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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 03:05 AM
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Candidates on the issues: Gay rights
GAY RIGHTS: Do you think gay couples should have the right to enter civil unions that would qualify them for the usual federal benefits of marriage, such as Social Security survivor payments?

Democrats:

Wesley Clark: "Yes. Equal rights under the law is one of the fundamental tenets of our democracy. Moreover, it is in the best interest of America to promote stable communities and families -- this includes both heterosexual and same-sex families. Accordingly, I believe that same-sex couples should not be denied rights to pensions, health insurance, family medical leave, bereavement leave, hospital visitation, survivor benefits, and other basic legal protections that all families and children need that heterosexual couples enjoy."

Howard Dean: "As governor of Vermont, I was proud to sign the first law in the country granting same-gender couples the right to enter into civil unions. This law guarantees lesbian and gay couples the same basic legal rights that married couples enjoy: the right to inherit property, obtain child custody, visit a partner in the hospital, and control a partner's affairs upon death. As president, I will work to provide equal rights under federal law."

Sen. John Edwards: "I believe in the equal dignity of all Americans and support partnership benefits for gays and lesbians in long-term relationships. States should be free to decide if they want to create civil unions with benefits akin to marriage. If states establish these civil unions, then the federal government should respect their decision and offer benefits along these lines."

Sen. John Kerry: "I strongly support civil unions. I believe same-sex couples should be granted full and equal protection under the law, including access to health insurance, family medical leave, bereavement leave, hospital visitation, survivor benefits, and other basic legal protections that all families deserve. I have always believed in extending equal protections and equal rights to all Americans without regard to race, religion, creed, or sexual orientation."

Rep. Dennis Kucinich: "I endorse a comprehensive nondiscrimination policy, including nondiscrimination based on gender identity. My overriding philosophy is that same-sex couples and opposite-sex couples should be equal in the eyes of the law, including in marriage. All benefits and legal entitlements available to heterosexuals should be available to gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgendered Americans, including equal treatment under Social Security survivor benefits, spousal benefits, and adoption rights. I support domestic partner benefits for same-sex partners of employees, such as health insurance coverage and hospital visitation rights."



http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2004/01/27/politics1500EST0695.DTL
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windansea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 03:10 AM
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1. only DK walks the walk
My overriding philosophy is that same-sex couples and opposite-sex couples should be equal in the eyes of the law, including in marriage
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LiberalVoice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 03:12 AM
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2. agreed. n/t
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 05:29 AM
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11. I like DK on this
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ThirdWheelLegend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 03:21 AM
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3. DK leads on this issue...
and 99% of the rest of the issues too.

TWL
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windansea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 03:27 AM
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4. not "electable" though
for the bush lite wing of the democratic party
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aldian159 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 04:34 AM
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6. Just because I don't support DK
Does that make me Bush lite?
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ThirdWheelLegend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 05:05 AM
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7. no...
because I am not allowed to say that in GD'04 or I will get deleted

joke :P

anyway, Who do you support and why, what positions of DK's do you disagree with.

Those are good starting points to a discussion :)

TWL
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 02:04 PM
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10. Which wing is that?
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 06:24 AM
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12. Where Has Kucinich Walked To?
What legislation has he introduced on the matter?
How far past the committee stages has such legislation gotten?
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 08:45 AM
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13. Follow him and see.
Five minutes of browsing netted me this; I'm going to work. I'm sure you can find more if you want to spend the time.

http://www.house.gov/kucinich/issues/civilrights.htm


Bill cosponsored in the 105th Congress:

H.R. 2761- Domestic Partnership Benefits and Obligations Act: This bill extends basic federal benefits (health insurance, life insurance) to same-sex and opposite-sex domestic partners of federal employees.


Letters

February 29, 2000 - Congressman Kucinich co-signed a letter to Members of Congress condemning human rights violations based on sexual orientation.

http://www.kucinich.us/pressreleases/pr_111803.php

Kucinich Applauds Ruling on Same-Sex Marriage
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
November 18, 2003


Presidential Candidate Dennis Kucinich today released the following statement:

"As a candidate for president who publicly supports federal legislation for gay marriage, I applaud the Massachusetts Supreme Court for upholding the civil rights of citizens in their state by ruling it is unconstitutional for the state to deny marriage to gay and lesbian couples. The historic Goodridge et al. v. Department of Public Health decision can light the way for equality for all Americans.

"The effort by members of the Massachusetts state legislature to push a Denial of Marriage Act is a divisive measure. There must be federal protection for civil rights issues. Gay and lesbian couples should have equal protection under civil law. No state has a right to abridge basic rights to privacy. Separate is not equal.

