I just thought of a great idea. People here who don't like Hillary should hook up with Dick Morris!

[xultar]

That way you can pool your resources.

Whatddaya think about that?

[ClassWarrior]

1. I just thought of a great idea. People here who like Senator Clinton should...

...give her the respect she deserves as a sitting Senator, and quit referring to her by her first name like she's the housegirl.

NGU.

[SaveElmer]

3. Um...she refers to herself that way...

And I happen to know she views is as a term of affection...

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/

[JackintheGreen]

5. But then how do I show my support for Bear-rick Obama?

I mean, Barack Osama. I mean...hey! Major Garrett! What am I supposed to call him?

[Glorfindel]

8. It will never happen

For some reason, in this country, we refer to women and black men by their first names, invariably, while calling white men by their last names. I don't know why, except as a subtle form of disrespect. I actually saw a post in DU referring to "Edwards and Barack" in the same sentence. One sees references to "Nancy" and then "Reid" or "Sen. Reid" in the same posting, with no visible sense of irony. Remember "Run, Jesse, run"? Nobody would ever say, "Run, Walter, run." Just another curiosity of human nature, I guess.

[SaveElmer]

11. Oh come on....

I remember chants of "We want Bill" at the 1992 and 1996 conventions...

I think it is based on the cadence of their names...

They didn't say Run, Walter, Run" They used his nickname Fritz...Run, Fritz Run...or We want Fritz...

I am a Hillary supporter and think it is fine to use her first name, as she does apparently if you look at her campaign site!!!

[karynnj]

27. I've rarely seen Obama referred to by his first name here

and I've seen (and occasionally typed.

"Run, JOHN, run. referring not to John Conyers, but the white silver haired Senator from Massachusetts.

I think with Senator Clinton - the choices are that or Hillary, because Clinton is "taken".

[xultar]

34. aRE YOU SERIES!!!!!!!!1111

[hijinx87]

42. I recall an entire thread dedicated to Dennis

not too long ago.

[xultar]

15. I agree. But we call Obama, Obama. So why not call Hillary Hillary?

[Oleladylib]

52. Some won't admit..that because she's a female-that ole prejudice

rears it's ugly head..Plus, might she be able to do what the current male(?) hasn't. Ego is a powerful thing ...most especially the macho one. Sorry fellas, dig deep and disagree and that will be fine.

[BayCityProgressive]

2. LOL!

:popcorn:

[xultar]

14. I'm just goin by what I see.

[SaveElmer]

4. They can call themselves "Dick Morris Liberals"...nt

[MannyGoldstein]

6. Does That Mean That People Who Like Mrs. Clinton...

... should join the Republican party?

:hi:

[xultar]

16. She's not a Republic.

[globalvillage]

7. Nice.

You're either with Hillary or you're with the whackjobs?

Sounds familiar. BTW, Didn't Morris work for Bill?

[ProSense]

9. Yes. In fact, Carville, Begala and McAwful still do. n/t

[xultar]

17. Sure did. Dick worked for Bill. Bill made some mistakes. We all know that.

[globalvillage]

22. Yes, we all make mistakes.

But you fail to address the rest of my post.
Are you suggesting we are all required to choose between Sen Clinton and one of her detractors? Or is it OK to choose something in the middle?
How about 'none of the above', does that work?

[xultar]

28. No. I'm sayin the people who are vehemently anti-Hillary...those that won't even

vote for her if she gets the nomination have something in common with Dick Morris and the Republics....none of them want her to succeed. So why not work together for their common goal.

I'm a Clark supporter but I like EVERYONE who is running on the Democratic side.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Some here see Hillary as the enemy. So I was just givin them a suggestion.

[karynnj]

25. I think so, GV

Maybe if Bill wouldn't have given him the status of a senior advisor, this slime would have less prominance today. I don't understand why he let him in the door.

I don't like him. I don't like Carville. I even more don't like Rove. All three debase the political process in this country. I seriously don't see why Clinton fans have the chutzpah to connect him to people who support candidates who have never been associated with him.

[quinnox]

10. Oh, I'm sure we will see plenty of right wing talking points

here at the DU before this is over. I won't be surprised to see a nasty article at free republic reposted at DU to make Hillary look in a terrible light.

Rush Limbaugh-Sean Hannity-Ann Coulter all will be prime source material for the anti-Hillary crowd.

The Hillary haters will be out in force!

[karynnj]

23. But a Kerry one is just funny or "satrical"

The Clintons have had dealing with this slimeball, Senator Kerry, former Senator Edwards and Senator Obama to my knowledge wouldn't let him in the room. So, blaming supporters of people who haven't hired this slease seems a tad bit silly.

He was Clinton's buddy.

[Jim Sagle]

12. I think it's a PUTRID idea, and an attempt to stifle free speech to boot.

Some of us who are skeptical of Hillary are not haters. We don't think of her as Hitlery Klintoon and we don't think she's a lesbian Chinese Red who killed Vince Foster. We just think she's too corporate and not Democratic enough, and she can't win.

