media has steamrollered one of the good guys!

I know this must feel like a punch in the gut.

Just want you to know that not *all* the campaigns are happy about this!

Once again, I'm so sorry to see another good guy get the shaft in this sham of a primary.

Take some time off from this freakin' circus, fellow grassroots cousins....:hug:

[incapsulated]

85. Thanks, Lady Texan

Tell Dean to go give them hell! :hug:

[VolcanoJen]

77. Everyone... well, I'm just destroyed over this.

:-( :-( :-(

I'm incredibly saddened that my candidate, Wesley Clark, will be dropping out of the race, before I've even had a chance to vote for the person who won my vote this primary season.

Arrrghh... Ohio really, really needs to consider moving our Primary Date up. Again.

Well, I've seen the writing on the wall for awhile now, but I've stuck with the fella who brough me here. From here on out, I'm going with my second choice, John Edwards. It doesn't look good for my new candidate, but I'm with him. And I'd adore to see him on the ticket.

Wes Clark as Sec of Defense or State wouldn't hurt, either...

Sad, but energized by the new breed of Fightin' Democrats (thanks from the bottom of my heart for your Party Leadership, Howard Dean!!),
Jennifer

[DeepModem Mom]

80. A sad night for this Clark volunteer/contributor --

just wanted to add a wish for comfort, and hope, to all here.

[progressivebydesign]

87. I'm so sorry to hear Clark is dropping out.

When I heard the news, I had to come here immediately to post my support for the Clark supporters. I know there are lots of tears tonight, and I'm sorry for that. As a Dean supporter, I found the bonding of the Clark and Dean people here to be very comforting.

I am truly surprised that Clark didn't make it. He was the one candidate I fretted about the most when I thought of who Dean might face in the primaries. I'll never know how or why things are turning out the way they are this election.. but know that I'm thinking about all of you.. and how hard you worked, and how much you hoped.

Now.. go have a beer or a hot chocolate... and take a deep breath.

:grouphug:

[flaminbats]

168. Clark's best campaign theme was volunteerism...

and as any person who worked on uphill campaigns will tell you, the best campaigns are motivated by ideals and individuals who spend hours of their valuable time doing priceless campaign work for free! Kerry must always remember that for every volunteer stuffing another envelope..there is a vision for a better future, and for every dollar contributed by a wealthy donor..there is a voter being won over by the idealism of young, passionate volunteers.

This may not be skull and bones stuff, but it is the heart and soul of any successful democratic campaign. :toast:

[SadEagle]

88. Just one thing I can "say":

:hug:

Sorry, I am pretty bad w/words for cases like this one

[Avalux]

91. Goodnight everyone

Sleep well and hold your heads up high tomorrow. Remember, Clark got in this race because we asked him to do so; we believed in him. That counts for something. I'm going to try to stop crying now...goodnight. :cry:

[Lefta Dissenter]

92. I don't even know what to say now

I have never been involved in a campaign before, but I've felt so strongly about Wes Clark that I've been treating this as a full-time job in the campaign office for the past month or so. We have spent the past two days calling thousands of people to tell them about Clark's rally tomorrow night in Madison.

Instead, he'll be in Little Rock.

I have never met such a great, diverse group of people as these Clarkies. Our students, our staff, each and every volunteer... I think that the type of people attracted to Wes Clark are just the greatest people, and I'm afraid that our country will realize too late what we've missed out on.

I have no idea who I'm going to throw my support behind now. I know who it won't be, but it's harder to know who it will be, because nobody can compare to Wes Clark.

[KimInMunich]

182. Let´s not give up hope....

I fear that a man of greatness like Wes would never know a good night of sleep again if he were to be president. An incorruptible man in an environment of corruption is something for pros...and as tragically sad as I am about Wes´s showing, I realize that his supporters (which I have been since Day One) are, as I am, idealistic and believe, like Wes, in the basic goodness of mankind. It will take more than 4 years Wesley Clark to clean-up the corruptness of this nation and I´d hate to see this brave warrior for peace caught-up in the gears of hate, greed and destruction. It would make him "kaputt" - and that we DON`T want! But...Wes for Sec. of State? Cool! A better position...Wes, we need you!
Cheer-up, fellow Clarkies! There may be light at the end of the tunnel! A better one for Wesley, at any rate...

