I Became a democrat because of Dean

[ProudToBeLiberal]

If Dean looses I'll become independent or green. So essentially the democratic party isn't loosing anything or gaining anything by me becoming an independent. If it wasn't for dean I wouldn't have become a democrat. I'll probably write Dean in. I won't vote for Bush so don't give me the crap that I'll give 4 more years of Bush because if it wasn't for Dean I wouldn't have join the democratic party.

I think the Democratic party is split, idealogically wise. One is that some are willing to sacrifice principles because either that person is more "electable" or is a democrat. The other half are idealist. Many people say they aren't mainstream, but I think they are. The democratic party has moved to the right, the DLC is an perfect example. One day i hope that the democratic party regains it's jeffersonian roots and retake the party back. When it does I will gladly come back to the democratic party.

[Zynx]

1. I've been a Dean fan too, but I will support the Democrat in November.

No matter what.

[metisnation]

2. If Dean, Kucinich, Sharpton, Edwards, or any of the candidates

dont win I want them in the cabinet.

[Turkw]

4. I'll vote for the nominee, but when Wes Clark drops out, so will I , of

the Democratic party, I'll stay in for the primary in Florida, if there are any other candidates but Kerry and Edwards. But I will leave the party and will have to think long and hard before I come back. I am absolutely sick of what I have learned about the media and the way it manipulates the elections. I will be joining one or more media watchdog groups and carry on the fight.

[EXE619K]

3. This Independent has yet to find a decent home.

I thought Dean would find me a home.

But, after what the Al Fromms and the DLC did to the guy.....

Seriously, I cannot remember in recent history where a candidate was actively ravaged upon by it's own party than Howard Dean.

Sure, Carter had to fight off the "Reagan Democrats" and McCain(whom I've actively supported in 2000) was trashed by the Bush wing of the GOP but, not like this....

Not like this.

I'm not sure where to turn to in November.....

I will vote and that's for certain. But, I'm not so sure that I want to find a new home yet.

Until then, Not giving up on Doc.

Thanks Doc.

[polpilot]

36. Dean was/is an independent running under the radar as a 'democrat'.

We need a new party that espouses the Dean Platform. We need a new name. I'm an independent and I believe that Dean is an 'independent' looking for a home. Go to the DLC site and imagine that you're Howard Dean reading their bullshit. WHY doesn't he leave. WHY doesn't he say, 'Not wanted here.'

I', ready for the bandanas. Maybe Howard Dean...The Scream Party '04...

[alcuno]

5. I love Howard Dean.

And I'll honor his courage by supporting the Democratic nominee. Howard has moved the Party this year and I owe it to him and the country to vote for our guy.

[polpilot]

37. It's time to TAKE OVER or START OVER. 'Falling in line' is unproductive.

Dean '04...The Scream Party

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[ProudToBeLiberal]

7. define the term democrat

[sillymikey]

8. I became a Democrat because of BUSH

and I am strongly for Dean, but if Dean drops out, I will support whoever gets the democratic nomination. No matter what

[ProudToBeLiberal]

11. ahh but I became a democrat because of dean

so we have a different premise

[polpilot]

40. I understand. The pro-war DLC establishment bet on this. Dean should

START a third party movement with the Dean platform. Go to the DLC site and see their actions over the last 6 months. They are pro-war, pro-establishment and DO NOT WANT DEAN OR DEAN"S POLICIES and by extension his supporters. Dean has been asked to leave the party. Read it for yourself on the DLC website. say that Dean should shake the dust from his shoes and say good-bye. Start The Jeffersonian Party, The Scream Party, The Napoleon Party. The 'Pols Gone Wild' Party, etc. etc. The Democratic Party CANNOT be repaired. I'm tired of repub colleagues laughing at me because of the inevitable demo pro-war candidate. Absurd!!

Dean '04...The Scream Party

[polpilot]

38. Anti-Iraqi War, Anti-Jim Baker & Co., Anti-Lobbyist orientated, Pro-people

representative, a gov where representatives represent the people antonym: The United States 2004

Howard Dean...America's Patriot

[ModerateMiddle]

41. this year?

Democrat = Not Bush

[JNelson6563]

9. Not me

I'm kicking ass and taking names. I didn't much like what I found when I joined my local party. I've worked real hard and it's changed a lot. As more of my fellow Dean supporters join my efforts improvements will happen even faster.

Frankly I think it is more realistic to shape the party into what we like than it is to build one from the ground up. I hope the supporters of ALL the candidates will join me. It could be a great adventure, if we choose to make it so.

:toast: We can take the party and the country back. Do not give up just because it may take longer than a presidential primary season.

Julie

[BurtWorm]

15. I'm with you, Julie!

It takes longer than a primary season to build an insurrection. We can change the party whether the leadership wants it or not. And we can change the White House, whether Bush is ready or not. Two birds with two stones.

[Le Taz Hot]

33. Bingo!

JN is correct. THAT is how you change the party, from the bottom up. Goddess knows the big power boys have no reason to change it. I mean, they get to decide who's going to be president and stuff. :puke:

[Larkspur]

44. I'm with you JN

The only way to change the system is to participate in it and join with like minded people to push for change. I tried skipping out of the Dem Party for 10 years and it only got worse. Of course, no one had ever invited me into the Party after I registered in CT back in 1983.

It was the 2000 election that brought me back and I joined my local Dem Town Comm last year.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

10. Funny, I became a Democrat because of Kucinich

and 911. If it wasn't for DK I doubt I'd even be a registered Dem right now. Just saying.

[pacifictiger]

13. more people who

are willing to speak up against selling their souls for a win, must get involved with the inner workings of the party. Continue to allow our representatives to dance with the devil and we all pay the price.
The downward sleazy spiral from saying its OK behavior because everyone else does it, must be stopped. Nothing will change until more people start vocally bucking the current by saying, bottom line, this behavior is not acceptable - American and the world deserve better.

[WilliamPitt]

12. Explain

You will move from a centrist-slight-right position on budgetary matters/states rights position on social matters...to a far left position on everything? I honestly don't get it.

[bhunt70]

14. I've never understood this either.

[Langis]

16. Bush is counting on your 1/2 vote!

[mitchum]

17. Uh...it was "nice" having you around for a little while

I really don't understand the point of these "Waa waa, the game didn't turn out my way so I'm gonna run home to bed and eat a grilled cheese that my mom made for me...so there!" declarations

Do whatever makes you feel good

[w4rma]

19. Do you think that you are doing a good job of representing kerry, mitchum?

Your arrogance is not going to help the Democratic Party or Kerry.

[mitchum]

23. I'm not affiliated with the Kerry campaign in anyway

So how in the hell am I'm representing John Kerry or the Democratic party? And you know, w4rma, I never mentioned John Kerry in this thread. You did. Oh...I just remembered this is the second or third time you have scolded me on this point. Are you stalking me?
As far as the original poster is concerned; by his own admission he was never a Democrat before. I assume he never helped the party before. So as far as I'm concerned the party owes him jack.
While you're in a scolding mood, why don't you slap the wrists of some of your candidate's supporters? I can PM you the names of some of the mostly grossly misbehaved.

[ModerateMiddle]

42. arrogance v. petulance

the "i'm taking my ball home" is a helluva lot worse, IMO. So much for all the new folks Dean was going to bring into the party, eh? They didn't come for the party, or for principles, they came for the swell "movement". The fad aspect.

[markus]

18. I became a Democrat because of Jesse Jackson

and I'm still here.

Don't give up.

The party is only doomed to a medicore sort of pro-corporatism if you let it be.

Howard Dean and Dennis Kucinich and the spirt of Paul Wellstone need you in the Democratic Pary.

You gotta be a spirit. Don't be no ghost.

(Confession: I did vote for Peter Camejo once. For President. In 1976. Free Beer for anyone who can tell me what party he was running as the candidate of.)

[WilliamPitt]

20. Would that be...

the Greeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeen Party?

:)

I like Magic Hat.

[markus]

24. Sorry, Please Deposit 25 cents and try again

It's 1976, mind you.

[NoPasaran]

28. Socialist Workers Party

I heard him speak that year and he rocked!

[markus]

29. Congratulations

The beer, however, is only redeemable in Fargo, N.D. Sorry.

And I would buy Will Pitt (and lots of the rest of you guys) a beer (or cuppa tea or whatever) anytime.

[NoPasaran]

If I ever make it that far I'm sure I'll be thirsty

By the way, if you liked Peter Camejo, you would have LOVED Fred Halstead--- Big Red Fred we called him. (Ex-SWPer speaking.)

[markus]

43. Yes, I remember the name

I was in the Young Socialist Alliance at the time (mid-Seventies).

And by the time you get to Fargo, you won't just be thirsty (at least not at this time of year).

[revo2004]

21. Dean won me back to the Dems after voting for Nader /eom

[w4rma]

22. Kerry has adopted alot of Dean's positions and rhetoric. I hope you keep

an open mind.

I think Dean would make a better president. But, I think Kerry will do pretty well also.

I'm going to watch him closer. Maybe I'll warm to him. Sen. Kerry is an honorable man.

[Eloriel]

27. An honorable man?

The mind boggles, just boggles.

[HazMat]

25. Don't let the door hit you on the way out

[SiobhanClancy]

26. I became a Democrat because of FDR...

(not that I was alive during his time!). The party has some problems now,but I believe it is still the best hope for the country. Four more years of Bush could be an unthinkable tragedy for this country as well as the rest of the world. There are some things about the Democratic party that I'm not happy with, but right now getting Bush out is more important than anything. Bush and his regime are a major threat to world stability. I think we Americans owe it to the rest of the world to do everything we can to send that lot packing. Idealism must be mixed with pragmatism....we must retake the White House,or be prepared to suffer the consequences.

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[libertad]

31. Dean will be voting for the Democratic nominee, and I think

he would want you to do the same.

[Marymarg]

32. No, you became a Deanocrat

Democrats are loyal to the Democratic candidates, as Dean, himself stated.
The Democratic Party is not split. We really do have a big tent. Many opinions proliferate where there is tolerance. It is the Republican Pary which demands its members to be in lockstep.

If you really want the Democratic Party to "regain it's jeffersonian roots and retake the party back," here's a broom, go to work!

[Snivi Yllom]

34. I did not become a demcrat because of Dean

But if I turn my back on the Democratic party it wont be because of Dean, it will because the Party has neglected me.

Your identification fo the split is nto only accurate but troubling. For there is a definitive split choosing electability over the values and principles I thought the Democratic Party was supposed to stand for.

To me the problem is not that the party has moved rightward, but that it says one thing and does another.

[polpilot]

35. Maybe.........Howard Dean...The Jeffersonian Party??

z

[ModerateMiddle]

39. The Democratic Party has always been split

It's the "big tent" party, which means that there is always tons of disagreement about what should be the priorities of the party. This may very well be the first year that many Democrats are uniting behind what they see as the "most electable" candidate, because the stakes are simply so high - at risk is another 4 years of Bush, who wouldn't be concerned about re-election at that point.

There will never be a candidate who will be everything that you want. You'll disagree on small issues, or maybe big issues.

This year, what has Dems excited and Republicans running scared is that the Dems (outside of DU anyway) aren't shooting their own. They are united in their desire to beat Bush.

[BearFlagDemocrat]

45. As for me...

March 2nd I'm voting for Dean.

November I'm voting for ABB.

December I'm changing my party from Democratic to Independent.