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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 09:14 AM
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FOX News Sunday - Bizarro World - Chris Wallace badgers Kerry on the botched joke!
Kerry is fighting valiantly, but Chris Wallace won't let go....almost 15 minutes now. Chris is insane.
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 09:15 AM
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1. Kerry should have taken power
If he would have cleansed the Rethuglikkkans after the election that he really won we would be done with them once and for all.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 09:24 AM
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8. Kerry is too polite..
Democrats have to stop being so friendly and learn to take control.
After the first 30sec. Kerry should have said...I'm here to talk to
you about serious matters, Chris. Rather than allow Matthews to
control the direction of the interview.
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 09:29 AM
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10. In a just nation
wallace is in jail or a grave. How dare he talk to John Kerry that way? He is shit.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 09:44 AM
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15. The way Clinton handed Wallace his ass
that's the way to handle these guys and Clinton clearly showed it's OK to do it too...
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 09:51 AM
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20. Yep, it would be great if WJC sold a How To DVD..
called, "Handing Pundits their Asses"
before they hand you yours! :kick:



:dem:
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Bassic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 09:59 AM
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23. I agree.
They should do it way more often.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 11:32 AM
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46. Many people, including myself thought Clinton was ridiculous in
that interview. Getting so worked up and pointing his finger over an honest question. It wasn't an interview as much as an strange attack on Wallace.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 01:24 PM
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70. Hmm. and to the contrary, I liked it!
Clinton opened the door to show how it's done..
Sure, in their defense, initially they went after him
calling it an attack, just like you did. But after the
dust has settled, Clinton came out on TOP!

That's what matters..He didn't make excuses.
He called Wallace out for what he is.. in spades.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 09:39 PM
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85. Only you and other repukes - he didn't get "worked up" and it was PRICELESS...
Edited on Sun Nov-19-06 09:40 PM by TankLV
Clinton SHOWED us all how to handle these jerks...
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 09:48 PM
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86. You may have thought so..
Edited on Sun Nov-19-06 09:49 PM by sendero
... but few folks other that wingnuts agreed with you. Fact is, a man has a right to get pissed off in the face of continual lies and smears. Clinton got pissed and the only thing Kerry could have done better today would have been to have gotten just a bit snarkier after Wallace came at him with the BULLSHIT about that stupid joke for the 6th time.

But all told Kerry got his message across and Wallace looked like the c***-mouthed little shit he is.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 01:29 AM
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94. OH GIVE ME A BREAK
"an honest question"??? BULL F***ING SHIT
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 11:02 AM
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38. Matthews???
Is that a Freudian slip?
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 01:27 PM
Response to Reply #38
72. They're just about synonymous, aren't they?
well, Wallace may be a bit more of a social climbing peasant.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 09:18 AM
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2. WTF is UP with Chris Wallace? Why does he persist in making an ass of himself?
And why does he limit his childish badgering to Democrats?

I'd like to see that putz, who really does look like he was beaten to within an inch of his life with a super-duper ugly stick, go after a Repiglican for a change. But we know that will never happen!
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 09:21 AM
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4. Chris came off as just OUT OF TOUCH w/ REALITY! The "joke" was 3 weeks ago.
We just had a tectonic shift in the political landscape...and EVERY single question in the 20 minute interview was about the joke. Fortunately Kerry, used his answers to say everything he wanted to say about taking America in a new direction, and what the past election signifies.
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globalvillage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 10:29 AM
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31. I agree.
I think Sen Kerry did an excellent job of refocusing to the issues at hand. Wallace looked petty, continuing to point to the joke. The effect was that Wallace proved Kerry's point, the media hypocrisy over a misstatement while there are serious problems to be addressed.
I'm glad he did the interview. We need to keep hammering the issues and solutions to be heard over the spin, and this did exactly that.