[curse10]

93. Clark is a great candidate and has great supporters

I'm sad he has left the race. I hope to see him heavily involved in the next democrat administration.

He had such great support here on DU from a lot of people whose opinions I've always respected.

[mvd]

94. I feel bad for the Clark supporters here

You should be proud of your guy and the support you showed him.

[Jack_Dawson]

99. Thanks DK supporter

I am proud and we appreciate the props.

[VolcanoJen]

101. Thanks for your sweet words, mvd!!

:grouphug:

[mvd]

104. You are both very welcome!

:grouphug:

[Jack_Dawson]

96. 3 (Three) Threads going on 4 (Four)...

Edwards: Half a thread

Kerry: Half a thread

DU is simply ahead of its time. Someone tell me to remain excited about politics, because I wasn't before 9/03. Am I really gonna have to go back to sports? God I'm depressed.

:beer:

[Blue_Roses]

139. Hang in there Jack

Clark is a good man and this is one step of politics that comes back to bite itself in the ass somewhere. I've watched a few primaries and a few elections since '80 and what hurts now will come back as a victory somewhere else.

Keep your chin up and remember that we are all in this together--no matter who the nominee is.

:hug:

[Jack_Dawson]

142. Thanks Devrc

I just can't get past the level of passion people have for General Clark compared with other candidates. Is it really for nothing?

In any case, I appreciate the perspective.

[Blue_Roses]

160. Definitely not!

"really for nothing," you've got to be kidding! Clark has made excellent strides in helping to gain the whitehouse. For example: Micheal Moore, desserter, Peter Jennings...does this ring a bell, not to mention the credibility of Clark's statements about how this country is going in the wrong direction since Bush. He has the creditials to make people listen, however, he hasn't hit the political scene until now and that's a tough road. Clark really is better than politics.

Remember, he's a soldier and if taking a hit to make a point gives us the whitehouse, then he has done his job extremely well. He has done a tremendous job towards our goal and I'm sure he isn't too far away when we need him!

[henslee]

97. Clark dropping out instead of hanging around and rotting is smart.

He will be back.

[DS1]

100. Sorry to see Clark go, on the other hand, this really opens him

up for attacking Bush on AWOL. Should he decide to go that way..

[Donkey007]

Why can't we talk Clark

Don't see any reason not to. He is still a democrat and a very respectable man.

[BootinUp]

102. Should I keep my nick for a while

or change it. What a dilemna ;) :beer:

[Jack_Dawson]

103. Keep it!

He hasn't formally announced.

[BootinUp]

107. I didn't mean tonight

But you know eventually, I guess I have to start back over at zero posts.

:beer:

[Jerseycoa]

112. I've been wanting a new moniker

A tiny bright spot. Thanks, Jim4.

[Auntie Bush]

143. I hope that if anyone changes their name ...

they will note who they were in their signature line so we will know who we are talking to.
I feel like a child again...as I go and cry myself to sleep. :cry:

[RafterMan]

120. Nah. Keep it.

[Jerseycoa]

109. I was just thinking the Clark site will be gone

Really sad.

I promise one thing here and now tonight -- I will never vote for John Edwards. I poked around just to see what they were up to. What a bunch of creeps, except for a few nice ones.

[democratreformed]

114. Did you get your video today?

Me-I will NEVER vote for JE either. God, I sure hope he doesn't end up as the VP pick. Then, what will I do?

[HoosierClarkie]

117. I will never vote for him either.

I think he is completely fake!

