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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-30-06 08:50 PM
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Let's recap the REAL reason we are suffering a Bush2 administration and their wars
Edited on Thu Nov-30-06 08:54 PM by blm
http://consortiumnews.com/2006/111106.html


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If the full story of George H.W. Bush’s role in secret deals with Iraq and Iran had ever been made public, the Bush Family’s reputation would have been damaged to such a degree that George W. Bush’s candidacy would not have been conceivable.

Not only did Clinton inadvertently clear the way for the Bush restoration, but the Right’s political ascendancy wiped away much of the Clinton legacy, including a balanced federal budget and progress on income inequality. A poorly informed American public also was easily misled on what to do about U.S. relations with Iraq and Iran.

In retrospect, Clinton’s tolerance of Reagan-Bush cover-ups was a lose-lose-lose – the public was denied information it needed to understand dangerous complexities in the Middle East, George W. Bush built his presidential ambitions on the nation’s fuzzy memories of his dad, and Republicans got to enact a conservative agenda.

Clinton’s approach also reflected a lack of appreciation for the importance of truth in a democratic Republic. If the American people are expected to do their part in making sure democracy works, they need to be given at least a chance of being an informed electorate.

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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-30-06 08:55 PM
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1. Thank you.
The entire Iran/Contra crimes were swept away. All gone. Nice and tidy. No crimes.

James Baker illegally had the State Department revisit Bill Clinton's mother's passport which was a felony to have done so during the 1992 campaign. And yet, Bill was later cool with it all.

Bill Clinton, for all the good he has done (and he has) is still the guy who flew back to Arkansas during the primaries of 1992 to make sure that a mentally challenged prisoner was executed. After the execution, which made Bill look "tough on crime", the guards found a note in the prisoner's cell thanking Bill Clinton.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-30-06 09:02 PM
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2. Sad part is after 8yrs of tumult all the good that WAS done was dismantled
Edited on Thu Nov-30-06 09:02 PM by blm
within Bush's first term. So 8yrs of the entire Dem party paying the price for the misdeeds left us with little to show for it, and a Bush2 administration to make matters even worse.

The Dem party has fought and struggled for 12 years - 12 long years. It didn't have to happen.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-30-06 09:21 PM
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3. The Mena airport
While John Kerry had painstakingly gone after Iran/Contra crimes orchestrated by V.P. George H.W. Bush (which is why Nancy Reagan has such low regard for the Bushes), the cocaine from Central America that was being sold on the streets of American cities (primarily to minorities) was being channeled here through a little airport in Arkansas: The Mena Airport.

Arms to Iran for illegal bucks for the Contras, cocaine on American streets for bucks for bucks for the Contras.

John Kerry's work during Iran Contra later was all undermined by a Governor who has still never addressed what went on down there during those days. And you wonder why it was all dropped?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-30-06 09:36 PM
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4. makes Hillary's scolding of Kerry for a dropped pronoun even more insidious.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-30-06 09:44 PM
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-30-06 10:11 PM
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8. That's pretty much it.
Edited on Thu Nov-30-06 10:12 PM by blm
And THAT is what we have spent 14 yrs as a party paying for.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-30-06 10:41 PM
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-30-06 10:45 PM
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14. I heard that back when I lived in LA at the time. Reagan's kids at the time
Edited on Thu Nov-30-06 10:46 PM by blm
told some of their friends that is what they believed, too, that Bush was behind the assasination attempt.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 02:35 PM
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24. You don't mean John "Had Dinner Plans with Neil" Hinckley, do you?
The family of the man charged with trying to assassinate President Reagan is acquainted with the family of Vice President George Bush and had made large contributions to his political campaign, the Houston Post reported today.


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Scott Hinckley, brother of John W. Hinckley Jr., who allegedly shot Reagan, was to have dined tonight in Denver at the home of Neil Bush, one of the vice president's sons.
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Neil Bush

The newspaper said in a copyright story, Scott Hinckley, brother of John W. Hinckley Jr., who allegedly shot Reagan, was to have dined tonight in Denver at the home of Neil Bush, one of the vice president's sons.
The newspaper said it was unable to reach Scott Hinckley, vice president of his father's Denver-based firm, Vanderbilt Energy Corp., for comment. Neil Bush lives in Denver, where he works for Standard Oil Co. of Indiana.

In 1978, Neil served as campaign manager for his brother, George W. Bush, the vice president's oldest son, who made an unsuccessful bid for Congress. Neil lived in Lubbock throughout much of 1978, where John Hinckley lived from 1974 through 1980.

On Monday, Neil Bush said he did not know if he had ever met 25-year-old John Hinckley.


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From what I know and I've heard, they (the Hinckleys) are a very nice family and have given a lot of money to the Bush campaign."
SHARON BUSH
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"I have no idea," he said. "I don't recognize any pictures of him. I just wish I could see a better picture of him.


Here in Reality


"I have no idea"...wasn't this the response given by Neil when asked about the prostitutes who came to his door wanting sex for no money?

The women, he said, simply knocked on the door of his hotel room, entered and had sex with him. He said he did not know if they were prostitutes because they never asked for money and he did not pay them.

"Mr. Bush, you have to admit it's a pretty remarkable thing for a man just to go to a hotel room door and open it and have a woman standing there and have sex with her," Brown said.

"It was very unusual," Bush said.

Other presidential siblings of the past have generated controversy, among them Billy Carter, who marketed "Billy Beer" to cash in on brother Jimmy's presidency, and more recently Roger Clinton, who was accused of trying to broker pardons at the end of President Clinton's administration.


CNN

Oh, wait! It was "it was very unusual..."
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 03:54 PM
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26. Yeah...that's it... "a little unusual" was the extent of corpmedia's concern.
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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-30-06 10:30 PM
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10. Randi Rhodes was particularly good today on the whole history
of the crap from VietNam on, and did a good job pointing out the role of Lee Hamilton, Mr. Bipartisanship who shows up on every "commission" from Iran Contra to 911, a sellout Democrat all the way.

I heard her just before I went in to see "Bobby"....Bobby "got it", was prescient.....and he was removed so that the shits could continue to screw us all....
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-30-06 10:40 PM
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12. It has been one long connected stream of events with a common denominator
and it would take a complete coincidence theorist to think every event happened entirely independent of the other.

Now that they control so much of the broadcast media they don't have to rely on bullets to neutralize opposition, when they can marginalize their voices in a public way.

Take away Lee Hamilton and Bill Clinton, and this country would have done the right thing and exposed and removed these thugs as part of their constitutional duty.
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Morgana LaFey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 10:52 PM
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30. same thing is true of the voting machines and vote suppression
techniques they've accumulated:

they don't have to rely on bullets to neutralize opposition,

And please don't forget -- or worse, dismiss -- tried and true and elegant methods such as small plane crashes, or crude but effective methods like what happened to James Hadfield or Cliff Baxter (i.e., getting suicided).
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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 01:49 PM
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22. Glad to hear Randi exposing this stuff.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 03:48 PM
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25. I can't believe ANY media has brought this up. Sorry I missed it.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 08:26 PM
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28. Gloria - are there transcripts available, or somewhere to hear past shows?
It's still hard for me to believe alot of this stuff is finally being discussed on AIR. Heh...you know how I get about the media neglect.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-30-06 09:47 PM
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6. Poppy's and St. Ronnie's crimes going unpunished is why I'm an impeachment hawk now
We are MORAL and DUTY BOUND to punish the biggest crimes in the bmost obvious way.

Impeach, remove, charge, try, convict, imprison.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-30-06 10:00 PM
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7. The shame is that people try to make it a political football instead of seeing it as
Edited on Thu Nov-30-06 10:02 PM by blm
a duty to the constitution that should be UNAVOIDABLE.