I can be leary of her candidacy and still view Dick Morris as a piece of RNC filth. That's why I won't be joining him.

If she wins the nom I'll support her without reservation. Until then, probably not.

[mzteris]

13. I can respect that.

What do you think of those who say they will NEVER vote for her, no matter if she does win the Dem nomination?

[Jim Sagle]

24. They should find another site.

[blm]

18. Wouldn't side w/Morris for hate - nor would I side with Bush and McCain and scold Kerry

for insulting the troops the way Hillary did.

[xultar]

37. Did I use the word hate? Re-read my OP.

[blm]

59. Anything Morris does will be fueled by hate. I wouldn't contribute to it in anyway

shape or form.

And I highly doubt Morris would highlight one complaint I have against the Clintons because my complaints are against their willingness to cooperate and cover up for the Bush empire.

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2006/111106.html

[TayTay]

19. Ask her husband

He went with Dick Morris a lot. He knows him really well. Have Hillary ask Bill what he thinks. After all, Morris advised on The Defense Of Marriage Act, the Welfare Reform Bill and other initiatives and helped prevent Bill from embracing core Democratic values.

Or did you forget that the ToeSucker was an intimate part of the Clinton Administration and a key advisor to Bill Clinton?

[k_jerome]

20. lol. itchin' for a scrap i see. nt.

[xultar]

36. I'm just chillin. Thought I'd point out a funny lil thing I saw.

[karynnj]

21. Her husband did, but the candidate I support is very unlikely to go near him.

You can feel that there is too much corruption attached to the Clintons and not like the way they act, and for those reasons despise the type of politics that Morris, Wolfson and Carville are willing to employ.

In fact it is a smear on the majority of thios board to assume that having reservations on Hillary equates to being with Dick Morris.

Also many Clinton supporters are right now on a thread telling us it is ok and "funny" to post a RW, slanderous anti- Kerry screed. If I went over to Drudge (which I won't) I could likely find a similar piece on Hillary. I won't because I would not want to be assosiated with it. But, the hypocrisy of the Clinton supporters to make the posts here and there at the same time is extraordinary.

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[generaldemocrat]

32. Slobodan is that you?

Clark launched the war on Yugoslavia on Clinton's orders skippy. That is unless you believe that in the wonderful world of hypocrisy that generals have the power to wage war without presidential authority.

You try to take Clark down on Yugoslavia, then you'll bring down your own masters as well.

[k_jerome]

33. Amnesty International agrees with me. nt.

[karynnj]

38. Are you having fun slandering good people

This is beyond conscience - could you delete this?

[k_jerome]

41. why do you not feel that the responded to message in not slandering? double standard? hypocrite? nt

[Tom Joad]

43. ooops. meant to reply to op.

[Zhade]

30. I think it's one of the stupidest posts you've ever made.

Some of us have actual reasons not to like her - like her pro-corporate, pro-war stances, for example.

[xultar]

35. Thank you. Thankyouverymuch.

[AtomicKitten]

51. gee, if only that tolerance for a dissenting POV

was across the board ... think how civil things would be.

I don't think you are at all unreasonable in pointing out that while some take it as a personal affront and lash out viciously when you don't support their candidate, they think it is perfectly fine to post barb after pointed barb about HRC.

The disparity in the way HRC is treated around here is appalling.

On edit: An example of such a thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2920815#top

[xultar]

55. I agree. I don'tsupport Hillary cuz I'm a Clark supporter but I'll GLADLY vote for her

if she gets the nomination. I'll more gladly vote for her than Gore or Kerry.

[cadmium]

31. Funny thought, but I dont need anything sucked nt

[wisteria]

40. lol! n/t

[wisteria]

39. Just because we don't think Hillary would make a good President

and we don't want anymore dynasties or more of the same old ethic issues or nasty Clinton trials, does not mean we like Morris or would even consider going near him. After all, he is slim and interesting enough not slimy enough obviously for the Clinton administration.

[Tom Joad]

44. No substance to this post. Thanks for sharing.

[Canuckistanian]

45. More "with us or against us" rhetoric

So it's Hillary or throw in with the Republicans?

Everyone knows that Morris is a toe-sucking, whoring, lying opportunist. Are we to be compared with THAT?

Really, xultar, I expected better from you.

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

46. precisely the attitude that launched a nader bid

and will get him well above the 5% mark in '08. If this the game the dlc wants to play, then they shouldn't expect any sympathy when they whine about the ballot status they give the greens through hillary

and btw, dick morris was hillary and bill's man, not ours

[The Backlash Cometh]

47. I think you're polarizing the available options to control the results.

"If you're not with me you're a'gin me."

Sound familiar?

[TroubleMan]

48. Way to take a page out of Cheney's playbook.

How ironic - a Hillary supporter using a repug tactic, saying that those against Hillary should join up with the repugs. It's even more ironic that Hillary is the most conservative candidate.

