This picture is posted on several right wing sites

[CatWoman]

Among them Rush's and Neal Boortz'.

Should Kerry be worried?

[NashVegas]

1. I Wouldn't

It's desperate. And everyone knows it.

[papau]

42. I agree - no reason to worry,- sitting at a Congressional hearing is bad?

or do we lie and add words to make it seem like he is scum to all those that think of Jane as scum?

Would the media lie?

sorry - silly question

should he worry about it -

I suggest he should assume the media will lie as they did with Gore - and not worry about that fact.

[MAlibdem]

53. The question isn't if you care

You are extremely well informed

Will the American people care?

I think slightly, but it won't matter on its own. If there are fifty pictures of Kerry doing things "wrong" or "disloyal", then there COULD be a problem. I think the war footage of Kerry in Nam with an M-16 slung over his shoulder, if not overplayed, could be extremely effective in combating such propaganda

[radwriter0555]

2. NO. More than 300,000 Viet Name vets ALSO protested the Viet Nam war upon

returning home.

Why shouldn't he have the sense to realize that he was duped, and to want to gather with others who ALSO learned that the Viet Nam war was WRONG?

I don't even LIKE kerry, wouldn't vote for him, BUT, I will defend his RIGHT TO FREE SPEECH.

Like EVERY AMERICAN, he is entitled to and has a right to free speech.

[SaveElmer]

3. This is a dupe...and picture was taken 2 years before

Fonda went to Vietnam...desperation tactic!!!

[jean]

10. when the RNC spin takes a full turn Kerry can turn this into

an issue of soldiers dying because their leaders lied and tie it in to our Iraq veterans, dead and maimed.

[bowens43]

46. Do you have a cite?

How do yu know when this picture was taken?

[SaveElmer]

50. From Pig Boy himself

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_020904/content/eib_extra.guest.html

[Terwilliger]

4. How horrible! John Kerry and Jane Fonda were at the same place!

Stop the presses! :eyes:

[regnaD kciN]

55. You know, if someone had a camera at the right place...

...they could have caught pictures of me about the same distance away from both Ronald Reagan and Spiro Agnew.

Of course, I was carrying protest signs both times...

[soleft]

5. Has Bush ever posed with Janet Jackson

because clearly that would be more upsetting to the public than a photo of someone who laughed while sitting on a NVA anti aircraft gun.

Personally, I miss Hanoi Jane. In the late 70's Jane Fonda had a profound influence on me politically. Much more than her exercise tapes ever did.

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[Mass_Liberal]

41. AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I AM SO SCARED!!! WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU FISHBINE!! AAAAHHHH!!!! That damn gray ghoulish tit keeps coming back to haunt me.

[grannylib]

6. Not IMHO, it's pretty well known that he was against the war after he came

home and that he attended this rally at which Fonda appeared (I think this is the one where several vets tossed the ribbons from their medals) so it's nothing new at all...
They will probably try to make an issue of it but given the fact that Kerry WAS in Viet Nam and did serve honorably and with distinction, they'll have a hard time demonizing him with this. They will try though, that's what they do, the bastards, but they got nothin'.

[progressivebydesign]

7. They are SO reaching!!

That is ridiculous. I think the anti-Vietnam protester smear will backfire. Most reasonble people remember the truth about that time. I don't see that as hurting Kerry. The ones that will be jerks about it, wouldn't have voted for him anyway. They're really pathetic with that photo... I wonder how many public events I've attended that could be framed in the same way. He's a face in the crowd..

[burmartesq]

8. Nah

Unless this was taken at a North American Man-Boy Love Association rally.

[mojo2004]

9. I wouldn't worry...

about this picture or any other picture with Fonda and Kerry. It doesn't matter that much. Kerry's anti-war demonstration will counteract his war experience though. You can't very well brag about being a war-hero and then protest that same war you fought.

[lancdem]

15. He became disillusioned with the war AFTER he fought in it

Hardly a contradiction.

[tobius]

58. well, that's the point isn't it?

hate the war, but proud to have fought in it...? or "that war was an evil,racist,imperialistic abomination and when I was there I kicked ass!"
I sense a pattern here

Kerry Said Leaving Saddam Hussein "Unfettered With Nuclear Weapons Or Weapons Of Mass Destruction Is Unacceptable." (Jill Lawrence, "War Issue Challenges Democratic Candidates," USA Today, 2/12/03)

"Voted NO on allowing all necessary forces and other means in Kosovo.

Majority Leader Trent Lott motioned to kill the resolution that would have authorized the president to "use all necessary forces and other means," in cooperation with U.S. allies to accomplish objectives in Yugoslavia.
Status: Motion to Table Agreed to Y)78; N)22 Reference: Motion to table S. J. Res. 20; Bill S. J. Res. 20 ; vote number 1999-98 on May 4, 1999 "

[HazMat]

57. Quite the opposite

in both instances -- as a soldier and later a protester -- he was fighting for his country. That is what he is proud of.

[tobius]

64. quite

;this is the basic line of attack coming;

" The only relevant lesson from Vietnam is this: then, as now, it was not possible for the enemy to achieve military victory over the US; their only hope was that America would, in effect, defeat itself. And few men can claim as large a role in the loss of national will that led to that defeat as John Kerry. A brave man in Vietnam, he returned home to appear before Congress and not merely denounce the war but damn his "band of brothers" as a gang of rapists, torturers and murderers led by officers happy to license them to commit war crimes with impunity. He spent the Seventies playing Jane Fonda and he now wants to run as John Wayne.."

caution:the daily telegraph--http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2004/02/10/do1002.xml&sSheet=/opinion/2004/02/10/ixop.html&secureRefresh=true&_requestid=81871

[KnucklesBuchanan]

11. Wow...

I never would have guessed that was Kerry. It's the first time I've ever seen him not look like he's trying to keep himself awake.

[BurtWorm]

12. No, the Bush people should be worried

for having people working for them who think this picture should worry Kerry! They're going to have to work very, very hard to get this picture to mean the same thing for America that it means to them.

[QuidditchFan]

37. AND are they being as stupid as it would appear?

I agree with your post. I think that the majority of Americans are not going to understand why this photo should be a "bad thing." As a matter of fact, being socially involved, even if it means dissenting from the government, is probably viewed as a courageous act.

The only way I can get my head around the pukes wanting to do this and draw the inevitable contrast with Bush's AWOLism is fearing that they must have some bombshell that "proves" that Bush DID show up for duty. But wouldn't the next logical step be that the blood-thirsty media, who are now on the scent of this trail, conduct interviews with Bush's commanding officers? Then don't you have a forgery case on your hands?

I am shaking my head trying to figure out the motivation behind the smear machine wanting to engage Kerry here...

[seventhson]

13. who took it and when?

I was looking for an original photo credit (which I got criticized for on another thread which got deleted for some unknown or IMHO very poor reason) to determine when and where etc.

I DO believe this is a polarizing photo and that it makes Kerry less electable.

And it is another reason to vote for Dean or Edwards or Kucinich instead of Kerry (or Clark) in any primaries remaining.

It is ALSO going to appear inBush and other ads and is WHY DEAN should stay in until the covention.

When people really get to know Kerry they will NOT like him IMHO

[lancdem]

20. Makes him look less electable?

You're kidding, right? It's no secret Kerry was opposed to the war after he came home.

[rucky]

14. Where are his hands & why is Jane smiling?

[Rowsdower]

16. there will be more

From what I've heard, there are more photos of Kerry and Fonda together that the repugs are gonna be releasing soon.

[lancdem]

22. Bring it on

If that's the best they can come up with, I'm not worried.

[Rowsdower]

36. I'm afraid this is a warning shot

I am hearing that they are saving the worst photos for later. I hope this isn't true.

[woofless]

44. Oh please! They could show them "in flagrante delicto"

and it wouldn't make a damn bit of difference. Only a very rabid and vocal and tiny minority believe that Jane Fonda is dangerous to America, or that somehow having been near her says anything about ones character.

[bowens43]

47. This is bad because??

I don't see this as an issue. No one who does see this as an issue would be voting Dem anyway.

[CatWoman]

17. I think it originated at NewsMax

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/2/9/134218.shtml


that was from yesterday.

Today's edition has this pic, with a tagline saying Kerry had just been arrested:

[mikehiggins]

18. A face in the crowd

And doesn't Jane look cute.

This photo is a shot across the bow, nothing more.

Focus groups will now be asking people if that raises any questions in their minds about John Kerry. If the numbers look right, as I suspect they will, there will be more coming out about JK's actions during that period.

This could all have been avoided.

[lancdem]

24. I'm sorry, but Kerry attending an anti-war rally

30-some years ago is hardly big news, even among swing voters.

[mikehiggins]

40. Wait and see. Wait and see. You may be surprised. eom

[regnaD kciN]

60. I'll admit my first reaction was...

..."So, Kerry was at a demonstration with a lot of long-haired protesters. So what? Even if there was a hot hippie chick in the foreground." It was only a few moments later that the thought hit me, "Wait a minute...that isn't a 'hot hippie chick,' that's 'Hanoi Jane'!" ;-)

[Walt Starr]

19. That picture makes me want to vote for him

Still on the edge of a razor where Kerry is concerned, though.

[liberalitch]

21. SSSSSOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

Everyone knows he was anti-war when he returned home....

How many demonstrations have you been to at which there is someone who believes as you do on that one thing but on nothing else?

[underpants]

23. How could Jason Lee have been there?(the guy in the shades)

[LuminousX]

25. When I first heard about this picture, I thought it was Kerry and Fonda

arm in arm or on the same stage. Being within 50 feet of each other doesn't really man much.

[underpants]

26. Nice clean part in his hair too I notice

:thumbsup:

[adadem]

27. The majority of

Americans have, imho, come to agree that VietNam was, in fact, a mistake. The ones who continue to "blacklist" Jane Fonda over her stand at that time are a distinct minority. Similar to those who cannot accept the fact that voters in the Democratic party contests are choosing a candidate other than the one that a distinct few on DU want voters to choose.

[RobertSeattle]

28. Gentlemen (and Ladies), start your Photoshopping!

:evilgrin:

[bowens43]

29. No he shouldn't be worried.

He went to Vietnam. He fought. He saw what was going on. Realized the war was not one that we should have been fighting. He came home and worked to bring others home. Quite honorable all the way around.

[shawmut]

30. Putting the focus on Vietnam

plays right into Kerry's hands and plays up Bush's character flaws. If the repukes and chicken hawks want to make this an issue than I really couldn't be happier considering the questions that will be raised regarding AWOL and what one rich kid did for his country as opposed to the other.

[King of New Orleans]

31. More disturbing

Is the guy next to Kerry licking a lollipop?!?!

Oh the horrors

[Mairead]

33. Who says that's Kerry? Does he acknowledge it?

because it's really not a very clear photo!

[Sparkle]

34. Wonder why they won't advertise this photo?

[eleny]

35. Photo taken in 1970 - she went to SE Asia in 1972

So there is no merit to the connections made by wingnuts.

[bowens43]

48. How do you know when it was taken?

I'm not doubting you , I would just like a cite to back it up.

[CatWoman]

66. ....

Insinuations of treason are being revived for deployment against Kerry, who happens to be a close friend of McCain (Kerry defended McCain against Sampley, denouncing him as a "stupid ass" in print). The simplest way to tar Kerry as an antiwar extremist -- and indict him for unpatriotic betrayal in the eyes of many vets -- is to pair him with "Hanoi Jane" Fonda. On Monday, Rush Limbaugh published a photograph of Fonda at what appears to be an antiwar rally, under the headline "John Kerry With Hanoi Jane in September, 1970." And indeed, a blurry face about two rows behind her does resemble the young Kerry.

But Limbaugh, like so many who attack Kerry for working with Fonda against the war, distorts reality. Fonda didn't travel to Hanoi until August 1972. Obviously that was two years after the September 1970 rally and, more important, a year after she joined demonstrations led by Kerry and his fellow vets in Vietnam Veterans Against the War. By the time Fonda visited Hanoi, Kerry was running for Congress in Boston. There's no evidence that he worked with Fonda after her notorious trip. (If Monday's rant indicates Limbaugh's state of mind, he is absolutely unhinged by the prospect of renewed debate over Vietnam. Might his hysteria have anything to do with his own embarrassing escape from the draft?)

http://salon.com/opinion/conason/2004/02/10/kerry_smear/index.html

[WiseMen]

38. SHOWS JOHN KERRY IS ONE OF US. GREAT!!!!!!!

[Faygo Kid]

39. I opposed the war. The war was wrong. Kerry was right to oppose it.

So now supporting the Vietnam War is the thing to do? One of the main reasons I can vote for Kerry is his leadership of VVAW. I hope Kerry speaks out soon; his service was honorable, and so was his opposition to that war. Time to say so.

[Uzybone]

43. Wow

Kerry sat with Fonda in the same general vicinity. Shocking.

The Pukes dare not pull the Nam card. It is too much of a weakness for Bush.

[Forkboy]

45. When Good People Get Bad Hair

on the next Oprah!

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

49. He won't get the votes of people who won't vote for ANY Democrat with this

So no I don't think it is a cause for worry. Glad they pulled it out early. Good sign of Republican desperation....they have to contrast this against his war service. Smart move, Limbaugh et al.

[Fleshdancer]

51. I wish there were photos of Kerry protesting the Iraqi War too

oh well.

[GalleryGod]

52. My Reaction: WOW! WAS Jane Hot! Hot! Hot!

Do the Horizontal Mambo, with Me, Mama and I'll tell you Tales of the 'Nam!:bounce: :bounce:

[seventhson]

54. Sexy....

Just like the deaths in Iraq that Kerry voted to allow


abk (primaries)

[regnaD kciN]

62. The early 70s was her sexiest period...

As far as I was concerned, she could ride my anti-aircraft gun anytime!

(O.K...that has to be the tackiest thing I've ever written...)

[HazMat]

56. the GOP is underestimating how unpopular Vietnam was and still is

As far as I know, most folks from the boomer generation, regardless of political affiliation, ultimately came to believe that the Vietnam War was a mistake. Most mainstream Americans see nothing wrong with protesting the Vietnam War.

To mainstream Americans, if there was ever a war to protest, Vietnam was it.

Kerry is on the correct side of this.

[regnaD kciN]

59. That photo won't hurt him, but...

...crap like this will: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/159693_firstperson09.html

Count on a steady stream of "Kerry betrayed our soldiers" stories from "incensed" Republican veterans for the entire General Election season. I've always said that one of the things that makes him especially vulnerable in November is that is will be easy for the G.O.P. to spin Kerry's VVAW leadership into "treason" -- and thereby, at the very least, to make people forget his military career, which (even for those anti-Kerry types like myself) certainly qualifies as brave and faithful.

[King of New Orleans]

61. Of course this guy is living in a fantasy world

His "If only we'd given the commander-in-chief are full backing, the war would have turned out better" has no grounding in reality. I'm sure there are some ex-Vietnam soldiers who believe this, but they're a small minority. Also, the facts are that the highest casualty rates in Nam were before 1970 (by far), when Kerry joined the anti-war effort. People can write letters like that, they just have no grounding in reality and are easily refuted. In fact I'd be disappointed if there weren't a dozen letters or more sent to the newspaper blasting this individual's faulty, frequently wacky assertions (He claims the N. Vietnamese gov't had killed more than a hundred million poeple ?!?!?!).

[regnaD kciN]

63. While it can be refuted...

...that will only work if the reader is willing to sit through a refutation and think about it. One of the greatest traits of both the Religious Right and the Republican party is their ability to hit people with a quick emotional charge, and make the refutation of it be more complicated and time-consuming and require less emotion. More often than not, the emotional involvement (if strong enough) will cause them to shut down logical thought and make them unwilling to wait through lengthy reasoning in any event.

[LoZoccolo]

65. Whatever you do, don't get defensive.

Just be like "so"? If they start elaborating their views to the point that it comes out that they don't think he should have been protesting, paint them into a fascist corner. But never apologize for this.

[K8-EEE]

67. OH BROTHER!

I don't know Jane Fonda but have been in the same room with her before...give me a freaking break. This just shows how weakk they are. Playing the Jane Fonda card? It will only "convince" brainless dittoheads who are GWB's base anyhow.

And when I say "base" I mean BASE!!

[davsand]

68. Just me, Jane, and a few thousand other guys out protesting...

...another illegitimate war. That is how he should caption that photo.

My love and respect to all who served over there and to those who never made it home, but a photo of a crowd of protesters is not exactly cause to call the man a traitor.

Seems to me, the only ones who are gonna have an issue with this one are the conservative WW2 vets--who probably will not vote Dem anyhow, or the parents of a kid who suffered thru the Viet Nam war and its aftermath.

They are really reaching if this is all they have...

Laura

[ElementaryPenguin]

69. We'll just picture Chimpy with Kenny Boy and Rummy with Saddam!!

Realy not to tough to defeat stupid neocon fascists - especially with all the ammo they've provided us with!!

:spank: