I did not know Carville used the word "cult" on CNN today.

[madfloridian]

Well, James, pull up a chair. I am a cult member, if that is what you call it. I know that is what we were called during the primaries here by certain groups. It had really bad connotations to it.

Well, I am still a member of the group that stands behind Howard Dean's goal of changing the party to shift the power base away from you guys. Meet a cult member, James...Retired teacher, mother of five, moderate to conservative view, a few liberal ones mixed in..former Southern Baptist. I call myself a recovering one now, since they called my hubby and me traitors for not supporting the Iraq War.

Oh, you guys there in DC did mind games for years. Your time is over.

http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Video_James_Carville_blames_Howard_Dean_1115.html

"Appearing on CNN's The Situation Room with host Wolf Blitzer and alongside conservative commentator Bay Buchanan, Democratic political consultant James Carville once again targeted Democratic National Committee chairman Howard Dean.

Describing a "cult" within the DNC surrounding Dean and his national campaign strategy, Carville continued what has been a steady stream of criticism against the former presidential candidate, often regarded as a populist outsider among "old money" Democrats.

Earlier today, Carville described Dean's leadership as "Rumsfeldian in its competence," while Dean, who has remained largely silent about Carville's unusual theatrics, dismissed the attacks on him as "inside the beltway silliness."

Video is there, but I am not going to watch it.

Oh, and James, compare the class Dean had on Sunday on Fox. He smiled and gave credit to the congressional committees, gladly he did. He has class, you do not. He is gracious, you are not.

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/11/15/dean-on-carville-this-is-some-kind-inside-the-beltway-silliness

Meet a cult member if that is what you are going to call us. I will play that game with you.

[Renew Deal]

1. Carville is a stooge of the Clintonistas

2008 is now.

[Mythsaje]

2. I cannot be insulted by methane breathers.

[madfloridian]

3. Any Democrat who does not speak out on this travesty...

is on my sh** list. Conyers already has. Schumer wrote on Kos today. This has got to stop.

Someone has to be in charge of Carville, who is quickly becoming a loose cannon.

They'd better step up to the plate and tell him to shut up.

[MaryBear]

23. Carville a loose cannon?

Pretty soon he'll shake his fist and shout hooooooooraaaaaaaayyy and we're gonna and we're gonna and we're gonna a la Howard Dean.

I wonder what he is up to. A loose cannon he is not. (nor isDean)

Intra-party fighting loses for everyone.

Of all people he should know that.

[MannyGoldstein]

4. F&$@ing DLC

These attacks on REAL Democrats will eventually take a toll - tell your friends and family the truth - the DLC ran the DNC for 12 years, got creamed every time. An actual Dem runs the DNC, and we won big.

[Doremus]

7. DLC ran the DNC for 12 years, got creamed every time. An actual Dem runs the DNC, and we won big.

That says it all.

8 for 22 is the kind of record that gets you fired in the real world.
Bumpkin Jimmy and the circle jerks think it's simply superb.


Dirty politics is so ... so .... Carvillian.

[hedda_foil]

5. From one cultist to another, let's hear it for HOWARD!!!!

Go to hell James. And your insane witch of a wife too.

[madfloridian]

6. Yay...hedda. Well said.

Now I know we are going to send more to Howard than just the 28.06..This is out of control.

[longship]

8. Then I'll use the word, "kook"

Carville is a kook.

[JamesJoyce]

9. Carville is correct

The vitrol spewed at him today has been proof enough.

[ProSense]

10. Yeah, Dean and Rumsfeld are the same!

Carville is an ass!

[madfloridian]

11. Welcome to DU...you have had a busy day

You really don't like Dean very much....and that does not worry me a bit.
I read some of your other posts. Interesting.

Hey, meet me....I am a cultist. Cultist extraordinaire.

[hvn_nbr_2]

15. :)

[Muddy Waters Guitar]

20. Carville brought this upon himself

You dish it out in such a disgusting manner as Jimmy Carville has, and it's gonna come flying back at you at light speed. Carville deserves every bit of scorn, abuse, vitriol, rage and hatred he's been receiving. And frankly, those who defend his sniping, like yourself, deserve some of it too.