The fact that the good part of Clinton's legacy was dismantled within Bush's first term is PROOF that there is no longterm gain to be had from shortsighted political moves.
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-30-06 10:14 PM
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9. Good point, but I don't know if it's the ONLY significant reason
The 90,000 or so voters in Florida who were purged, and who would have gone heavily for Gore, had a bit to do with it, too.

However I agree that Clinton let the BFEE off the hook and if he hadn't, the world would look a whole lot different today.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-30-06 10:35 PM
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11. Those votes wouldn't have mattered in 2000. GOP would NEVER have gotten close for
Edited on Thu Nov-30-06 10:54 PM by blm
at least a generation worth of elections.
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jaysunb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 12:20 AM
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16. Great thread!
Edited on Fri Dec-01-06 12:21 AM by jaysunb
:hi:

When the story is told we'll find all the Manchurian Candidates-- there have been several-- and what roles they've played over the past 50 years or so. They've come from many segments of society, and have done inexplicable things for the most flimsy " supposed " reasons.

Hinckley : for Jodie Fosters love.
Sirhan : to save Palestine
Oswald : ever shifting explanations....

But there's that common thread -- the CIA & George H.W. Bush.

I hope to see a Truth Commission in my life time.

K&R
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 09:07 AM
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19. Don't forget the 'sniper' who kept DC press corps distracted before 2002 elections
to add to the sense of "Oh George Bush please protect us, we're so scared" that the media was passing down to the public.

I know YOU know exactly what I mean.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 12:12 AM
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15. Recommended. People wishing to practice
a pragmatic form of politics (what was once called "realpolitik") should be informed about how Clinton's choices eventually meant that all his accomplishments as president were either compromised or cataclysmically reversed because the Iran-Contra players were not held accountable.

:thumbsup:
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 04:00 PM
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27. This article should be required reading in any political science class.
You would also think that every Democrat in DC should have it memorized by now.
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AJ9000 Donating Member (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 02:56 AM
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17. When are gonna wise-up and create a real media?
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 03:03 AM
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18. My thoughts exactly. n/t
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 09:11 AM
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20. Robert Parry is a REAL investigative reporter which is why BushInc had him fired
and pretty much blackballed. Clinton administration had Gary Webb persecuted by his own peers on the CIA drugrunning story that came out in 1995 - CIA documents later proved Webb's story was EXACTLY RIGHT. But that never made the front page, did it? Neither did his recent suicide.
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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 01:45 PM
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21. K&R. Parry nails it again. Representative Henry Gonzalez
Edited on Fri Dec-01-06 01:50 PM by happydreams
was astounded to see all of his work exposing Poppy's crimes go unpunished.

Maybe the fascists got to Clinton and gave him "an offer he couldn't refuse".

BTW: Henry Gonzalez was also threatened in the San Antonio by Hunt Oil Family thugs.

For an interesting read google: Iraqgate+Gonzalez
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 02:00 PM
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23. No surprise he still gets big creds from me as a top anti-corruption voice.
He and Joe Moakley may have passed on but they left some fires still burning in the anti-corruption, open government wing of the Democratic party.
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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 03:37 PM
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32. Actually Robert Parry's book: "Fooling America" cites
Gonzalez's airport incident. Parry interviewed him. :hi:
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 06:15 PM
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33. Hey back - - You would think that Parry would be required reading for ANY
student of government or political science. Maybe the Dem party needs to groom some speakers who can influence and educate the upcoming classes using the TRUTH for a change. That's how the RW has operated for years, but, of course, they've been establishing lies to counter all the factual information out there in the historic record.
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 10:21 PM
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29. I'll tell you who cleared the way for W: Baker, Jeb and Katherine.
Oh, and do not let me ever forget the 5 Supreme Court un-Justices.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 09:53 AM
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31. Stopping BushInc was a certainty in 1993 - W shouldn't have been able to run in 1994
in Texas, and Jeb shouldn't have been able to run in Florida.

There would BE NO Bush powerstructure still alive in 1994 or or for the 2000 campaign had Clinton made the honest choice for this country.
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