[Jerseycoa]

151. Not yet

Tomorrow, I guess. You might want it back now, though. Do you? I really appreciate that you sent it, demreformed.

[kurtyboy]

105. Thanks to General Clark and all of his supporters

For a great campaign. We've not seen the last of the General--

Good luck folks, as this year unfolds.

[incapsulated]

106. I'll leave with this song

It keeps going through my head. It expresses how I feel, somehow. It's Kate Bush, Cloudbusting:

I still dream of Algernon.
I wake up crying.
You're making rain,
And you're just in reach,
When you and sleep escape me.

You're like my yo-yo
That glowed in the dark.
What made it special
Made it dangerous,
So I bury it
And forget.

But every time it rains,
You're here in my head,
Like the sun coming out--
Ooh, I just know that something good is going to happen.
And I don't know when,
But just saying it could even make it happen.

On top of the world,
Looking over the edge,
You could see them coming.
You looked too small
In their big, black car,
To be a threat to the men in power.

I hid my yo-yo
In the garden.
I can't hide you
From the government.
Oh, God, Daddy--
I won't forget,

'Cause every time it rains,
You're here in my head,
Like the sun coming out--
Ooh, I just know that something good is going to happen.
And I don't know when,
But just saying it could even make it happen.

The sun's coming out.
Your son's coming out.


Goodnight, all. I still love Clark best. The car stays.

[TexasPatriot]

108. it's a sad day

i fear
i fear this will serve notice to all those heroes that might otherwise seek to lead this country - you know the ones, the ones who *should* be president rather than *want to be* president...

instead of real leaders, we get those jerkoffs who ran for student council and won... the ones who think class president is indicative of something meaningful in life...

but this is democracy. we get what we, the collective we, deserve. A great man ran for president - his challenge to the republicans helped (with Howard's) the groundwork for the democratic party's chances in the fall. Let's hope it was enough.

[flaminbats]

111. Wes Clark was a first-class candidate who made a third-rate showing...

I do not feel that this showing had to do with his agenda, which addressed the main issues on voters minds..healthcare reform, the national debt, and the catastrophic condition of our nation's security. If Al Gore had run on the agenda Clark did, he would of won by a landslide. It wasn't because of Iowa that he did poorly, I still think Clark would of done even worse had he participated in Iowa.

Clark's agenda was finely tuned to win over the votes of independents and conservative Democrats more than it was for the party's base..this is why the nominee should embrace much of this agenda for the fall. It could be argued that Clark would of been more successful running as an independent candidate for President. Although his message did not win him any primaries other than Oklahoma, it is clear that such independents and moderates are ticked at the current administration and are looking for a new outlet for such a message. The question is can we win over these people, so they are not just another swing group..but an active segment of our party's base?

Only the nominee can answer this question. Clark helped show the way, now we can follow his lead!

[cindyw]

113. Just wanted to say how much respect I have for Clark.

I really hope to see him continuing to have a part as a leader in our party. I really look forward to seeing him as a VP or as a SOD.

I have told this story before, but let me just say for the last time, thank you Wes Clark for the nights you talked me through the start of the war on CNN. That time helped me get through the pain of watching our soldiers driving across the desert to an uncertain future and a war that should never have happened.

Don't Leave for Long Clark. You are needed in this race if we are to beat Bush.

[WheresWaldo]

121. so sad to hear about Gen. Clarks decision...

I'm ABB but prefer Dean or Clark. I'm hoping that Clark is not out of the picture completely because he is very amiable and able. He is indeed a gift to the democratic party. A Dean/Clark team would be my dream come true, and I think an un-stopable force, in both the primaries and the general election.

[Joe the Revelator]

115. If there is anyone still out there

Needless to say I am in a state of shock at this point. I'm never been more disillusioned, upset, and saddened by politics and that includes Gore in '00 and campaigns that i had actually worked on as staff.But alas, life goes on, and the political train keeps moving.