Nicely done, Senator.
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 09:20 AM
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3. Oh, good grief. Dumbass FoxBot can't let that go, yet?
Edited on Sun Nov-19-06 09:22 AM by ocelot
Even though it had no evident effect on the elections? Or maybe because it had no effect on the elections, and the Dems kicked ass anyhow, and little Chrissy can't stand it, so he has to yank Kerry's chain about something.

Hey, Chris, don't forget what really happened:
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 09:23 AM
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5. For the life of me, I can't see why this is still an issue. If someone
wanted to see a slight to the troops in the bungled statement that Kerry made, I guess they could find it. However, this incident happened nearly 3 weeks ago! Why do they insist on still making a crisis out of it? It reminded me of a dog worrying an old bone.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 09:50 PM
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87. They are desparate..
... and their desparation is becoming more amusing than threatening.
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bambo53 Donating Member (558 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 09:23 AM
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6. What was he thinking?
He should have known better than to go on that show. Chris is an asshole who just keeps ambushing him and Kerry, for some reason, is simply unable to defend himself. His long winded speeches belong on the senate floor.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 09:28 AM
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9. Uh, you saw that too...n/m
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 09:34 AM
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12. Wallace TRIED to make it an ambush and Kerry turned it around EVERY TIME to
illiustrate who was really at fault and to talk about Iraq - and how Bushies had been getting away from Iraq but the dropped-pronoun-gate backlashed and brought Iraq back into focus.

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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 10:24 AM
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27. Next , it will be, Shuffled Tenses-gate..
:rofl:
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 10:26 AM
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28. I agree
I liked that he just kept reminding Wallace that WE WON and we won on issues that Kerry has been pushing for a long time. Iraq, health care, environment and jobs. He did great and I think the joke is about in the dustbin.
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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 09:24 AM
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7. That yo-yo Wallace is a 'botched joke'.





I feel sorry for poor ole Mike Wallace for having to take responsibility for this POS's existence.




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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 09:30 AM
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11. Chris Wallace is a pissant who has never done anything but
trade on his father's name, when he's not busy stabbing him in the back, that is.
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 09:34 AM
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13. I think it's easy to explain in Freudian terms:
Transference of hostility.

Wallace is still smarting for trying to pull this nonsense of Bill Clinton with his infamous interview with the goal of trying to get Clinton to admit that he and his White House knew about the threat of Al-Quaida and did nothing. And as we all know, Clinton reared up and gave Wallace the smackdown of his career.

Now to get his mojo back, Wallace is vicariously doing "Round Two" with Clinton by way of Kerry, which is no substitute and devoid of logic. And the only thing he has on Kerry is a bad joke. And if a bad joke were worthy of indictment, then keep going and get Jay Leno on Wallace's show and explore jokes that don't explode (in laughter) per se. What Wallace really wants is another bite at the apple with Clinton and could only get Kerry.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 09:45 AM
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17. Who cares WHAT Wallace is smarting from
all he is is a 'dime a dozen' interviewer..

I like John Kerry alot. It's just too bad he
can't stop himself from being a reactionary.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 09:48 AM
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19. A reactionary?????
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 09:40 AM
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14. It still amazes me that any Democrat would agree to an interview on FAUX
Ignore the propaganda network, let the people who are smart enough to figure out the scam send the message. For those who don't, they can't be helped.
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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 09:44 AM
Response to Reply #14
16. Just boycott them, why give them any credence?
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Herman74 Donating Member (429 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 09:47 AM
Response to Reply #14
18. EXACTLY what I was thinking...
...and about to post. Maybe some Democratic politicians believe that they educate Fox's audience by exposing them to truth and reason, but, given how Fox's pundits will strive to distort what you say and focus on the trivial, it's not worth it.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 09:57 AM
Response to Reply #18
21. Democrats need to learn to be the 'driving' party
and if they choose to go on a Fox network show, have
an alternative strategy ready to bury them..