[w4rma]

25. I'll "spew" all the vitrol I want at him. Especially since Carville spewed the vitrol at me first.

Btw, Carville is the idiot (traitor?) who recommended to the (then) Democratic governor of Georgia that he appoint Zell Miller to the empty Senate seat. We know how that turned out don't we? Georgia is now being fully run by the Republican Party for the first time in about 100 years.

[Ediacara]

28. I suppose if Carville said that Dean ate babies, and then was denounced

then that would mean Dean really DOES eat babies?

Nice logic train there.... :eyes:

[MannyGoldstein]

12. Yes, I Belong to A Cult

We have the crazy belief that the Middle Class should not be sodomized by the Predator Class.

[Sadie5]

14. Carville has a big mouth

And the repugs took advantage of that birth defect. Wonder how much the RNC is paying him to shoot his mouth off. Drudge has the story up also.

[LittleClarkie]

13. I'm a member of a different cult

Kerry-krishna....Kerry-krishna... Krishna, Krishna... Kerry, Kerry...

But I also support Gov. Dean. I guess that blows the Martian's theory out of the water.

[madfloridian]

16. I gather he might have included others...

Saying the cult surrounding Dean as chairman... a lot of people support him for that who did not support him for president.

He's a nasty man lately, Carville is.

[madfloridian]

17. A defense of Dean and criticism of Carville from unexpected source.

The New Donkey is one of the more sensible bloggers at the DLC, and I often find myself nodding in agreement with this guy. Credit where credit is due, I say.

http://newdonkey.blogspot.com/2006/11/carville-and-dean.html

"Carville and Dean

I was out of pocket travelling most of today, and initially missed the brouhaha over the alleged plot to get rid of Howard Dean as DNC chairman. Having now read my emails; the Ryan Lizza Plank post that seems to be the source for James Carville's suggestion that Dean be replaced by Harold Ford; and the angry reaction of the blogosphere, my first thought is:

Lordy, lordy.

I've always liked Carville, as a guy with impressive strategic and tactical instincts, and impeccable partisan credentials. And I also like Harold Ford, who I suspect was as surprised as anyone by Carville's dropping of his name.

But this is a really bad idea, at a really bad time. In the wake of Tuesday's victory, party committee chieftain Rahm Emanuel and Howard Dean appear to have buried the hatchet, and there's a general sense among most Democrats that they both did their very different jobs during the campaign well enough. We do not need any purges at present, thank you."

And he ends with this:

n any event, James should get off the purge-Dean bandwagon, if indeed that's what he's riding, and focus his considerable talents on the very different challenges Democrats will face in 2008. I see nothing other than good things in the rear-view mirror of the 2006 elections.

Thanks, New Donkey.

[wisteria]

18. Yeah, the grassroots people are all part of a cult.

I couldn't believe he said that.

[Muddy Waters Guitar]

19. Carville needs to be taken out to the woodshed for crap like that

Carville and the other Clintonistas are willing to sabotage the Democratic Party for their own personal agendas. This statement was especially idiotic:

'Earlier today, Carville described Dean's leadership as "Rumsfeldian in its competence,"'

Somehow, Dean managed to become a successful physician, take control of the DNC, and finally bring us back to power in Congress after 12 years of failure, and his 50-state strategy was a big part of it. Dean is if anything the model of success.

What really rankles Carville so much is that Dean doesn't have the imprimatur of the big-money people and doesn't kiss up to the corporatocracy like Hillary Clinton, and he just can't deal with that-- it drives him crazy.

James needs to go back and cry himself a river, cuz the rest of us are busy basking in the success that Howard Dean largely brought us, to sympathize with Carville's sorry ass.

[madfloridian]

21. Well said. Dean was gracious to the others...Carville has no grace.

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/11/15/dean-on-carville-this-is-some-kind-inside-the-beltway-silliness/



Dean answers with a smile.

[Writer]

22. Two years ago, "It was all about me."

And that is all I am going to say here.

[madfloridian]

30. Hey, feel free.

Pull up a chair, go right ahead and have your say. It is DU after all. I am not certain of the true meaning of your cryptic subject line...so feel free.