What i was wondering,can someone tell me what happened with Clark and the lady who was crying during his speech. I had to drive back to my house and i missed it but i heard it mentioned.

Thanks in advance, keep the faith guys, we've formed a bond and no one can take that away from us.

[tishaLA]

On Wes's request,

his body man went over to her and took her to him. He hugged her and he thanked her. She asked him to stay in the race. He hugged her again.

[Joe the Revelator]

125. All of that was on TV during the speech? eom

[tishaLA]

147. Sorry--that was AFTER his speech

he went into the audience, but he must have seen her from the stage. I have to say, it looked to me like Wes had been crying too.

Someone also said to him, "I wish you had been in Iowa. I stood up for you" and Wes said "I wish I had been there, too. Things might be different now".

His words, his sentences, his gestures were like poetry to me.

[Jack_Dawson]

130. God Sarah that's awful

I'm so sorry. Well hey nothing's been formally announced, right? Maybe he sees all the media reports and decides to say "F off". Give it time.

[Tinoire]

118. I am sorry Clark supporters.

You guys put up a DAMN good fight and should be proud of yourselves. I'm as stunned as you are and very sorry because I know how much passion, faith and sincerity you put in this. I hope that those of you who are really young and/or felt energized for the first time won't let this discourage you too much.

Peace to all of you. Clark had some might fine Liberals behind him. To my personal Clark friends, well, same thing- I am really sorry.

[BootinUp]

123. Thanks Tinoire for the kind words

I may be discouraged but not beaten. I still aim to see #43 replaced!

cheers

[Tinoire]

155. They're heart-felt & please don't change your name!

I think it will do people a lot of good to see Clark supporters in an other than defensive stance. It took me a while to believe that so many of all these new people from out of nowhere, who came en masse, were really, true progressives. You should keep your name and be proud of it- it would do Clark honor and could help him down the road.

Cheers and, most of all, peace to you.

[bicentennial_baby]

124. I think I'll be backing your man, Tinoire

I need a few days to digest these latest events, but I've definitely got my eye on Dennis! :hi:

[Tinoire]

163. I knew we'd be on the same team one day- just was not expecting

it so soon and I am really sorry. I REALLY look forward to working with you! And thank you for being one of the ones who convinced me. Please PM me if there's anything I can do. There is a part of my that is sick over Clark's resignation. I hate to see so many hopes dashed but I REALLY admire your spirit and dedication!

It is people like you and Jim and Cally and Dookus and etc, there are tons of you, who do more to make me consider ABB than any other camp. I know some Clark supporters will go to Kerry, others to Dean, Kucinich, Edwards, Sharpton but wherever you guys go, all those camps are damn lucky. You'll only raise the discourse!

The grace which you guys are showing is... humbling, inspiring.

[Tinoire]

180. Too late to edit but

just was not expecting it so soon or this way.

You guys all take care. Please... Especially you younger ones.

[_NorCal_D_]

153. Thank you Tinoire,

it looks as though I will be calling myself a Kucinich supporter soon enough.

[Tinoire]

169. That is great news for the Progressive movement

and I look forward to working with you. Your posts have always been so astute and it's because of people like you that I know our country will be ok. It may be hard getting there but we'll be ok. I'm really selfishly happy & proud (please forgive me that this is inappropriate) that Kucinich is picking up some fine support but very sorry of the personal cost.

Grace is what you guys have. Real grace.

[Tinoire]

198. And damn.

What I mean by great news is not Clark pulling out but you backing Kucinich. Why do I not think twice before posting and make sure I am really clear? Sorry about that.

[HoosierClarkie]

122. Does anyone feel

the sooner we end our night, the sooner tomorrow will come. I guess I would like to pretend this is a nightmare. Please someone tell me this is not real. I have 8000 signatures to turn in to put him on the ballot in my state. We were supposed to have a huge party for all our hard work on Friday. His candidacy form is in the mail. OK I am losing it. :cry:

[BootinUp]

127. Take it easy

Take some deep breaths and think about what Clark would tell us to do. I am sure it would be inspiring as hell.

