To kerry voters: what do these 23 senators have in common?

[robbedvoter]

A question for anybody considering voting for John Kerry or John Edwards, and a quiz for everyone:
What do the following 23 senators have in common?
Akaka Daniel D-HI
Bingaman Jeff D-NM
Boxer Barbara D-CA
Byrd Robert D-WV
Chafee Lincoln R-RI
Conrad Kent D-ND
Corzine Jon D-NJ
Dayton Mark D-MD
Durbin Richard D-IL
Feingold Russell D-WI
Graham Bob D-FL
Inouye Daniel D-HI
Jeffords James D-VT
Kennedy Edward D-MA
Leahy Patrick D-VT
Levin Carl D-MI
Mikulski Barbara D-MD
Murray Patty D-WA
Reed Jack D-RI
Sarbanes Paul D-MD
Stabenow Debbie D-MI
Wellstone Paul D-MN
Wyden Ron D-OR
and this guy too:

[Cuban_Liberal]

1. They all opposed the IWR. n/t

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

5. Actually Graham felt we should target Syria rather than Iraq

[blm]

2. They opposed use of force, resolution or no resolution.

So they agreed with only one candidate in the race - Dennis Kucinich.

The others were FOR a resolution for use of force. Biden-Lugar or IWR.

[dsc]

12. So if I go looking I won't see even one of those names in support of Biden

Lugar? Are you sure?

[Cuban_Liberal]

15. *crickets*

:P

[blm]

17. Just thought I'd throw it out there.

Kennedy said there wasn't anything in Biden-Lugar that would have made a difference. Was Kennedy wrong?

[dsc]

22. Kerry thought so

He supported Biden Lugar before he signed on to the IWR and claimed it to have been better. So did the ACLU. But what do they know.

[funky_bug]

3. All opposed IWR - Good job, rob. n/t

[tabasco]

4. Dayton is from Minn not MD

I'm proud of my two Maryland Senators, but I will fully support Kerry if he is the nominee.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

6. None of them are running for President.

That's one thing they all have in common.

[clarknyc]

7. So that's why Kerry voted for it? He was running for President?

[Feanorcurufinwe]

8. Vote for what? What are you talking about?

The poster asked what those 23 Senators have in common, I answered.


You are welcome to have any theory you want about anything, even if it is contrary to the truth.

[Nicholas_J]

33. IWR (a misnomer because war was not authorized by the resolution)

Is irrelevant. The results of all of the primaries simply prove that once and for all. The public beleives that the Iraq Resolution did not authorize this war, but only authorized force as a last, ultimate resort. And it is the public who makes the final decision. ANd every time Dean repeats "They signed a resolution authorizing war" he loses another state.

The realities of this campaign are the only thing that are valid.

[lcordero]

9. not a Kerry voter, but my answer is that they are electable

:evilgrin:

[robbedvoter]

10. Like Ritter, Clark was also informing the Senate BEFORE the vote

http://robbedvoter.forclark.com/story/2004/2/1/84318/48694
Welstone actually used his info in his argument. But not kerry. He told Ritter to "put it in writing" and never got back to him.
Why, oh, why could these 23 see the truth, but not Kerry?
And why, with the obvious mess this has become should Kerry get a free pass for it?
Answer: so W can!
If the media crowns kerry, the liability for Iraq will not be an issue in this race. Think lpeople. You wanna give it up that easy? Is it worth it? For the guy who had the fortitude to say: "It's time for regime change" then
"maybe that was too harsh"?
Will the guy who gave in on IWR stand for us on SCOTUS judges? War? (he alrezady sponsored the Syria bill). Why should I trust this guy being on my side? Look what he did to Wellstone's clean elections act:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/vv/20040207/lo_laweekly/50825
as in the January 6 debate, when he said proudly, Paul Wellstone and I together wrote the Clean Elections law. In the 106th, 107th and 108th Congresses, Kerrys name was on the bill, which has yet to become law. Then Wellstone, the Senates liberal conscience, died -- and Kerry started running for president. Guess what? In the current, 108th Congress, Cautious Kerry, the decorated war hero, went AWOL, refusing to reintroduce the bill he now boasts about -- leaving it with no sponsor in the Senate."
So, I am not supposed to cry in my tea cu then...

[blm]

14. I disagree. The American people are in line with Kerry and Kerry can ask

Bush the question that they want answered "Why did you mislead Congress and the American people about the imminent threat?"

"We gave you the benefit of the doubt and allowed for further inspections in the IWR and allowed your discretion, and you chose to implement it dishonestly."

[Democrats unite]

11. They have more spine than the two current Senators

Running for President now!

[EXE619K]

13. Please change this....

Mark Dayton is (D) of Minnesota (MN).

With Pawlenty and Coleman breathing down his neck....I'm sure he'd appreciate it.

[Justice]

16. Heard What Kerry and Edwards Heard, But Said No To IWR

Amazing that these senators heard the same "intelligence" that Kerry and Edwards heard, yet voted no on IWR.

That is no, no, no -- no for leverage, no for authority, no for cowboy like behavior.

I bet they also sleep better at night knowing they voted no.

Kerry voted yes b/c he was running for president -- that is my strongly held belief. Kerry is my senator.

[sandnsea]

18. Good, don't vote

Let Bush win. I don't care anymore.

[redqueen]

19. LOL

nothing like a real debate eh?

[sandnsea]

24. It's been debated

Some people can't follow a time line, can't consider ALL the information available and ALL the statements given, and can't apply reason to any of it. Not my fault.

[Justice]

20. You Should Care

The point of this is to say that Kerry will not escape criticism over this in the GE if he is the nominee. He needs to explain his IWR vote to people like me - I didn't hear any compelling reason to go to war at the time. If I knew, how did Kerry not know?

Pretending Kerry is immune will not help him when the hammer falls. And it will fall -- this is to say, don't you want all of us there with you to help keep it from falling on Kerry's head?

[sandnsea]

23. Great, let Bush win

Destroy Kerry. Enjoy yourself. I'm tired of fighting people over this. The IWR, Patriot Act, NCLB, arguments are as irrational as anything that's come out of the right. Fuck it. Self destruct. Break your arm patting yourself on the back while you do it. Then come back here in December and spend the next four years crying and blaming the DLC Democrats for your own bullshit. Seems to be working pretty well so far.

[redqueen]

25. If Kerry gets the nod and loses

DESPITE our being good little robots and being 'pragmatic' and voting for the lesser evil...

how is that our fault?

[sandnsea]

27. Shredding the nominee???

If the far left decides to shred Kerry all year and it causes him to lose, why wouldn't I blame them? Good little robots? I've never seen the far left be good little robots in my entire life and I don't expect them to start now.

[redqueen]

28. You can't have it both ways

If you really believe the American public was behind the Iraq war, what the left thinks shouldn't matter at all. So the outrage about leftist 'shredding' is thin at best.

And in case you didn't notice, the ABB force is the most unifying factor ever to occur in modern politics. If a centrist can't get elected in this climate, it's time to admit the DLC belongs on the other side of the aisle, once and for all.

[sandnsea]

31. The left votes

The left has a voice. The left can do as much damage to the nominee as the far right. And I don't mind it if they're telling the truth. But when they have the most liberal candidate we've had, ever really, and they still want to rip the candidate apart, something is seriously wrong. And when they want to rip the candidate apart while their OWN candidate has the exact same positions, as some on this board do, then that goes into something else altogether that I don't remotely understand.

Dennis voted for NCLB. Kerry voted for the Patriot Act. A wash.

Dennis wanted inspectors to go into Iraq. Kerry knew a threat of force would be needed to make that happen. The TRUTH is the same.

Like I said in my other post, if people haven't sorted out the real truth of what happened with the WMD, intelligence, vote and Bush's war by now, it's because they've intentionally decided not to.

And if people decide to continue to distort that truth and it ends up costing us the election, then those people need to go to Bush's inauguration and applaud because they will have put him there.

[Justice]

26. Thin Skin

An honest recognition of vulnerability regarding Kerry does not translate into let Bush win. Your statement is very ignorant frankly. Cuz it is going to take active support from all dems to make sure this election is fair, and to do everything we can do to get the democratic nominee in.

Just keeping the shades down and pretending the criticism won't come, is not real smart.

Kerry is MY friggin senator. Don't tell him whether I support him or not, thank you very much.

My point is that when the criticism comes - and it will - you need to rally people - and for me to rally around Kerry, I need something more from him and his supporters on this IWR issue.

Don't be a jerk -- be smart.

I suspect if you were sitting in my shoes, you'd be saying the same thing -- oh wait, you were saying the same thing until Kerry won Iowa.

[sandnsea]

29. From the right, no problem

From the left, no. I'm fed up with it. I've put up with lies and distortions on this board for far too long. Honest debate is one thing. Repeating bullshit ad nauseum is another. I'm fed up with it and I'm calling people on it. If people don't understand the IWR by now, they've intentionally stuck their head up their ass. Disagreement is fine, pretending that they don't understand all the circumstances and the process is something else again. And if they're going to continue to haul it out after the convention, since it is looking like Kerry will win, then that's inexcusable. It's time to decide whether we're going to beat Bush or not. It's time to stop pretending we don't know the difference between Bush and Kerry. It's time to stop pretending Dean didn't cause his own problems. It's time to stop pretending Clark isn't as boring as a bowl of oatmeal. It's time to stop pretending Edwards has national security gravitas when he doesn't. We are where we are, that's all there is to it.

[Justice]

30. Whose Pretending Now?

sure, okay, the rest of us will "stop pretending"....

Kerry is my senator, I watched him during the IWR. I understood the circumstances, I saw the process. Please don't insult me just because I happen to disagree with you. The fact that you just insult rather than respond is amazing.

[sandnsea]

32. Disagree is fine

But some people lie to justify their disagreement and that is wrong.

[Forkboy]

34. That's the spirit!

[eileen_d]

21. None of them are currently running for President.

(Yes, I know about Graham. And yes, I know the "real" answer.)