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Katzenjammer (541 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-25-06 08:10 AM Original message |
What's wrong with this thesis? "Min wage should not be raised if small busnesses fail" |
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unblock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-25-06 08:16 AM Response to Original message |
1. what's wrong with this thesis: "small businesses should not be permitted to thrive on low wages" |
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SharonAnn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-28-06 01:30 PM Response to Reply #1 |
68. Small businesses should not be permitted to thrive by slavery. |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-29-06 08:19 AM Response to Reply #68 |
78. Those are two completely and utterly different claims. |
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stansnark (106 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-25-06 08:29 AM Response to Original message |
2. does any business have a constitutional right to earn a profit ? |
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Starlight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-25-06 08:45 AM Response to Reply #2 |
8. Slavery is illegal. If a business doesn't make enough money to afford to hire employees, they |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-29-06 08:22 AM Response to Reply #8 |
79. That's not relevant. |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-25-06 09:47 AM Response to Reply #2 |
19. They have a right to earn a profit |
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Infinite Hope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-25-06 03:48 PM Response to Reply #2 |
40. Helping a family succeed is the point of minimum wage increases. If that hurts small businesses, it |
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Debs (723 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-27-06 04:06 AM Response to Reply #2 |
52. The word PROFIT |
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cornermouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-25-06 08:29 AM Response to Original message |
3. Here's a question for you. |
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sam sarrha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-25-06 09:47 AM Response to Reply #3 |
18. the Dow Jones is an indicator of that situation.. how much the poor are screwed |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-25-06 08:32 AM Response to Original message |
4. Most of those "minimum" wages are paid to illegals, though not all |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-28-06 04:13 PM Response to Reply #4 |
69. Why would an employer pay an illegal worker minimum wage? |
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iamjoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-25-06 08:36 AM Response to Original message |
5. I Feel Bad For Small Business Owners |
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cornermouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-25-06 08:42 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Eliminate the minimum wage? |
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stonecoldsober (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-25-06 09:59 AM Response to Reply #6 |
24. If it's the law, then 'they' will just have to go to prison |
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The Count (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-25-06 08:48 AM Response to Reply #5 |
9. And while at it, mandate that workers work for no wages when Mom&Pop |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-25-06 09:44 AM Response to Reply #5 |
17. Do you have a small business? |
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iamjoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-25-06 10:48 AM Response to Reply #17 |
27. But That's What I'm Saying |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-25-06 03:34 PM Response to Reply #17 |
39. HEALTHCARE IS THE PROBLEM |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-25-06 09:54 AM Response to Reply #5 |
20. That might work |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-25-06 12:33 PM Response to Reply #5 |
34. Maybe then my wife can draw as much as she pays her employees. |
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The Count (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-25-06 08:45 AM Response to Original message |
7. 1ST THING WRONG: WHO'S DEFINING "SMALL"? |
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sam sarrha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-25-06 09:36 AM Response to Reply #7 |
13. a .."Small" Business is one making under something like $20,000,000 gross annually.. they redefine |
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The Count (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-25-06 10:51 AM Response to Reply #13 |
29. Don't like minimum wage? become a billionaire! And have some cake with that |
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zanne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-27-06 12:49 PM Response to Reply #7 |
56. That's a very good question. |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-25-06 08:56 AM Response to Original message |
10. as the former owner of a small business -- a little clothing store -- |
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spooky3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-25-06 09:41 AM Response to Reply #10 |
15. you raise really good points |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-25-06 09:57 AM Response to Reply #10 |
22. You've got that right |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-26-06 05:05 PM Response to Reply #10 |
48. I worked as a bartender for a family business--a comedy club--for two years... |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-26-06 08:37 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. yeah -- i've ben a bartender as well. |
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Gman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-25-06 08:57 AM Response to Original message |
11. How do you know if small businesses fail without raising the MW? |
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sam sarrha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-25-06 09:41 AM Response to Reply #11 |
16. go Google the small business admin and see what they define as Small.. it is in the million$, they |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-25-06 09:07 AM Response to Original message |
12. They're exempt from Min. Wage legislation. I worked for the NYMets for below.... |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-25-06 09:36 AM Response to Original message |
14. Small businesses can fail for many reasons |
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sam sarrha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-25-06 09:58 AM Response to Reply #14 |
23. sounds like you are referring to 'Cottage Industry', SBA has another definition for small business |
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eallen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-25-06 10:27 AM Response to Reply #14 |
25. Most businesses are destined to fail, for reasons that can't be foreseen. |
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librechik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-25-06 09:56 AM Response to Original message |
21. aaccording to their side, NOBODY is actually getting paid min wage |
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zalinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-25-06 10:47 AM Response to Original message |
26. Most small businesses pay above min wage |
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donsu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-25-06 10:50 AM Response to Original message |