[tishaLA]

128. Oh Sarah!

You're making me cry MORE. Thanks for all your hard work for Wes. He brought together a fine group of people because he is one of the best.

Thanks. And thanks again.

[Auntie Bush]

149. He is not , "one of the best," He IS THE BEST!

But the people can be stupid and ill informed, or just too damn busy.

[MidwestMomma]

131. Yes should probably go to bed but then that will be the end

of our last Clark support thread and now I'm crying again. But you should be so proud of your hard work. Damn politics suck....guess that's why if you stay in it for long you have to become kind of heartless.

Thank you Wes!

[Piltdown13]

173. I know how you feel...

We can, at least, be proud of the fact that we may be one of the few campaigns to get their signatures in on time...pretty amazing, considering what a conservative state IN is!

[VolcanoJen]

174. "The sooner we end our night, the sooner tomorrow will come."

Ohh, more truthful words were never spoken on this board.

Thank you for your guts, and optimism, sarah4clark04!!!

Hang in there, girl, we'll find our candidate yet,
Jennifer :-)

:grouphug:Clark Supporters!!:grouphug:

[slinkerwink]

126. Good luck to clark supporters especially with the news.....

:-( I really hope it isn't true.

[MidwestMomma]

136. Thanks Slinkerwink

One of the good things about being a Clark supporter was getting to know some of the Dean supporters better. Hope your sad day doesn't come, but if so, hope I'm around to support you.

[tameszu]

188. Awww...thanks, Slink

I am already determined to work for the Dems this summer, though, so that is for certain one amazing thing that the General has put me up to.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

134. Although I had doubts about Clark at the beginning

he gained my respect as the campaign progressed, and I would have been fine with voting for him.

I hope that all the Clark supporters, if they cannot work for the nominee, will at least be motivated to work for Dem candidates for Congress, the Senate, and state and local offices. We all need your energy there.

But in the meantime, take a few days to mourn. Believe me, I do know what you're going through.

[democratreformed]

140. I will definitely work for the my Dem nominees in my state.

I will do what I can for our nominee probably. After I sulk and whine and generally fell sorry for myself for a few days.

[Lorien]

135. This sucks

My two favorites are Dean and Clark; but they were not the corporate choice. I guess I'll have to settle for ABB, though it sure as hell won't feel like I'm "taking my country back". :-(

[The Blue Knight]

138. From a DK supporter: Thank you General Clark.

You are a fine gentleman and a scholar. I had doubts about you at first, you erased them with your vigerous and spirited campaign. I truly wish you the best of luck and believe your time with the Democratic party is not over. I look forward to you being a cabinet member in our (whichever dem toasts bush in november) new administration!

[TacticalPeek]

137. Perseverance, after a fashion.

Razors pain you;
Rivers are damp;
Acids stain you;
And drugs cause cramp.
Guns aren't lawful;
Nooses give;
Gas smells awful;
You might as well live.

-- Dorothy Parker

[k_blagburn]

141. I Will Still Vote For Clark In My Primary

Although I may throw my support behind Edwards (my 2nd choice) My allegiance will remain with the general. If Edwards doesn't get the nomination, then come November, I will hold my nose and vote against Bush.

[Jack_Dawson]

145. Right there with ya

Why are is the vote of a New Hampshireite more important than mine?

:wtf:

[Donkey007]

150. What I have done and what we should do....

I have been bawling like a little baby for an hour now. I will keep my signiture. I will remain a Clark supporter. I think you should keep your name and feel good for what we have tried to do.

[minkyboodle]

144. well I'm sad to hear he is out if its true

I really started out against Clark. I had reservations but I must say I grew to like the man. He seemed a good, kind and intelligent candidate once he got his feet under him. Best wishes to all Clark supporters.
Scott

[TacticalPeek]

146. On CNN HN, Clark reported to say in retrospect, he should have done Iowa.

And that if he had, things might be different.

(Overheard talking to a questioner walking out from the speech.)


The old after action report. Damn, what good he could do as prez!

[_NorCal_D_]

148. Before logging off,

I would like to share my three favorite threads of this primary season:

Sources: Clark led 7th Cav to annihilation at Little Big Horn

This Deanie Asks: Could Wesley Clark Be the Dems Answer to Ronald Reagan?

Watch Clark's fox interview.

Don't give up hope everyone-- all we can do now is move forward. :)

[Jerseycoa]

154. I have searched and searched and searched

for this thread so many times.

This Deanie Asks: Could Wesley Clark Be the Dems Answer to Ronald Reagan?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=777592

I've thought of it so often and could never find it again.

Thank you for returning this treasure, NorCal. I think I can sleep now. :)

[Donkey007]

152. Jerseycoa

Keep the videa. Demreformed is my mom. Trust me we have plenty of copies of the American son.

[democratreformed]

157. Hi daughter!

So, where do we go from here?

[The Zanti Regent]

156. Thank you, General Clark.

Thank you for answering our call and coming to the aid of our country during the most dangerous hour we have ever faced.

I wish you would have stayed in the race because I couldn't wait to mark my ballot for you in California. But, it's not meant to be.

If President Kerry asks you to be his Secretary of State, I pray that you will accept and undo the damage caused by the incompetent fool who has disgraced that office.

[no name no slogan]

159. Hang in there Clark Supporters

First of all, my thoughts are with you on this day. I still don't know if it's "official" yet (I don't trust the whore-media as far as I can throw them, and I'm a big wimp), but if Gen. Clark does drop out, it will be a sad day for American politics and the Democratic Party.

Losing a campaign really really sucks, especially one you've dedicated your heart and money to. My first Democratic campaigns were in the late 80s, which were NOT very good times to be a Democrat, even in a "liberal" state like Minnesota.

But, although this battle didn't go as planned, the war's not over. You can STILL make a HUUUUUUUUUUUUGE difference: not just at the Presidential level, but at the LOCAL level, too! In fact, I'd argue it's almost more important now to focus on our state legislatures and on our US House and Senate races, and ensure we elect strong, no-apologies Democrats to congress, so that our new Democratic president can GET THE JOB DONE without having to worry about some of the knee-jerk reactionaries on the other side of the aisle.

As a lifelong pacifist, I didn't have the time of day for Wes Clark-- military men as a rule frightened me. But I've actually warmed up to General Clark over the course of these few months. I am VERY glad he's a part of this party, and I'd bet safe money that he'll be an excellent Secretary of State or Secretary of Defense. Can you imagine a General as SoD whose willing to cut some of the useless programs we still have going? Unbelieveable!!!

Best of luck to all Clark supporters in your future endeavors. And don't EVER give up the fight for our country!

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:yourock: :yourock: :yourock: :yourock: :yourock: :yourock:
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[TexasPatriot]

166. i live in texas

none of the others will make Bush have to fight for this state. With the new redistricting, fighting the local battle in Texas is a rigged affair these days. We'll be there in the fall - but we've lost a big downballot opportunity when we lost Wes.

[Norquist Nemesis]

161. Add my thanks and condolensces to Clark supporters

You guys have all been great in your support and I'm sorry to see Clark go too. I was/am dismayed to see people and the media who maligned him signing on to the Democratic Party. He has been a wonderful asset that I think every Democrat should embrace.

I, too, believe he will find a place of leadership in our party, so it's not really goodbye...but till the next time.

And as hard as it is, supporters, if anything this will in the end energize you to fight the fight even harder and not give up. Help us win in November...we can only win with you to put Bush and this administration out of office.

*sigh* (I have the felling my guy Dean will be going next.) *sigh*

[politick]

164. COngrats, Team Clark

He ran a decent campaign, and I am surprised and disappointed he bowed out.