C'mon, you're getting in to Mr. Benchley territory with that one. You don't want to drop down to his level.

[Moloch]

49. I feel really sorry for Dick Morris.

It seems his whole life revolves around Hillary Clinton. It's the saddest and most pathetic thing I've ever seen.

[oasis]

50. If they hook up with Spanky and Alfalfa's "He-man Woman Hater's Club"

they'll get free bubble gum.:grouphug: "Oh goody".

[JNelson6563]

53. This from the poster who wondered

about obnoxious behavior on the internets.....

So anyone who isn't supportive of a Hillary candidacy is in the same league as Dick Morris?

I can't believe DU lets this kind of tripe get posted and remain open.

Julie

[Warren Stupidity]

54. thank you. nt.

[xultar]

58. Does everyone have to use the sarcasm smiley for people to get stuff.

You guys are hilarious. It's a fuckin JOKE. But it does point out a pretty cool fact. Most of the people who don't like Hillary dislike her enough to vote for a third party candiate...

I find strange and kind of funny that Dick Morris and the republicans feel the same way about HRC and would use the same tactics that Lefties would use to bring her candidacy down.

Don't you think that is funny?

Of all the things that Liberals and Dick Morris would have the same goal...not to see Hillary run or get the nom or win.

That's pretty bizarre. Ironic...(is that the right word?)

[Warren Stupidity]

63. You have to make up your mind.

Joke or not a joke?

"No. I'm sayin the people who are vehemently anti-Hillary...those that won't even vote for her if she gets the nomination have something in common with Dick Morris and the Republics"

Joke or not a joke?

You are flamebaiting and then hiding behind the "just kidding" curtain.

"Most of the people who don't like Hillary dislike her enough to vote for a third party candiate..."

Oh really? Was that a joke too? Or do you have any evidence that most of the people who don't like Clinton will vote third party? If you have no such evidence then quite simply you are engaged in broad brush smearing and flame baiting.

Here is one data point: I dislike Clinton. If unfortunately she is our nominee for president I will, as usual, work my ass off for her election and withhold criticism until after the election results are in. Them's the rules: fight like hell in the primaries, unity in the general election. Why don't you run a poll and get some more data points? You might be surprised by the results.

[xultar]

56. Julie. If you can't see it's a joke you need to back away from the PC.

:rofl:

[itsmesgd]

57. And Hillary supporters should hook up with FOX news corps... Hillary has done so already

see CBS news article "Rupert Murdoch Loves Hillary Clinton". The article reminds us of the fundraiser that Murdoch held for her in 2006 and shows their growing "relationship".

Here's a brief snip.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/05/09/politics/main...

"Clinton has worked hard to take the edge off her reputation as a card-carrying liberal. She has has collaborated with congressional conservatives on some peices of legislation, called for a "common ground" on abortion and cut a political figure some on the left see as decidedly un-liberal."

Let's remember that Hillary is in bed with the Murdoch Machine. A vote for Hill in 08 is a vote for the status quo. Why would Murdoch support her financially if they did not agree on the fundementals?

[LoZoccolo]

60. WINNER!

:thumbsup:

Recommended too.

[truedelphi]

61. I don't think that you GET it!

Hillary is about the corporate control of the planet.

If you are even vaguely progressive, the new world order that would occur under her regime is not at all in line with the more insightful visions for the future that we progressives hold to.

Under Hillary, we would gain a few things we wouldn't see under a Hagel or McCain.

There would possibly be a Universal Health plan - but it would include the insurance industry taking its cut, up to 47% of cost, so no way could we afford it {However if we had a progressive candidate, the insurance industry participation would be zip - and it could be run like Meidcare was run (until recently) with only a 5.6% overhead.}

Also under Hillary, if another New Orleans style weather disaster hits the USA, there would be immediate relief for affected citizens. (This might be the ONE and only reason I would vote for her)

We still would go into Iran, though the war would be better managed possibly. Here I would underline possibly, because there is just too much discussion about the need for it to be a nuclear
(new weaponry, limited impact) style war.

When I see all the many pro-corporate developments that went on under her husband's Presidency - the usurping of our health through the use of benzenes and other chemicals in all the unregulated "personal care" products (ie air fresheners etc) the development and non-regulation of Genetically Modified Food organisms, the "Surge" of Pharmaceutical companies allowed to advertise day and night that should you so much as burp you need new medication, all that went on under Bill (And let's not forget how NAFTA occurred while Bill enthused about it, and also the de-regulation of the FCC, so we now have only four or five main media giants) - I am not willing to embrace Hil.

Of course, in enumerating those items above, I have to hold the Congress of 1993-2000 as much to blame as Bill Clinton himself.

[truedelphi]

62. Also Cindy Sheehan sees clear through The Hill

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/012207A.shtml

Good ol Hill can't fool all the people all the time