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mac56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 10:14 PM
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When nice people send out snotty e-mails
Edited on Thu Jan-04-07 10:16 PM by mac56
I suspect this meme has made the rounds already, but I didn't find any threads about it here.

A very sweet young woman who is a friend of mine sent us this message, under the topic line "Another Reason Why I Like Australia". I was taken aback by such a mean-spirited post from such a pleasant fair-minded person.

Suggestions on how to respond? Add on edit: I looked it up on Snopes, but learned only that it was made up of actual factual quotes.

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Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia, as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks.

A day after a group of mainstream Muslim leaders pledged loyalty to Australia and her Queen at a special meeting with Prime Minister John Howard, he and his Ministers made it clear that extremists would face a crackdown. Treasurer Peter Costello, seen as heir apparent to Howard, hinted that some radical clerics could be asked to leave the country if they did not accept that Australia was a secular state, and its laws were made by parliament. "If those are not your values, if you want a country which has Sharia law or a theocratic state, then Australia is not for you", he said on national television.

"I'd be saying to clerics who are teaching that there are two laws governing people in Australia: one the Australian law and another the Islamic law, that is false. If you can't agree with parliamentary law, independent courts, democracy, and would prefer Sharia law and have the opportunity to go to another country, which practices it, perhaps, then, that's a better option", Costello said.

Asked whether he meant radical clerics would be forced to leave, he said those with dual citizenship could possibly be asked to move to the other country. Education Minister Brendan Nelson later told reporters that Muslims who did not want to accept local values should "clear off. Basically people who don't want to be Australians, and who don't want to live by Australian values and understand them, well then, they can basically clear off", he said.

Separately, Howard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying he supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques Quote: "IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT. Take It Or Leave It. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali, we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians."

"However, the dust from the attacks had barely settled when the 'politically correct' crowd began complaining about the possibility that our patriotism was offending others. I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to Australia." "However, there are a few things that those who have recently come to our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand." "This idea of Australia being a multicultural community has served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. As Australians, we have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle."

"This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom"

"We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society, Learn the language!"

"Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture."

"We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us."

"If the Southern Cross offends you, or you don't like " A Fair Go", then you should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet. We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really don't care how you did things where you came from. By all means, keep your culture, but do not force it on others.

"This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom, 'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'."

"If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted."

Maybe if we circulate this amongst ourselves, American citizens will find the backbone to start speaking and voting the same truths!!

SEND THIS TO EVERYBODY YOU KNOW

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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 10:16 PM
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1. doesn't seem like a very pleasant fair minded person to me.
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mac56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 10:17 PM
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2. Hard to believe, I know, but she truly is.
That's why this is so puzzling.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 10:19 PM
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5. well sometimes things like that can reveal a persons true nature.
i have a friend that used to send rw crapola all the time until i started bouncing them back to her.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 10:18 PM
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3. Snopes says it's essentially true (although only the first 5 paragraphs are in the
original email), but Snopes also said much of it is weighted to use only the most inflammatory rhetoric.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/australia.asp
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philosophie_en_rose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 10:19 PM
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4. "We disagree on this issue. Please don't forward political messages to me." eom
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mac56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 10:20 PM
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6. Bingo. I think that's the right approach.
Thanks.
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benddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 10:22 PM
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7. I've gotten this from Australian friends
the delete key is fast and easy. They are very bigotted people. They don't like the Aborigines and they don't want Muslims. But then in 1967 Blacks and Orientals couldn't immigrate to OZ...so maybe another 100 years.
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Esra Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 10:42 PM
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10. The ratio of progressives to regressives in Oz is about
the same as anywhere in the anglo world.
I think the advice coming from the government is that Australian law is the over-riding law.
Also, citizens will never be kicked out.
It is true that non-citizens have been kicked out with no reason given.
I find this a bit hard to take.(the no reason part that is)
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 10:27 PM
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8. People who say "America: Love it or leave it" hate America
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ocd liberal Donating Member (333 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 10:37 PM
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9. This is the same crap I see during my supervisory email reviews
every single day. I have been reviewing emails for four straight years and Repubs ALWAYS send the emails. I have never seen a Democratic forwarded email of this nature - NEVER. It's like email is the Repubs' way of disseminating their intellectual promiscuity to their Greatest Generation bonehead constituency who just love to HATE.

Have you seen the latest one going around? Mdm Spkr Nancy Pelosi was quoted in Wall Street Journal about the Dow Jones and Wall Street in general was not a reliable indicator of the economy for the regular person, it's all just fat cats etc etc - WSJ obviously spun right to say she is going to take your money and give it to the illegal aliens.

very disturbing

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tinfoilinfor2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 10:45 PM
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11. Your personal experience with this tells an interesting story.
I imagine that others with similar jobs came to the same conclusion. Maybe it was the little things like this that managed to piss off the voters sufficiently last November and led to the "thumping"...
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-04-07 11:37 PM
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12. If it were applied equally to ALL religions, I'm all for the premise.
Edited on Thu Jan-04-07 11:41 PM by TankLV
I would like to see such a document here that emphasises the SECULAR authority and supremacy of the laws THIS country is founded on.

No radical dominionists or other fundy types who would insist that THEIR religious beliefs be enshrinied into OUR law should be welcome here either...

But the fact that it tries to ENSHRINE "christianity" as THE "law" instead of SECULAR law, is creepy and causes me to wince...
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-05-07 12:08 AM
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13. I'd ask if she were planning to move to Australia
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