It's really too bad his campaign never had a chance to catch fire, because if it did, I think he would have been unstoppable.

There will be a spot for him somewhere. And you should all be proud of what this man did, joining the race only in September.

Cheers! :)

[eridani]

165. In one group of caucuses in WA state

This is from my writeup of my caucus experience (I'm Kucinich all the way.) One thing that hurt his campaign is that he never came here. People tend to think that if you want their vote, you should ask them for it.

There was no regular volunteer for the Clark campaign, but I was touched that one of his supporters spoke, even though she was absolutely terrified at the prospect. She was literally shaking and almost in tears, but she did it anyway. I didn't agree with her thoughts on meeding a military 'strong leader' candidate, but I was really touched by her willingness to get up and do something she didn't like doing in support of her candidate. I met her leaving the building, and told her that Eleanor Roosevelt once said something about "You must do the thing that you fear doing," and that it was a wonderful thing for her to put down her fear of public speaking and do it anyway. She said that she was just so scared for the country that she had to do it. As messy as democracy is, ain't it wonderful?

This was the best thing that happened in our assembly of 18 caucuses.

[TexasPatriot]

167. thank you for that

not that i needed more tears... but i'll take them all the same.

[Jack_Dawson]

175. Great Story

Thanks for making me smile. God Bless Her.

[Eloriel]

170. I just wanted to say

and I posted to one of the very early threads, but I'll post it here too -- I'm very sad for Clark supporters tonight. You were ferocious in your support of him and believed in him very much.

I too think he got a raw deal in a lot of ways once the DNC/DLC push for Kerry started in earnest (and actually starting some time before that), and I resent that on your behalf. Clark was NOT my guy, and not going to BE my guy, but I guess I'm big on process: I want the process of picking our nominee to be straightforward, honest, fair, and for the people to actually choose the nominee (what a concept, eh?). I don't think it has been and Clark was on the receiving end of the DNC/DLC juggernaut too. Should't have been that way.

But even for those who reject this view, I'm still very sad for you, 'cause ya'll fought hard and were very loyal, and I can vividly imagine how you feel.

The only advice I can possible give is to allow yourselves to go ahead and mourn and grieve. There'll come a time for moving on beyond that (whatever that will mean for each individual), but that time isn't now.

In solidarity with some good folks who happened to be Clark supporters,

Eloriel

[VolcanoJen]

172. Thank you, from the bottom of my fat, bleeding heart, Eloriel!

It does hurt.

Very, very much.

Thank you for giving Clark supporters our moment to grieve. Say what you will about Clark... he did bring people to our party, and our cause. For that I love him, most of all. The people I've met... people I otherwise would have never crossed paths with. Thank You, General Clark.

And he didn't support that damned IWR. Dammit.

:-(

Solidarity, after our brief moment of grief,
Jennifer

[Gloria]

176. Clark did the right thing to get out....how many times can he give a

speech graciously praising the people he knows did NOT serve the country well when they voted for Bush's war resolution??

I hope Clark writes a great book, sets up an institue for his 100 Year Vision, and steers clear of any VP slot or active campaigning ...unless he runs for Senate or Gov. against a Republican, and can stay true to his vision.

And if, perchance, a Kerry gets in, Clark doesn't need any Sec. of State or Defense position...Clark's done it all already, and he doesn't have to take orders from a Kerry, Edwards or whoever.

Clark has integrity and it is paramount that he retains that integrity.
"He knows who he is" and he knows what the others are....

He wasn't running just against Bush...he was running against all machine politics....

[BootinUp]

177. You definitely "get it"

Cheers

[Gloria]

181. Cheers to you, Jim4Wes....

At least we can still meet here at DU after the Clark site goes down (horrible thought), although there is an alternative site or two going up soon! Will post URL's when they are up.....

I will vote for Wes one more time, as a write-in in November.....