"The right to marry is a civil right that should not be denied. I support federal legislation for civil marriage between same-sex couples. Civil Unions do not provide equal rights to LGBT Americans. According to a 1997 GAO report, civil marriage provides at least 1,049 legal protections and responsibilities from the federal government, including the right to take leave from work to care for a family member, the right to sponsor a spouse for immigration purposes, and Social Security survivor benefits that can make a difference between old age in poverty and old age in security. Civil unions are a kind of limbo with regard to governmental functions performed by both state and federal governments, such as taxation, pension protections, and provision of insurance for families."


http://www.kucinich.us/issues/gayrights.php

Dennis Kucinich's support of equal rights and civil rights for the GLBT community is unsurpassed by any presidential candidate. Indeed, he entered Congress in the mid-'90s after defeating a Republican incumbent by confronting and overcoming GOP "appeals to anti-gay bigotry," in the words of the Harvard Gay and Lesbian Review. The incumbent had sought to make an issue of Kucinich's support for gay rights and support from Barney Frank.

Today, Congressman Kucinich proudly endorses a comprehensive non-discrimination policy, including non-discrimination based on gender identity. His overriding philosophy is that same sex couples and opposite sex couples should be equal in the eyes of the law, including in marriage. All benefits and legal entitlements available to heterosexual couples should be available to homosexual couples.

Kucinich goes further than supporting civil unions for same-sex couples at the state level; he believes that, much like the Civil Rights legislation of the 1960s, federal law should protect civil unions, and that no state has a right to abridge basic rights to privacy. He would support the introduction of federal civil union legislation if the courts do not recognize this intrinsic right.

He supports equal treatment of same-sex couples under Social Security survivor benefits and spousal benefits. He supports equal adoption rights regardless of sexual orientation or gender identity. Ultimately, he believes gays should be allowed to marry, as a matter of "equality and justice and fairness," as he told the Boston Globe (4/26/03).


<snip>




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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 09:01 AM
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14. HR 2761
found it on Thomas:

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d105:1:./temp/~bdlolo:@@@N|/bss/d105query.html|

COSPONSORS(27), BY DATE : (Sort: alphabetical order)


Rep Lowey, Nita M. - 10/29/1997
Rep Norton, Eleanor Holmes - 10/29/1997
Rep Furse, Elizabeth - 10/29/1997
Rep Pelosi, Nancy - 10/29/1997
Rep Lantos, Tom - 10/29/1997
Rep Meehan, Martin T. - 10/29/1997
Rep Filner, Bob - 10/29/1997
Rep Maloney, Carolyn B. - 10/29/1997
Rep Delahunt, William D. - 10/29/1997
Rep Nadler, Jerrold - 10/29/1997
Rep Olver, John W. - 10/29/1997
Rep Schumer, Charles E. - 10/29/1997
Rep Rivers, Lynn N. - 10/29/1997
Rep Velazquez, Nydia M. - 10/29/1997
Rep Kennedy, Patrick J. - 10/29/1997
Rep Wynn, Albert Russell - 10/29/1997
Rep Lewis, John - 10/31/1997
Rep Gutierrez, Luis V. - 10/31/1997
Rep McKinney, Cynthia A. - 11/6/1997
Rep Gejdenson, Sam - 11/7/1997
Rep Blagojevich, Rod R. - 11/7/1997
Rep Woolsey, Lynn C. - 11/12/1997
Rep Waxman, Henry A. - 11/13/1997
Rep Kucinich, Dennis J. - 2/25/1998
Rep Towns, Edolphus - 4/1/1998
Rep Owens, Major R. - 5/20/1998
Rep Blumenauer, Earl - 9/11/1998

Kucinich should be applauded for his support. It shall also be noted that Kucinich wasn't exactly jumping on it compared to, say, Nancy Pelosi. It shall also be noted the bill never made it out of committee.

In short, Dennis talks the talk, but for walking, he needs a firmer pair of shoes.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 10:09 PM
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15. You mean Pelosi,
the rep from my state?

I'm glad to see her on the list.

Of course, she isn't running for president.

The only other candidate who would have supported that legislation is Gep, and he's not on the list.

Of the remaining candidates who could have introduced legislation, did Kerry or Edwards? How is their shoe leather? Did they get anything out of committee?
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Laughing Mirror Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 04:28 AM
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5. also from same article, so as not to leave anybody out
Al Sharpton: "Unequivocally, I think they should have the right. I think it's a human right. Unless people are prepared to say, 'You're not human beings,' they should be afforded what any other human being should be afforded. That's like you asking, 'Do I think blacks or Latinos or other members of the human family should have the right?"'

and get a load of this:

"I'm the only candidate that, whether I win or lose, I can perform a gay marriage, and I will do that."

http://www.ngltf.org/electioncenter/Sharpton.pdf
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ThirdWheelLegend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 05:09 AM
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8. I love Al!
Edited on Tue Feb-10-04 05:10 AM by ThirdWheelLegend
He is my second choice behind DK. Two people that would actually make me excited to go to the polls and vote. Rather than the usual "Oh well, might as well go vote for the lesser of two evils AGAIN..." voting days.


TWL
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-04 01:45 PM
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9. I only left Al out because of the copyright rules.
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