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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 11:56 AM
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skull & bones (again)
gods, I don't really want to post this, but after shitforbrains mentioned it in his self destructive interview I can't let it go. When asked about skull & bones he said "it's so secret I can't say anything" or somesuch. Seems like halfway artful Kerry bait and I guess I took it.
So, what's the deal? Kerry could display his loyalty to the people over class with some real disclosure.
I will vote ABB in the GE but if Kerry is the nominee some truth on this issue would make it more pallitable.
As he slips into a deep pool with straw...................
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 12:06 PM
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1. doesn't Kerry's 20-year record in the Senate . . .
put to rest any notions concerning some kind of super-loyalty to skull & bones? . . . his positions are, and always have been, a lot closer to those of Ted Kennedy than to those of fellow bonesman George Bush . . .
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SahaleArm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 12:09 PM
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3. Yeah all those ceremonial bills...
What's his excuse - Ted Kennedy has seniority? The man has spent years trying to lower taxes on unearned income.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 12:11 PM
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4. "The man has spent years trying to lower taxes on unearned income."
Who, Kennedy? Kerry?

Got details?
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SahaleArm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 12:22 PM
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5. Kerry not Kennedy
Edited on Mon Feb-09-04 12:28 PM by SahaleArm
It's covered in this article:

But Kerry is primed for this line of attack. He has had many years not just to refine his political philosophy but also to explain it in a way voters might accept and with luck even admire. Throw the Latte Liberal label at him, and Kerry will counter with his support for faith-based programs and welfare reform and the fact that he proposed a dividend tax cut long before Bush did.

"They're going to have a hard time pinning that to me," Kerry once told TIME. "They're not going to find it is easy making me something I'm not." And besides, he said, as he invariably does when someone suggests the war hero is vulnerable, "I'm pretty good at defending myself."

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He teamed with McCain again to make the Internet a tax-free zone, and while he has voted against all of Bush's tax cuts, he proposes reducing the capital-gains tax to zero in key investment-driven industries; he offers other business tax incentives to reward companies that keep jobs in the country.

His idea for a dividend-tax cut even before Bush proposed one is now a sensitive subject; his advisers say he will support it only if "it is done right."


Somehow the 'key investment-driven industries' would include Telecom, and other areas where Kerry would invest his millions.

Kerry Record
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 12:42 PM
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6. yse, a good senate record
I am foremostly an environmental voter so you won't get any arguements from me on that. But I'd still like the straight poop.
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 12:09 PM
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2. Skull and Bones was infiltrated
and the wretched juvenile nonsense was described. The only thing wrong was of course giving their sacred word over such foolery in the first place, but once given a person might think it a point of pointless honor not to break it. It boils down to later power and money alliances where many many clubs offer brotherly advantages, secrets or no. And that fairly dissolves into many other friendships or influences.

Ask this first. What would Bush care about his mystical convenient membership if it didn't serve his purpose? It's the people not the cabal mumbo jumbo itself. And the people at that stage were college kids plain and simple- not a conspiracy in training. More important is why we allow these kinds of elites to so fill up the leadership positions everywhere and that is mainly a function of family inheritance. Stockholders and voters should look a little harder for talent in other schools.
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nomaco-10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 01:02 PM
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7. The S&B issue is not going away....
It was mentioned twice by call in viewers on the Washington Journal this morning. When the public decides that SKULLduggery is newsworthy, believe me it won't die. It has all the earmarks of the kind of story the public wants to know more about and the media loves to give the public what they want, atleast what they think they want. It's so much more interesting to follow a story about a secret society linking the rich and powerful elite, throw in a little marriage by S&B proxy, the sheeple will love it. NAFTA, IRW and BBV just aren't the kind of subject matter that gets their attention. I predict it has the potential to knock Michael, Scott and Kobe right off the airways.
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