The Democratic Party has screwed themselves by not learning a thing since the midterms in 2002. We had a window for a brief moment, but the machine blew it.....

[VolcanoJen]

179. Great post, Gloria!!

Even though Clark has nothing to prove, though, I'd still think it would be a waste of an emerging Democratic talent to not use his dedication to service. Clark would willingly serve if asked... and he'd make one helluva Secretary of State, or Defense, or UN Ambassador.

Let's not squander our talent. It's been the most amazing primary season, and I want us to exploit our abundant talent!!

:-)

Way to go, Clark Supporters. Your Heart and Dedication Gives Me Hope!!!!

[K8-EEE]

183. Hey Clark Supporters -- His Campaign Made A Difference!

And so did YOU all. I admire and respect Gen. Clark enormously. I'm sure we have not seen the last of him.

I've experienced campaigning for a candidate who doesn't end up winning but let me tell you: you never know who has been inspired along the way of this campaign trail and what seeds have been sown.

Love to all.

[Doomsayer13]

186. Thank You Wes

you ran a spirited campaign. I hope you stay with us Democrats, we need you in the party and we welcome you with open arms.

[BelleCarolinaPeridot]

187. I was very happy the day Clark announced he was coming in the race

and I am still happy today because of the way he has carried himself with dignity throughout the campaign . I had never been so happy the day that Wesley Clark announced that he was going to run for President - I was giddy with glee around the TV watching him during his speech . Hopefully he will continue with politics and keep on the fight for a better America . His words were right , his speeches powerful - I wish he would have gotten more media coverage sigh ... I am soooo sad that he is pulling out , I don't want to believe it but I guess it is so . Congrats to Wesley Clark and his family for everything they achieved .

:hugs:

[Mairead]

189. Clark dropped out? Bloody hell, you guys have my sympathy.

Your support for him is (I won't say 'was') passionate and real, and I think it was obvious to everyone why he appealed to you.

The contest is poorer for his departure, and I wish he'd stayed.

[DebJ]

191. Clark supporters have been some of the nicest and most civil that I

have seen on political boards. I know I will be devastated if my candidate were to pull out. My sincerest condolences.

[laruemtt]

192. this is truly horrible news

to wake up to. and the way DH delivered the news to me this morning i thought left a lot to be desired so i've started this day off by telling him how insensitive he was. maybe i'll just climb back under the covers..............

[edzontar]

193. Condolences and Well-Done to Gen. Clark and his supporters

This is a very tough night and morning.

I personally feel that the race will be far less inspiring and engaging with Gen. Clark out of the race.

He did our party and nation a service by bringing up his issues, and I can only hope that he shall continue to speak out and work for these issues in the upcoming months.

AOnce again: All by best wishes and a hearty well-done to the General and his supporters here on DU.

[buddhamama]

194. I'm sorry that the General is withdrawing from the race

He was a good candidate, and his presence will be missed.

a toast to General Wes Clark and all his supporters :toast:

thanks for running, and for focusing the campaign on the issues that are facing our Nation and not making this a race of personal politics.

[HFishbine]

195. Courage, Class, Cause

Clark supporters, you folks are easily the classiest on DU and should be damn proud of your efforts. Your reasons for supporting Clark were genuine and noble. I applaud all that you accomplished and I'm exremely thankful for what your efforts allowed General Clark to bring to the race.

[Logansquare]

196. My condolences, Clark supporters

The General has served his country well, and I am sure he will continue to do so in some capacity. He held Bush's feet to the fire, and for that I will be eternally grateful to him.

[Butterflies]

197. I hope he stays active in Dem politics

I voted for him in Virginia yesterday and so did a couple of my coworkers, so I was very surprised he didn't do well here. The whole primary race seems sadder without him in it. I hope he stays involved in Dem politics somehow because he's a nice man, a smart leader, and he sure has class. :cry:

[Adelante]

199. It's me, Jerseycoa, with a new name nt

[BootinUp]

200. I like your new nick!