Clark Folk: IF Clark drops out my support will go 2(insert drum-roll here)

[xultar]

Dennis Kucinich and or Howard Dean

(insert cymbal crash here)

I used to really dig Kerry, but as I moved along I really became overly conscious of the fact that I don't think Kerry will be able to pull off a win in the GE.


To be honest with you I don't think DK or HD will be able to either. I honestly feel deep down in my heart and soul, down to my DNA that Clark is the only candidate that can beat GWB.

I liked Kerry when he was the underdog. Now that he is the inevitable nominee he has changed. Kerry seems too over "polished". HE seems to be talking more in sound-bites and 1 liners. From my POV one liners don't have depth enough to base a vote. His best moment for me was when he spoke @ the FL Dem convention. That is where I took my second look. Then after NH I looked again and I didn't like what I saw. That is too bad cuz he was in a tie for 2nd with DK on my list.

Now my ranking is as follows:
Clark
DK, HD
Kerry
Edwards
Sharpton


This isn't a Kerry Slam or flame-bait. For the last 2 weeks or so I have been a little wobbly and unsteady thinking. OK. I've come out Great cuz Kerry is @ the tops of my list. Should he become the nominee I'll feel pretty good. Now, though, things are a little different.

I just remember back-n-the-day when people were accusing Clark of being the DLC darling and attacking him on it. Now that the dust has settled, it is clear he had no DLC support @ all. Ironic Ahe?

:crazy: I'm so confused.

Can I get some help puhleezzz...


(edited to make sense...partially

[phillybri]

1. Kerry

n/t

[RobertSeattle]

2. Kerry

In WA in the caucuses when Clark didn't get the required 15% the Clark Supporters became Kerry Supporters...

(And if Dean had won big in Iowa, I contend many of the the Kerry Supporters would have become Clark Supporters , but that's the way it goes...)

[xultar]

9. Change your reference to Clark Supporters and Kerry Supporters

you'll get a warning...

I know even if it is positive...it is still a no no in GD2k4

I don't want you to get a warning

[PROGRESSIVE1]

3. If Clark drops out, then I will PROUDLY go to Kerry!

:kick:

[Bread and Circus]

4. Reluctantly, Kerry...I guess....( looking down, sweeping foot)...

kinda...sorta...

[Kahuna]

29. LOL, Doc. See my post below.

:pals:

Dems are gonna so regret this pack mentality. I don't want to have to say, I told you so.

[leftchick]

45. No.....

Shit!..... It is very hard to argue with this contrast:

[Leilani]

55. Love the General!

I'm a One-Man Woman!

Light the candles!

[Red_Storm]

5. DK

Kerry? .......NEVER

[jeter]

6. xultar logic...

...used to like Kerry. But doesn't think he can win.

So if Clark withdraws, he's supporting Kucinich or Dean.

The two most likely winners of the general election I guess.

[xultar]

11. I'm a she...I'm going on principal...here that is why I'm still supporting

Clark, I like him and I think he can win. If I can't have what I want then I will do what makes my soul feel good. Especially where DK is concerned.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

38. I go on principle too

The principle of defeating Bush

[jmoss]

7. what about...

I know the General has been taking some shots at him lately, but why not throw your support towards Sen Edwards if your hopeful drops out. I, too, admire John Kerry, but I think he needs some tough competition all the way through June (or as close as possible). Edwards, although DK did pass him by a few points in Maine & Wash, WILL pick up some serious delegates between now and March 3rd. I suppose you could see him as the epitome of "polished", but he, DK, and HD do not differ so very much on their core beliefs. DK & HD are certainly more progressive than JRE, but edwards DOES present a strong opponent to GW, either as Pres. or VP candidat!!!

[xultar]

14. I used to like Edwards, but the attitude of some Edwards supporters

after IA really dissapointed me. Not only were they rude but then accused Clark supporters of being rude. :nuke: I hit the atmosphere I was so angry. :grr: At this point no. I can't support Edwards.

Now let's look at experience, from my point of view. Edwards has none. HE's a first term senator and hasn't been in the service and has no experience on international affairs and foreign policy, and he voted for IWR and Patriot Act.

Not to mention I can tell his disgust when speaking about Gays. Edwards isn't as left as I want him to be.


I think Edwards would be a great VeeP. He does not have enough experience to be president, yet.

[jmoss]

57. respectfully disagree

1) if you think Edwards would be a great VP, then wouldn't that infer trust in him as President?

2) Any hint of calling Clark-supporters rude has merit. Clark's campaign manager rudly leaked Edwards' announcing his candidacy to the press, in a blatent move to dilute JRE's biggest news day.

Edwards has run nothing but a positive campaign.

Furthermore, although he IS against gay marriage, he has openly supported States' rights to decide the matter (ie. supports MA's decision).

Obviously I'm a strong John Edwards supporter.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

8. If Dean leaves, I lean to Clark/Kucinich n/t

[x-g.o.p.er]

10. You think Dean or DK

has a better chance of beating Bush than Kerry does? What makes you think that?

MAYBE if the press would get off the "I have a scream" speech rhetoric, and really concentrate on the issues,he hight have a decent shot. But that is a big if.

Kucinich has no prayer at all. Sorry, just being a realist here, IMHO.

[maddezmom]

12. the nominee

Wes Clark is my choice and if he doesn't go the distance, I'll throw my support behind the nominee. But won't be joining any other camp to stop Kerry. I was pissed when someone started the STOPDEAN movement, and won't be a part of anything else like it in the future.

[grisvador]

13. DK

Has my vote on issues ... after Clark. I will vote based on issues regardless of electability. Sure, you may argue I am throwing my vote
away - it is mine to do with as I will - and I will vote for Clark /Dennis /Edwards/ Kerry because of their stance on issues

[Jerseycoa]

15. If Clark drops out

Way to go for morale the day before a primary. Way to go. :eyes:

:puke:

[xultar]

18. Awwww come on, you know how torn I had to be to post this thread

honestly I'm :puke: also. I have got to get this out in the open though.

[Jerseycoa]

20. Call a friend

:nopity:

[mmonk]

16. DK

[_NorCal_D_]

17. I would vote for Kucinich

:bounce:

[robbedvoter]

19. CLARK AIN"T GOING ANYWHERE!

How about making some calls to voters rather than contingency plans? he is there for us and deserves better.

[mmonk]

21. We know

just answering the question.

[BootinUp]

22. I Can't Hear You! LA LA LA LA LA LA :)

[Jack_Dawson]

30. LOL - agree completely

[Jerseycoa]

23. Clark supporters

If you need a break from phone calling and letter writing (or bitching and moaning) Tom has a thread for you:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=297969

[maddezmom]

25. thanks for posting Tom's link

feeling a bit down, so I skipped it at first. But boy. I'm glad I read it. Wes can Win and we all have to keep believing. :)

[Jerseycoa]

26. Calling Tennessee? Invite to free concert and rally

Leave it on voicemail and message machines, as well.

Nashville, TN
8:00 pm - Wesley Clark Greets Nashville Supporters With Country Star Jamie O'Neal
Capitol Ballroom
Sheraton Hotel
623 Union Street
Nashville, TN

[HoosierClarkie]

35. That is a great Idea!!

Will do! :)

[grisvador]

24. Hoping Clark stays in...

I want to SING those Second Ballot Blues

[David Zephyr]

27. This Is A Trend That Seems to Be Happening On Its Own.

There are aleady a large number of delegates who will show up in Boston from the Dean, Clark, Kucinich and Sharpton camps. These delegates will be vocal and visible about the War and the Patriot Act.

There's nothing any of us can do about it. It just is the way it is.

[Kahuna]

28. Kerry over Edwards...

No offense Edwards people. Edwards is a nice guy. But other than that I can't think of one reason to vote for him. I really can't see what he brings to the table. I can't see what Kerry brings to the table either. But at least Kerry has a lot of knowledge about issues.

[jmoss]

59. The table.....

John Edwards Brings to the table.....

1) Sits on Senate Intelligence Committee.

2) 20 years experience as lawyer, fighting for regular people like my wife and me, against underhanded HMO & other corporate practices, allowing justice to prevail.

3) Is the candidate the Karl Rove, et. a.l, are most afraid of--JRE doesn't have a storied past in Washington (i.e. as does Kerry), that they can muck-rake.

4) Has strong appeal in key swing States, not just "Democratic usuals" (i.e. will very likely take several of SC, TN, NC, VA, etc; in General Election).

..........He needs your support!! He can take back the Whitehouse!

[Cogito]

31. kerry

If Clark is out then it is time to move on in a United Front against Bush. Kerry is way ahead of the other candidates in the head to head polls versus Bush including Clark. So, Kerry it is.

[liberalmike27]

32. Clark

If Clark drops out, I think his support would go to Dean mostly, since he entered the race on Dean's borrowed (stolen perhaps )platform. He changed it a bit after that.

I think at this point, other than perhaps Kucinich's voters were he to drop out, that ideology seems out the window, and being the leader, or ahead in the polls will bring a certain number of voters to Kerry, no matter who drops out. And that is a sad testiment to Democrats. They are proving quite malleable, useful clay to the molding-media.

[Crunchy Frog]

33. If he drops out

I will probably make a donation to Kucinich, then just support the nominee (I'm assuming Kerry, but Edwards if it turns out to be him).

[Eurobabe]

34. Kooch

I am actually at war with my brain right now over the primary tomorrow.

[pezcore64]

36. Well

Well if that were to happen, id hope youd join on in at the Dean camp!
obviously since im a supporter!

I know if Dean drops before clark, ill be going with him.

Either way you should be happy, both DK and HD are great men!

GO DEAN!
GO CLARK!

[kerry-is-my-prez]

37. Kerry - He's the most liberal and he's the best choice to beat Bush

n/t

[mot78]

39. If he drops out I'll be neutral and not support a specific candidate

I like Kerry and Edwards, but I also have reservations about fully supporting them. I don't want Dean to get nominated though.

[jmoss]

58. Please don't remain silent!

Then vote!!!

All do respect, support someone! I'm a strong Edwards supporter. But I won't stay home if he doesn't make it until my Primary. I'm 1st and foremost, not a Republican!!!

[Jerseycoa]

40. Clark says he is NOT dropping out (in case anyone wonders)

Asked several times if he would be ending his campaign soon if he did not win a primary in the next few weeks, Clark made it sound as if he had just begun to fight.

"Of course I am staying in," Clark said. "I will be here in Wisconsin on Wednesday."

http://www.gmtoday.com/news/local_stories/2004/February_04/02092004_11.asp

[mmonk]

41. He will stay

at the very least through March.

[MoonRiver]

42. Hope he doesn't drop out, but if he does, Kerry is my 2nd choice.

But if I can't have him as president I really, really hope and pray that Clark will be VP. 8 years from now he'll still be young enough to serve our country well as president.

[HoosierClarkie]

43. I do not understand this thread.

:crazy:

Back to calling!!!

[mikehiggins]

44. I don't think he's going to drop out after all. And if he does I'll vote

for the Democratic nominee in November, no matter who it is.

But no matter who it is (unless it's Dennis) nothing will change except the name of the man in the Oval Office.

The K-man and Clark are the only actual agents for change in the mix, and that's a fact, Jack.

[joanski01]

46. You are darn right!

And that's another fact, Jack. Kucinich and Clark are the only actual agents for change in the mix. Right on, mike. Go, Clark.

[jpgpenn]

47. I will probably end up writing in Clark's name!

[Shanty Oilish]

48. Think Clark would appreciate that?

If enough people did that, he'd be characterized as a spoiler in the event of a narrow loss.

[Tweed]

49. Still vote for Clark

He will be on my ballot. I will be honored to vote for him still. That or DK!

[digno dave]

50. Kerry in unelectable and Kicinich isn't? NT

c

[West Coast Democrat]

51. I'll probably write-in Clark

not that it matter, most likely, because the Oregon primary is held in frickin' MAY!! (Not Fair)

[John_H]

52. If Clark Drops out, it's over. Kerry wins.

[goclark]

54. CLARK is still in my heart

I am so upset that the media is bashing CLARK.
As much as I want him to win,if he drops out and Edwards stays in I really like Edwards. Edwards much more than Abe Lincoln, I can't get over it.

Yet,when I do a reality check, I know we need to KEEP OUR EYES ON THE PRIZE. I am willing to look at Abe for 8 years than look at Bush for one more minute.

So, I will support Kerry (or the nominee) 100 % and do everything within my power to get these neocons out of office.

[progressivebydesign]

53. Good choices..

I'm already seeing a buzz that Bush's numbers against Kerry are improving, after Bush's offensive "charm offensive" in the past few days. Let's not hasten the end of this primary season... I love Howard Dean.. but Clark or Edwards may just surprise us yet!

Remember.. if Clinton had dropped out in his first primary at this point.. we'd be.. well.. you know.

[Leilani]

56. No Whining Allowed

in the General's Army!

Think Victory!!!