Just as Clinton did. Although, I don't think his response
was premeditated, he is a quick 'on his feet' thinker.
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fuzzyball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 03:05 AM
Response to Reply #21
95. Bill Clinton is the best politician that ever lived....no one comes close
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 03:13 PM
Response to Reply #14
79. I do not agree
and obviously the many democrats that do give interviews on Fox do not agree either. If you have something to say, wouldn't you want those that do not agree with you to have a chance to change their minds? What do you think is a more effective way to change minds, an interview on Fox or posting a journal on Daily Kos?
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oc2002 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 11:31 AM
Response to Reply #14
98. I agree, why give Faux the opportunity to screw you?

It makes no sence and questions anyones judgement to do so.
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Bassic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 09:58 AM
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22. Is that the same guy who tried to badger Clinton,
and then got his ass handed to him?
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 10:19 AM
Response to Reply #22
25. Yep, if Kerry had accomplished the same thing..
it would have been heralded a Perfecta!

"Don't Mess with Democrats!"
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fedupinBushcountry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 10:36 AM
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34. What the hell were you watching?
Because you surely did not get that Kerry got Wallace to STFU and went on to say that D.C. is full of shit. It was Wallace whose voice was trembling.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 10:47 AM
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35. Not at all...nope..
of course, it would have been great if Kerry could have stopped Wallace
after his first reference to the botched joke.

After Kerry finaly rallied to wrest control; Wallace said, 30sec..Senator, and let him finish.

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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 10:52 AM
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36. Kerry talked about Iraq and the need to get a new policy
It's sad that Wallace was stuck on a bad joke. I thought Kerry ruled that interview and did a much better job than Clinton did on his interview weeks ago. (Kerry remained calm and in control without losing his temper and looking like he was going to attack Wallace during the interview.)

Funny, we have different perspectives. I thought it was wonderful that Kerry made the conversation about the troops and about how the policies of this Administration impact the troops. Kerry talked about how the issues of the environment and health care are affecting Americans and how that is what should motivate the new Democratic Congress.

I thought Wallace just looked sad as he pushed his insider points and tried to make it seem like a dropped pronoun was more important than a botched policy in Iraq.

This was a great appearance by Kerry. He made it about the troops, about Americans and not about his response to the media attack. I wish other Dems would do that as well when attacked and not just defend themselves, but defend the Democratic policies.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 10:59 AM
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37. I know..
It's a difficult balance one has to strike to defend oneself and not come across as being defensive.
Kennedy had the knack for it and so did Bobby.. Very seldom did they not exhibit control of the conversation.
If someone tried to poke fun at them, like for instance their (longish) hair-- Bobby would say..
I just got a haircut yesterday... have a laugh and move on.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 11:14 AM
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40. Bobby Kennedy stood for something at the end of his life
He had gone through a remarkable personal journey that sent him from being a counsel on the Judiciary Committee who helped Joe McCarthy with his investigations to an ardent foe of the war. Bobby Kennedy profoundly understood at the end of his life that politics was about something and that he needed to take a strong stand. He is, to me, one of the most interesting politicians of the 20th century because of his incredible personal journey. (Ardent anti-communist and supporter of the Vietnam War to one of the leading voices against that war.)

Kennedy would have been a pinata in today's media. He would have been pummelled for his work on the McCarthy Hearings and his anti-communist views and how that jibed with his later views on war and poverty and so forth. Fox News would have gone after him tooth and nail, as they now go after all Dems who offer dissent from the Republican agenda.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 01:05 PM
Response to Reply #40
68. Kennedy was never anybody's pinata and don't delude
yourself into thinking he would be in todays world.

He was as outspoken and passionate as a man could be
and would have set the likes of a Chris Wallace on his
*ss just as Clinton did..no great feat--just great timing!
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 02:30 PM
Response to Reply #68
74. Back then they assassinated you literally - now they assassinate your character
because they bought control of most media in the 80s and 90s.