28. it's been proven that raising minimum wage raises everybody up even |
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On the Road (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-25-06 11:02 AM Response to Original message |
30. You Know, I Hadn't Realized That |
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Lucky Luciano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-25-06 11:04 AM Response to Original message |
31. I have never heard of min wage increases |
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msongs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-25-06 11:36 AM Response to Original message |
32. most small business fails due to incompetent management or under funding nt |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-25-06 11:50 AM Response to Original message |
33. if a business model does not support at least minimum wage income for its employees |
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Coaster City (38 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-25-06 02:00 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. The Grinch that Stole Christmas |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-25-06 06:35 PM Response to Reply #36 |
41. the unconscionable fact is |
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NotGivingUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-26-06 03:21 AM Response to Reply #41 |
45. totally agree |
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enough already (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-27-06 09:50 PM Response to Reply #41 |
64. We need a Prez candidate with the balls to say exactly this |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-29-06 08:28 AM Response to Reply #41 |
80. No, it isn't, at least not in terms of the morality of the employer. |
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Kber (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-25-06 12:56 PM Response to Original message |
35. Wanna help small businesses? Three words |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-25-06 02:03 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. bingo |
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MGKrebs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-25-06 02:21 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. Global economy is changing that attitude. |
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renie408 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-25-06 06:54 PM Response to Reply #35 |
43. Amen |
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renie408 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-25-06 06:52 PM Response to Original message |
42. I have been pondering it.... |
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Lone_Wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-26-06 01:56 AM Response to Original message |
44. I believe it's called a false dilemma... |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-26-06 06:36 AM Response to Original message |
46. We're basically at full employment, therefore I'm really not that concerned |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-29-06 12:59 AM Response to Reply #46 |
74. We're at full employment? You really believe that? |
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robcon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-26-06 09:16 AM Response to Original message |
47. Small businesses fail all the time. Most of them do not survive. |
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SanCristobal (303 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-26-06 07:50 PM Response to Original message |
49. The minimum wage doesn't hurt business nearly as much... |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-27-06 04:08 AM Response to Reply #49 |
53. did the dittomasters tell you that? |
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zalinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-27-06 10:54 AM Response to Reply #53 |
54. Yes, especially for CEO's |
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SanCristobal (303 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-27-06 07:04 PM Response to Reply #53 |
58. Of course I would say no to capped salaries. |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-27-06 07:41 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. How about removing the cap |
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SanCristobal (303 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-28-06 02:09 AM Response to Reply #59 |
65. I'm not sure what you mean. |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-29-06 03:33 PM Response to Reply #65 |
81. You do know that Horatio Alger was a fictional character, don't you? |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-28-06 04:27 PM Response to Reply #58 |
71. Because in the meantime, while you're striving to get rich... |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-27-06 08:18 PM Response to Reply #49 |
62. That is a flat out proven LIE. |
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SanCristobal (303 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-28-06 11:20 PM Response to Reply #62 |
72. That is entirely untrue. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-29-06 12:39 AM Response to Reply #72 |
73. Argument by anecdote |
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SanCristobal (303 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-29-06 01:56 AM Response to Reply #73 |
76. Thanks for the response, |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-29-06 03:55 PM Response to Reply #76 |
82. "Realized it was true" |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-29-06 01:28 AM Response to Reply #72 |
75. No, what you claim are LIES and is NOT TRUE. |
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SanCristobal (303 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-29-06 02:06 AM Response to Reply #75 |
77. Read reply #73 |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-28-06 04:25 PM Response to Reply #49 |
70. So efficiency is..... bad. Is that right? |
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gulliver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-26-06 08:08 PM Response to Original message |
50. Let's see the spreadsheet. |
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appal_jack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-27-06 11:42 AM Response to Original message |
55. no mention of agriculture here, yet... |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-27-06 07:44 PM Response to Reply #55 |
60. I would be willing to pay more for my food |
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appal_jack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-28-06 01:14 PM Response to Reply #60 |
66. Right On: Local Ag for Living Landscapes & Wages! |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-27-06 01:06 PM Response to Original message |
57. Each time the minimum wage is raised, this argument is trotted out |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-27-06 08:00 PM Response to Original message |
61. Because that premise has been proven FALSE many times over. |
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enough already (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-27-06 09:40 PM Response to Original message |
63. Any small business owner paying under the table needs to jailed |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-28-06 01:24 PM Response to Original message |
67. Because the premise is false. n/t |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-29-06 04:02 PM Response to Original message |
83. The people at the bottom of the wage scale don't make the decisions |
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