Would you give away reproductive choice for not having to vote for an IWR candidate?

[LoZoccolo]

Say you had to pick one or the other.

[mike_c]

1. it's a false choice-- I would not vote for any candidates who posed...

...such a choice. I'm confident there will be a presidential candidate who is neither a war supporter nor opposed to reproductive rights.

[Warpy]

2. INSANE "CHOICE"

What the hell kind of a choice is that, forcing half the population in this country back into reproductive slavery in the name of ending a stupid war?

It's like being forced to choose between the noose and the firing squad.

[omega minimo]

12. beautifully said, mike_c. thank you.

:yourock:

[illinoisprogressive]

3. Sorry, but that is a little bit of a silly ??

[peace13]

4. Ask me if I would have had a child if I knew that the world

would be this screwed up. I love my son but if I were young and thinking of having a child I don't know if I could do it. peace, Kim

[welshTerrier2]

5. would you give your life or your child's life in Iraq

by voting for a war supporter?

[LoZoccolo]

6. Not my own, but my kid's, yeah.

Was that the answer you were looking for?

[welshTerrier2]

7. yes, thanks ...

it was exactly what i was looking for ...

[LoZoccolo]

13. Right but it's about as disingenuous as your question.

So 'splain to me where the situation you describe arises. I can tell you where mine comes from, plus everyone knows about it anyways, so let's see where yours comes from.

[welshTerrier2]

18. fine ... here ya go ...

it seems to me to be a perfectly fair question to ask you. implicit in your question was the premise that we should overlook something like an IWR vote (which i viewed as a vote for war) to preserve freedom of choice. first of all, one could certainly support a candidate who opposed the war AND supports freedom of choice so i don't accept the premise of the question in the first place. and even if i did, it brings me to my question:

you want to overlook support for the war to preserve freedom of choice. what about those who died or who lost a child or a parent because of that pro-war vote? what if a candidate you support votes for another bogus war or another? my question asks, if voting for a bogus war is not a critical negative against a candidate in your view, why don't you back that up and go fight the damned war? or is it just other people's lives and the lives of their families and friends and loved ones you're willing to sacrifice?

you seem to be trivializing the IWR vote. and it's much more than just that one vote. some have called the war in Iraq the worst blunder in American history. we might be looking at a much broader war in the Middle East as a result of destabilizing Iraq. we could end up with a maniac like bush using nuclear weapons. we could end up in a global oil war. the war has decimated our military. it has cost hundreds of billions and the final cost will reach well beyond a TRILLION dollars.

maybe instead of trivializing the issue and those who are so deeply concerned about it, you should recognize the damage this war has done to our own country and to the cause of or potential for world peace. you won't, of course, because you seem to take some kind of perverse pleasure from "taunting the left".

you talk about freedom of choice. it's a critical right that must be preserved. but so are the rights of the gay community and many other groups fighting for their freedoms and their lives. should we turn our backs on them to preserve other freedoms or are the rights of each and every individual worth fighting for? how should we react to political candidates who "play it safe" and won't call for equal rights for every single citizen? sewing the seeds of conflict among the many causes many of us support is nothing but divisive. you like to see yourself as the pragmatic one and those "way out there lefties" as naive and divisive. look in the mirror. your post, many of your posts, are designed to do nothing but divide the DU community.

[TorchTheWitch]

29. Well said!

Bravo!

:applause:

[MannyGoldstein]

8. Um.... Is There Some Information That You Want to Add?

What scenario is running through your mind here?

[Redneck Socialist]

9. LOL! I love you man.

:popcorn: :rofl:

PS I vote choice. :)

[noamnety]

10. In other words

who would we rather enslave and commit genocide against - women or foreigners?

Questions like this make me wonder what it would feel like to be a white male.

[omega minimo]

11. That's silly

:hi:

[dweller]

14. you forgot to include

Kucinich.


sorry, thought i'd jump to the crux.
dp

[Ken Burch]

28. Kucinich has been pro-choice since 2003.

A vote for Kucinich ISN'T an anti-choice vote anymore, and you know it.

If that's the point of this thread it's a cheap shot.

And there's no reason why we would HAVE to nominate an IWR "yes voter" to get a Democrat elected.

[CTLawGuy]

15. you first

Which would you choose?

Shooting your child in the face, or

voting for Bush to be dictator for life?

[LoZoccolo]

21. Howie, I'm gonna go with...

...shooting my child in the face!!!!



YESSSS!!!! :party: :toast:

[CTLawGuy]

30. no one ever chooses voting for Bush

everytime I ask this it's the same response...

[niyad]

16. I go along with the rest--what kind of insanity are you spouting? there is NO WAY I would EVER give

up choice, and I will NEVER vote for a candidate who is not pro-choice, I don't care WHAT that person's position on other issues is.

[LoZoccolo]

23. You might be faced with this choice in 2008.

If it's there, take responsibility for it.

[sandnsea]

17. choice or ending the war

Hillary or Hagel. Interesting conundrum.

[Guaranteed]

19. Ahh, the horrid situation of having to choose between centrist candidates!

Right?

[LoZoccolo]

20. Here's a song I wrote just for you and 900 other people.

You would be on block right now, right now
Had they not shut down the feature today
You would be on block right now, right now
So hey hey hey hey what do you say?

[Guaranteed]

22. (Nelson) HA ha! nt

[LoZoccolo]

24. The melody I have in my head is somewhat similar to "I'm A Little Teapot". n/t

[dsc]

25. That isn't quite correct

Hagel is an opponent now but he voted for the resolution at the time. That makes him even with Edwards.

[LoZoccolo]

27. This isn't so much about Hagel as it is about Democratic vs. third party. n/t

[LWolf]

26. Happily, I don't have to pick one or the other.

There are Democrats who have been smart enough to both support choice and know not to enable GWB's war ambitions by supporting the IWR.