More Democrats should act like Bill Clinton when he WAITED FIVE YEARS to counter the attacks on him that he was to blame for 9-11 because he was asleep at the wheel on the terrorism issue - in fact, many have informed me that Clinton was offered Bin Laden on a silver platter three times. These folks also informed me that the Clintons trashed the White House.

Good thing we have the patience and the YEARS to wait to rehab any Democrat after the GOP controlled media gets their way for a few years.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 11:35 AM
Response to Reply #35
48. The botched job question needed to be addressed. It needed an
airing and then it needs to die. Kerry handled it just perfectly.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 01:01 PM
Response to Reply #48
67. If he gave it 30 sec..time..that would have been too much..nm
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 11:32 AM
Response to Reply #25
47. Not the same situation
Edited on Sun Nov-19-06 11:37 AM by karynnj
Clinton did not need to convince anyone not already on his side - and I seriously doubt he did. As soon as the rant began, the style took over from the content. Senator Kerry wanted to reach and speak to people who came in not liking him.

He was able to bring the conversation to the issues that really mattered. He stated the Democratic goals very well and that could benefit Democrats in general - even if they don't like Kerry.

The differences in demeanor were extreme - Kerry while defending himself well was dignified, intelligent, coherent and when speaking about the woman - he came across as completely sincere - his eyes said what his mouth did.

Kerry would have looked like a jerk if he acted as Clinton did. He was right to take responsibility for telling a bad joke and then defended his record on helping veterans. From one answer, he intends to reach out more to veterans. (The fact that he has many MA and NH veterans who have known him for years helps.) I think he took the best position he could in a sticky situation.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 10:02 AM
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24. The question is....
Why did Kerry even go on the show...

Or why didn't he just walk off the set...
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 10:24 AM
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26. He shut him up in the end
He got the Democratic agenda out, his personal policies out, and he didn't let up on the fact that this was nothing more than a Republican machine attack. I think it was a really good first step in getting that stupidity behind him.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 10:27 AM
Response to Reply #26
29. yeah, I guess, in a friendly sort of way..
3/4 of the interview was spent on the botched joke.
The discussion you speak of must have been during the commercial break.
I musta missed it-
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 11:41 AM
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52. Not really - about 3/4 of Wallace's questions were on the joke
Edited on Sun Nov-19-06 11:43 AM by karynnj
but closer to 3/4 of Senator Kerry's answers were on issues of substance - and they were longer than Wallace's soon repetitious questions. (Not to mention that Wallace's head seemed to sink down into his collar near the end making him look like a strange rat-like (or badger like) Alice in Wonderland character.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 10:28 AM
Original message
Democrats should refuse to appear on FAUX news at all.

And they should frequently remind voters WHY they don't agree to be harried by the unscrupulous FOXhounds.
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 11:56 AM
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62. I'm with you. Why do they subject themselves
to what they know is going to be a bunch of bullshit and verbal abuse for the benefit of a moronic freeper audience?

When asked to appear, all Dems should have the same response: I prefer to give interviews to legitimate journalists.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 02:43 PM
Response to Reply #62
77. I like your phrase for Dems to use when refusing to go on FAUX:

"I prefer to give interviews to legitimate journalists."
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 10:28 AM
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30. Democrats should refuse to appear on FAUX news at all.

And they should frequently remind voters WHY they don't agree to be harried by the unscrupulous FOXhounds.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 10:33 AM
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32. Could the media be more obvious?
They might as well wear a sign around their necks stating "We're choosing the next Dem candidate for 2008 so we can guarantee a GOP win".
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 10:35 AM
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33. Kerry needs to say these words to Freepers an other ilk when they try to...
swiftboat him...

"Buddy, it looks like you're out of ammo.....(pause) again."

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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 11:02 AM
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39. Apparently he needs some tutoring from Bill Clinton on how to take
control and go on the offensive. Watching him submit to that pathetic hack's attack made me embarrassed for him. BTW, before the cult of Kerry takes up the perceived challenge, I think John Kerry is infinitely better than Bill Clinton as a person and I trust him much more in a position of power.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 11:18 AM
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41. Kerry did a much better job than Clinton did
Clinton defended himself and his policies. Kerry took charge of that interview and defended his positions on the issues. Clinton defended himself, not other Democrats. Kerry spoke up for the Democratic positions in the new Congress and the urgency of addressing Iraq, health care and the environment.

I didn't think Clinton did a very good job in his interview. It was too much about him, he was too belligerent and angry and defensive and I thought Wallace came off as sympathetic. I thought Kerry did a much better job than Clinton did.

It's nice to know that there are Democrats who know it's about the issues and not about how a personal smear reflects on one person.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 11:23 AM
Response to Reply #41
42. Oh, please. I'm not the world's biggest Bill Clinton fan, but I think his response
to Wallace set the tone and helped the Democrats win the last election.

Kerry could take a lesson from Bill Maher when he says the Democrats should just respond to these fools, "You're full of shit. Period."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyVBVWKAnE8
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 11:37 AM
Response to Reply #42
49. Oh, sure , that response will get us far. n/t
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 11:41 AM
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51. Clinton's response to Wallace was the bellwether for the last election. It
showed Democratic candidates that fighting lies forcefully accomplishes goals. Being nice in a knife fight does nothing but leave you bleeding.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 11:43 AM
Response to Reply #51
55. Believe that if you wish, but dem's were fighting long before Clinton
decided to get red faced and defend his record.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 11:45 AM
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56. If Kerry had gotten a little bit red faced about his record, we might have seen
a much different result in 2004 — it wouldn't have been close enough to steal.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 03:38 PM
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81. That worked really well for McCain in 2000, didn't it?
There is a huge difference between the situation Clinton was in - an ex-President, who everyone already had a firm impression of and a Senator still introducing himself to the country. Kerry did in a strong, logical way make the case that the SBVT attack was baseless - and people eventually got it. Blowing up would have made things wose - as it did for McCain - there would be stories that Kerry was not stable.

The fact is he got points for being Presidential - just not enough.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 04:11 PM
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82. I'm not asking him to "blow up" — I'm just asking him to act like a leader.
So you're comparing Kerry to McCain?
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 10:15 PM
Response to Reply #82
90. Yes - but only in response to Bush smears
in 2000 for McCain and 2004 for Kerry. Kerry ended up carrying on far better than McCain did. Also, Kerry and friends are still going after these creeps - McCain didn't (and hugged the man they supported.)

Kerry is a far better person on many many levels than McCain is - but I was simply saying that the fairer comparison is not to Clinton. As an ex-President he can do things others can't
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 09:50 PM
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88. "make the case that the SBVT attack was baseless " - umm - no, it stuck then
Edited on Sun Nov-19-06 09:51 PM by TankLV
it still sticks.

Kerry is a national joke on that one.

EVERYBODY but the virulent Kerry supporters see that.

Kerry is a national shortcut for a joke now...

sorry if you don't like it, but it's the unfortunate truth...

In fact, it's not just the TRUTH, it's a given - it's Kerry's starting point from hence forth...

He's the Decaucus of the 21st Century...
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 10:18 PM
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91. Decaucaus is that like calculus or something?
The fact is that exit polls showed only a rw fringe ended up believing the SBVT stories.
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fedupinBushcountry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 11:54 AM
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61. I'm surprised at your response
to me it was Dean and Kerry both that fought like crazy for candidates all over the country for the past 2 years, they didn't need Clinton's finger in their face.

Also Bill Maher was speaking to other Democrats to say BS when other Democrats are being attacked and stick up for their fellow Democrats instead of acting like a bunch of wusses.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 03:30 PM
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80. I don't think anyone was thinking about Clinton. Dean deserves more credit
than anyone. And the election was entirely more about corruption and Iraq. Bill doesn't figure into that equation much.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 11:39 AM
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50. "his response to Wallace set the tone and helped the Democrats win the last election."
Edited on Sun Nov-19-06 11:39 AM by ProSense
Oh, bullshit!
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 11:42 AM
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54. Bullshit back. I guess you think the white gloves treatment is better? NT
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 11:49 AM
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57. If anything showed Democrats' fighting spirit,
Edited on Sun Nov-19-06 11:51 AM by ProSense
it was Kerry's response to the RW smear. Where was Clinton when they continued attacking his record on North Korea? When Kerry came to his defense?

Kerry handled Wallace perfectly!
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 11:52 AM
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59. Yeah, that's why Kerry had to respond — how many? — four times? NT
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 11:57 AM
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63. The responses were all appropriate! n/t
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 11:52 AM
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58. As a NJ resident who grew up in the Midwest,
my gut response was that Bill Clinton did not win any points that day. Bill Clinton can as a former President get away with this, I think it would kill any candidate. It was far beyond any anger Dean showed - and the pundits asked if he was too angry. McCain's 2000 blow up immediately imploded his campaign.

At any rate, both men's actions reflected who they are. Bill Clinton was said to have this type of rage - that he kept (admirably) under control as President. John Kerry was able as a 27 year old to speak reasonably and calmly in a desidely not calm time period. I find his patience and dignity good.
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globalvillage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 11:24 AM
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43. One of Sen Kerry's points
was that we're not setting out to "do unto others", and that we have to work together now toward solutions. I think going on the attack would have taken away from that message. We won, we can start to set a new course, and we need some cooperation to do that.
I think Sen Kerry made his case very clear and rationally. Poking at Wallace would have been a mistake. He diverted the questions back to the issues while making it clear that Wallace's intentions in the interview were misdirected and petty. That's what he set out to do, and I think it was very effective.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 11:27 AM
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44. I'm afraid you are a tiny minority, or you saw different interviews with
Chris "you know my dad" Wallace. Bill Clinton took him down, then took him out, and everybody that doesn't cash a paycheck from Rupert Murdoch gave the match to Clinton.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 11:42 AM
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53. I prefer Senator Kerry's reserved and commanding strength to that
of finger pointing and red face.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 12:09 PM
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64. Which is exactly why he lost? He apparently still does not understand what
Edited on Sun Nov-19-06 01:07 PM by greyhound1966
the people are looking for. I'm on your side in my wishes, but I have accepted the reality that the amerikan sheeple are not interested in reasoned, thoughtful debate. Their eyes glaze over, they start chewing their cuds, and they are confused by big words. Same as it ever was.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 01:11 PM
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69. Get up in their face, like Clinton did
Kerry and other Dems need to learn how to physically project a strong opposition to this kind of badgering. Words alone are not enough.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 02:32 PM
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76. Bill Clinton had FIVE YEARS of built up anger over being blamed for 9-11 - - it was
about time he blew up over it. I couldn't have waited that long and been as patient as Bill has been.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 02:49 PM
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78. We just like it around here when people yell, but that's not always the way
to get your message out. Kerry did pretty well in steering things back.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 11:28 AM
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45. I watched and thought Kerry commanded that interview. Some of the
questions regarding the flub have to be addressed. They need an airing and an answer, then we can move on. I thought Kerry did well in this respect. He turned the subject back to Iraq.
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globalvillage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 11:53 AM
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60. Transcript
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 12:37 PM
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66. Wow!!
Wallace spent the entire interview hyperfocusing on that!! Doesn't read to me like it worked for him. Good for Kerry for continually turning the discussion back to important issues.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 02:30 PM
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75. Is that all they have? It didn't work before the election, it won't work after
Geez.
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 12:30 PM
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65. It's great that...
...Senator Kerry is taking them on on their home turf. My letter to FOX:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Chris Wallace,

Senator Kerry must have 'knocked one out of the park' in his interview with you this morning! I won't know that for sure until 3:00 p.m. this afternoon (Pacific Time...6:00 p.m. your time) because that is when the interview will air here in Murrieta, California. Why do I assume that Senator Kerry gave a great interview ? First, because he is very intelligent and articulate and he usually does well in an interview setting (remember the Presidential Debates?). And secondly, because of the 'pre-emptive strike' on his interview that I just watched on the 7 - 8:00 a.m. show on Fox News.

I rarely watch your network (I have issues with the 'fair and balanced' thing), but this morning, I turned it on at 5:00 a.m. so that I would be SURE not to miss Senator Kerry's interview. The first mention of Senator Kerry came in shortly after 7:00 a.m....a 'tease'. There were several of these and, I must say, I DID notice considerable improvement in the quality of the video you chose of the Senator. Your network showed Kerry relating well to all sorts of people...crowds of adoring adults, groups of children...you even showed him making a Senate Floor speech. That really was an improvement over the Election 2004 days.

Then came the 'pre-emptive strike'. No interview yet. But your network brought on two pundits (one Democratic consultant and one Republican consultant), showed a WRITTEN part of Senator Kerry's response to a question about the 'botched joke' and then proceeded to analyze it... VERY unfairly, and not balanced at all. And the analysis was all framed as ...this was not a botched joke, Kerry had really disrespected the troops. Well, I attended that rally at Pasadena City College, and the Senator never disrespected the troops. What's more important, because he is a veteran, he never WOULD do that.

So I KNOW Senator Kerry did a great job in your interview. I can't wait to see it...the whole thing. It is truly a disgrace that a powerful television network, like Fox or any other, feels the need to spin something so insignificant as a joke in order to try to discredit Senator Kerry. Are you all really that afraid of him? He DID raise a lot of money for 2006 candidates ($1 million in 24 hours, I think.) He would be a STRONG Presidential candidate in 2008, if he decides to run. Maybe that strikes fear into the hearts of some people. But for many of us, it gives us great hope.

Sincerely,
YvonneCa


P.S. Below is a letter I sent to the New York Times on this subject:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Editor, New Your Times,

I wish John Kerry were President. The country really could use an intelligent, truthful, experienced and articulate leader right now. That's who John Kerry is, and anyone who has paid attention to his patriotic efforts in support of our country AND our troops in both Iraq and Afghanistan since the 2004 presidential election knows that...including President Bush. Like many Americans, I'm really getting tired of the 'spin' that keeps being applied to... even ordinary events...during an election season, with the goal of winning an election. I believe that is what is happening now, with Senator Kerry's remarks on Monday in Pasadena.

I attended the rally for Phil Angelides in Pasadena, California where Senator Kerry spoke. I would like to provide an 'eye-witness' account of the event that may be missing for readers of your article, "Kerry and GOP Spar Over Iraq Remarks", dated October 31, 2006. It is my hope that providing some context to your readers may allow for a more fair judgement of the remarks made by Senator Kerry.

I attended this rally because of my great respect for both Senator John Kerry and Senator Barbara Boxer (both in attendance that day). I looked forward to hearing what they would have to say about the serious issues facing our nation, and about their hopes for my Democratic Party. I know that Senator Kerry has been relentless in his efforts to support Democratic candidates across the nation for the past two years...and I have watched in amazement as he has given money and traveled from state to state campaigning in recent months. He has spoken out consistently and strongly against Bush Administration policies in Iraq. He has spoken out consistently and strongly in support of health care, the environment, the middle class and our troops. His words have been supported by his actions in the Senate, and his leadership has given hope of a better direction for our country to many Americans, like me.

What I saw on Monday in Pasadena was a hardworking, patriotic Senator Kerry...standing up for Phil Angelides, standing up for my state of California, standing up for the students at Pasadena City College, and ... as always...standing up for our troops around the world. He may have been a little tired from working so hard to turn this country around by standing up for Democratic candidates. After all, how many cities has he visited in the past week? How many in the past month? Plenty. He may have been tired enough that he botched a line he has delivered correctly a hundred times at other rallies. But his passion for and dedication to our troops both during and after the battle came through loud and clear.

I have been angered and dismayed at what I have read today about this incident. Republicans are magnifying and using an insignificant error to attack John Kerry again...Swiftboat II. Why? I think it's because they are desperate to win on November 7th. They know John Kerry is leading the charge for the Democrats, and he has truth on his side. So they took a simple verbal gaffe...from a good man who is as articulate as they come...and decided to repeat their despicable 'swiftboating' technique against Senator Kerry AGAIN. How pathetic that this is all they know how to offer.

This time will be different, though. The American people are awake and they know the truth. And this time, I'm confident that John Kerry will WIN.



>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Then I read the transcript of the interview...FANTASTIC. The Senator doesn't need MY help. WOW ! ! I can't wait to actually see the interview.





:patriot:
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 01:26 PM
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71. Shut your stupid face, Stimpy!


:headbang:
rocknation
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 01:35 PM
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73. Hey, FoxNews
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AIJ Alom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 04:16 PM
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83. Kerry should have brought up the fox terrorist happy with
election memo and kept hammering Chris right back. Democrats makes the mistake assuming that they are talking to journalists on FoxNews in hopes of reaching the conservative demographic. This is sheer folly, as the conservative hacks continue to exploit trivial issues on the Democratic side, erstwhile letting go of substantial issues on the Republican side.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 11:03 PM
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92. Why would he do that?
when he can bring up the Democratic agenda and speak of things that matter.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 09:38 PM
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84. WTF? - today? Good god, he's a childish idiot, isn't he...
Not that there's anything else important to discuss, huh...
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agincourt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 10:02 PM
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89. I don't care if they put them down with anger,
or if they put them down with dignity. Media Limbaugh-light pigs like Wallace need to get run down.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 11:12 PM
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93. What did Wallace expect Kerry to do? He answered him in just about
every way he could about the flub. Did he expect him to break down and fall to his knees or something. It never was about the troops. With all the important things happening in the world,the least important one of them was Kerry's poor joke.
This was Kerry's coming out of sorts, he isn't going to let the gossip and the backstabbing and the Washington block heads stop him from the important things he wants to accomplish.
I think Wallace got the message by the end of he interview.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 04:34 AM
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96. and Kerry did defend himself which resulted in Hillary saying it was inappropriate
3 weeks ago when it all started Kerry responded right away by defending himself. and jerkoffs who attacked him for not defending himself refused to defend him . and of course Hillary goes on record saying what Kerry said was inappropriate.

if Kerry had done the same thing Clinton did the Dems who attacked KErry for defending himself would probably do the same while Fox would have edited the clip and the media whores would have ran it over and over again . and again the morons would go out saying how it shows Kerry has bad judgement and other shit.

but Kerry did well and did stay on message and go his message out without getting caught up in trying to explain himself as asshole Wallace wanted.

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oc2002 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 11:27 AM
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97. this shows just how weak Kerry is in handling smears from the right wing.

Kerry should of handed the interviewer his ass on a steaming plater of FUCK YOU.
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 11:38 AM
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99. Let Fox News continue to beat the dead horses of the past....
No one cared about Kerry's gaffe before the election, and no one cares about it now. Fox News' inability to grasp this and other post-election realities will insure that their audience dwindles to only those 31% of Americans who still support Bush.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 11:46 AM
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100. I chopped the interview up to show how Wallace is an ASS
http://www.kerrysupport.com/media/wallace.mp4

The original intended quote is at the beginning...and then the desperate attempt by Wallace...Kerry's laugh at the end of the interview is classic.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 12:01 PM
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101. Wallace seemed frustrated he couldn't discuss the flubbed joke the whole interview.
LOL, Kerry kept on giving a short answer, again apologizing and moving on to the real issue which is Iraq and national security.
Someone looked like the commanding grownup and someone looked like the annoying little kid not getting his way.

Kerry did a wonderful job.
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