James Carville insults every Democrat who supports what Dean is doing, he calls us cultists.

I know who did it here a couple of years ago, and I know who does it now.

Feel free to have your say.

[JNelson6563]

24. Sign me up!

I thnk Dean building a party in every state in the nation is brilliant. Carville is a whoring traitor.

Julie

[GeorgeGist]

26. Sounds like Jimbo's getting tutored by Mary...

on the corrupt philosophy of Leo Strauss.

[Q]

27. Sounds like Carville is using...

...DLC-Speak. They've been trying for the longest time to smear progressives/populists in the party as the 'fringe element'...saying they're nothing more than a 'cult' and that they don't represent a majority. The DLCers have even gone so far as to intimate that anyone to the left of them are traitors...especially if they don't support the defense constractors wet dream perpetual war in the middle east.

Like his RWing counterparts...Carville is paid to smear those his and the DLC's corporate masters consider a threat to their stranglehold on government.

[madfloridian]

29. Rahm called Dean to talk about it today.

http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2006/11/carvilles_still.html

"As James Carville continues his crusade to oust Howard Dean as DNC chair, DCCC chair Rahm Emanuel wants to concilliate.

According to sources in the DNC and DCCC, Emuanel called Dean this morning to distance himself from the tone and general tenor of Carville's remarks. In a short conversation, Emanuel acknowledged that he shared some of Carville's opinions about the DNC's priorities but said he did not share Carville's wish that Dean ought to be ousted as DNC chair.

Dean called Emanuel on election night, and the two had a friendly conversation, according to sources affiliated with both men.

When their schedules permit, Dean and Emanuel will meet privately to discuss their plans for the 2008 cycle. Both sides hope to reach, in advance, an understanding about how the Democratic party committees will fund state parties and candidate committees.

After the private meeting, the two will likely take their rapprochement public."

[shrub chipper]

33. This is good news.

They may differ philosophically about how to effect change, but both got the job done and deserve LOTS of credit.


Carville needs an ass whupping and he certainly is doing no good for the Clintons. In fact, quite the opposite if the reaction here is any indication.

[flpoljunkie]

31. Jon Alterman just said on MSNBC that, make no mistake, all this was coming from the Clinton camp.

We all know it, but it was good to see Newsweek's Jonathan Alter, say so.

[madfloridian]

32. I missed that, thanks for posting.

:hi:

[Morgana LaFey]

34. He most certainly did --

and named Rahm in particular, IIRC.

[Marie26]

37. He's certainly not subtle about it. nt

[madfloridian]

39. Jonathan Alter or Eric Alterman....the former?

I was hoping to find a video clip or transcript. That is interesting that either would say it.

[madfloridian]

35. NC and CA state chairs write to Carville in defense of Dean.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/651

I was glad to see that.

A certain blogger is having fun with this. Venting.
http://downwithtyranny.blogspot.com/2006/11/jerry-meek-takes-carville-to-school.html

[Marie26]

36. Whatr is Carville's position again?

Does he even HAVE a position within the Democratic party anymore, or is he just a Clinton Admin. has-been who cable news shows like to drag out to present a "Democrat" point of view? Why should anyone listen, or care, about what he has to say?

[madfloridian]

38. He's a political strategist...

And go to this site...

http://www.filmforum.org/films/ourbrand.html

His group with Shrum and Greenberg interferes in 3rd world elections.

They do a lot of stuff.

[Marie26]

41. Looks interesting

Thanks for the link. So Carville actually used his strategizing skills to oppose the leftist candidate in Bolivia? Sometimes I wonder what side these guys are really on.

[Jennicut]

40. That Carville quote on Fox News is idiotic

It makes NO sense at all. The RNC did better that the DNC this year? How so? The Rethugligans lost seats in the House and Senate, lost governorships and control in many state legislatures, not to mention local town races. The Dems did not lose ONE House or Senate seat in Congress. Who did better Jimbo? When the DLC ran the DNC there was no success rate to match this year's. I mean its just so dumb and makes no sense. Attacking for power and control not for common sense. Even Rahm knows its gotten out of control. Its not gonna work so Hillary needs to back off!:mad: