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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-27-06 08:46 PM Original message |
Holy Cow. Outsourcing Torture Began Under Clinton, Not Bush. |
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theoldman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-27-06 08:59 PM Response to Original message |
1. I think that very few people were tortured while Clinton was |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-27-06 09:06 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Are You Defending This Practice? nt |
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theoldman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-27-06 09:12 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. No, I am just saying that it happened. |
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BleedingHeartPatriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-27-06 09:17 PM Response to Original message |
4. So, you're focusing on a single sentence in the article, rather than the article itself? |
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BleedingHeartPatriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-27-06 09:18 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. BTW, where might we find the New Yorker article of which you speak? n/t |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-27-06 09:34 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. October 30, 2006 p 34 |
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BleedingHeartPatriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-27-06 09:46 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Was the gist of the article about Clinton torturing people? n/t |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-27-06 09:49 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. No. Did I Say That It Was? |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-27-06 09:55 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. I believe it was started by Ronald Reagan. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-28-06 12:45 AM Response to Reply #12 |
28. You are correct, see my post below. |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-27-06 09:37 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. So Anything is OK If Bush Does It Worse? |
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Dr.Phool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-27-06 09:24 PM Response to Original message |
6. We know why Clinton keeps his mouth shut on this. |
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monktonman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-27-06 09:47 PM Response to Original message |
10. Hey, check it out |
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underpants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-28-06 09:53 AM Response to Reply #10 |
39. He's not? I saw Rohrabacher on CNN this morning blaming him for 9/11 |
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stillcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-27-06 09:59 PM Response to Original message |
13. I found a well-written piece in.. |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-27-06 10:55 PM Response to Reply #13 |
19. New Yorker Article is by the Same Author - |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-27-06 10:09 PM Response to Original message |
14. i heard this a couple of months ago. pissed me off. yes clinton did. |
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silverojo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-27-06 10:41 PM Response to Original message |
15. 5th K&R from me! |
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SaveElmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-27-06 10:43 PM Response to Original message |
16. Hmmm.... |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-27-06 10:53 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. I'm Sure That They Weren't Happy!!! |
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niyad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-27-06 11:54 PM Response to Reply #17 |
25. not tortured, but their properties were confiscated, and maybe you ought to look into the conditions |
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architect359 (544 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-28-06 10:39 AM Response to Reply #25 |
42. You're right about the dismal conditions that the Japanese-Anericans were subjected to |
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fuzzyball (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-28-06 12:57 PM Response to Reply #25 |
44. We were at WAR for crying out loud, and Japanese spies were |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-28-06 02:44 PM Response to Reply #44 |
48. And German-Americans were imprisoned longer. |
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fujiyama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-29-06 07:57 AM Response to Reply #44 |
63. Those were US CITIZENS that were put in internment camps |
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hughee99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-29-06 08:26 AM Response to Reply #44 |
65. Did he "protect" us from the Alaskan Aleuts too? |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-27-06 10:54 PM Response to Original message |
18. But who bothers winning wars any more? that is so |
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dad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-27-06 10:58 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. zx |
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arikara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-27-06 10:59 PM Response to Original message |
21. Atrocities have been going on for a very long time |
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AZBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-27-06 11:26 PM Response to Original message |
22. ooooh....it started way before Clinton.... |
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jazzjunkysue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-27-06 11:32 PM Response to Original message |
23. But it wasn't for neo-con profit. There's the difference. |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-27-06 11:53 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. He Sure Earned A Spot At Poppy Bush's Table... |
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jazzjunkysue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-28-06 09:07 AM Response to Reply #24 |
37. I really don't have the detailed info to argue either way. |
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arikara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-27-06 11:55 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. I honestly don't know what was done under Clinton |
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jazzjunkysue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-28-06 09:03 AM Response to Reply #26 |
36. Maybe the sanctions were an attempt to ease him out of power |
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arikara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-28-06 03:30 PM Response to Reply #36 |
52. Well whatever the reason |
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hughee99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-29-06 08:33 AM Response to Reply #23 |
66. So torture is okay depending on who's doing it and why? |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-28-06 12:40 AM Response to Original message |
27. Correction, it BEGAN under REAGAN - and EXPANDED under BUSH. |
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NobleCynic (991 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-28-06 01:20 AM Response to Reply #27 |
29. Doesn't exonerate Clinton |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-28-06 02:39 PM Response to Reply #29 |
45. Actually if you take time to read the info, it does. |
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NobleCynic (991 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-28-06 09:34 PM Response to Reply #45 |
60. My mistake |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-28-06 09:59 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. Thanks for reading the info completely. |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-28-06 08:37 AM Response to Reply #27 |
35. I Think That Your Sources Agree With My Post |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-28-06 09:50 AM Response to Reply #35 |
38. You seem to like to defend the otherside quite a bit, and our side? |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-28-06 09:57 AM Response to Reply #38 |
40. WTF? |
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paulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-28-06 03:24 PM Response to Reply #38 |
51. yes, I'm sure Mr. Goldstien's outrage over this is based on his |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-28-06 02:39 PM Response to Reply #35 |
46. Your post is incorrect. |
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elehhhhna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-28-06 10:28 AM Response to Reply #27 |
41. We've done this for 20 YEARS?!! Where is my country? She's been gone |
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FormerDittoHead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-28-06 01:34 AM Response to Original message |
30. Bush continues doing it and two wrongs don't make a right. |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-28-06 02:08 AM Response to Original message |
31. Clinton just continued the status quo. (nt) |
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farmboxer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-28-06 02:13 AM Response to Reply #31 |
32. Clinton is Jesus Christ compared to Bush! Bush is the worst |
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fujiyama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-28-06 07:43 AM Response to Original message |
33. Your thread's title is misleading |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-28-06 08:32 AM Response to Reply #33 |
34. Clearly Stated |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-28-06 12:10 PM Response to Reply #34 |
43. In all the examples given above... |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-28-06 03:16 PM Response to Reply #43 |
49. Exactly! |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-28-06 03:22 PM Response to Reply #43 |
50. so another purposely misleading anti-Clinton thread is laid to rest |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-28-06 05:18 PM Response to Reply #50 |
55. Well, *I* am anti-Clinton. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-28-06 06:35 PM Response to Reply #55 |
59. but you know BS when you see it. |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-28-06 04:48 PM Response to Reply #43 |
53. A Good Clintonian Effort! |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-28-06 04:59 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. Everything I know about this topic... |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-28-06 05:25 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. You Need A Judge to Do This |
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chieftain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-28-06 05:56 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. Maybe most people who think Clinton is to the right of Nixon |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-28-06 05:59 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. Yet They Don't Point Out Specifics |
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chieftain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-28-06 11:41 PM Response to Reply #58 |
62. Actually Mzmolly demolished the premise of your thread |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-29-06 12:40 PM Response to Reply #58 |
67. Clinton vs Nixon |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-29-06 12:57 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. Economy: Clinton advantage hands down. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-28-06 02:44 PM Response to Reply #34 |
47. Clinton is not the father of outsourced torture. |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-29-06 08:06 AM Response to Reply #47 |
64. thanks for correcting the premise of the OP |
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