Now I *REALLY* hate Carville the Traitor!: Kerry DID fight for votes to be counted!

[MalloyLiberal]

"On page 344, Woodward describes the doings at the White House in the early morning hours of Wednesday, the day after the '04 election.

Apparently, Kerry had decided not to concede. There were 250,000 outstanding ballots in Ohio.

So Kerry decides to fight. In fact, he considers going to Ohio to camp out with his voters until there is a recount. This is the last thing the White House needs, especially after Florida 2000.

So what happened?

James Carville gets on the phone with his wife, Mary Matalin, who is at the White House with Bush.

"Carville told her he had some inside news. The Kerry campaign was going to challenge the provisional ballots in Ohio -- perhaps up to 250,000 of them. 'I don't agree with it, Carville said. I'm just telling you that's what they're talking about.'

"Matalin went to Cheney to report...You better tell the President Cheney told her."

Matalin does, advising Bush that "somebody in authority needed to get in touch with J. Kenneth Blackwell, the Republican Secretary of State in Ohio who would be in charge of any challenge to the provisional votes." An SOS goes out to Blackwell.

The rest is history.

Does something about this story stink to high heaven!"

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/11/10/151336/37

[eleny]

1. _

:popcorn:

[MadMaddie]

2. I am done with him.....Fucking Traitor he was playing both sides..

[dflprincess]

6. Not so much playing both sides as looking out for

Hilary's 2008 chances.

He's dead to me.

[elehhhhna]

34. His wilfe is a war criminal! D'ya think he may have been protecting HER?

How's that drunk gonna raise those kids when the other drunk's in prison?

[applegrove]

3. Ouch. That is bad.

[American Jesus]

4. It's time to excise this DLC tumor from the body of the Democratic Party

The DLC did everything they could to throw the 2004 election. Bullshit like the above story is evidence. Kerry should have never involved any of them in his campaign. Actually, Kerry shouldn't have been the nominee to begin with, but that was a whole other chapter in DLC interference. One for which Tom Vilsuck was greatly rewarded.

[politicasista]

7. Who should have been the nominee then?

You think the media is going to go easy on the 08 nominee? YOU should run for president since YOU have exposed more government corruption than any other lawmaker in history.

[American Jesus]

21. Seriously, you guys need to put that broken record away.

My point here was not to start a fight with the Kerry cheerleaders, but to state the fact that if the DLC had not plotted an organized hit on Howard Dean in Iowa, Kerry never would have had the opportunity.

Then they set Kerry up to fail as well. So as far as I can see, we're on the same team. You should hate the DLC for throwing your candidate under the bus just as much I do for what they did (and continue to do) to Dean.

[mtnsnake]

25. So the DLC made Dean fail so Kerry could get in, then they made Kerry fail to??

What the fuck are you smoking and why are you posting these unfounded SILLY ASS divisive rumors here??????????????????????????????????????????

[Mass]

32. But we do. There is no doubt you are right that the DLC pushed both Dean and Kerry under the bus.

and they continue, as we could see last week when the DLC rushed to stab Kerry in the back when the GOP attacked him.

Same thing is happening to Dean today, we do not disagree on that.

[blm]

11. Establishment was working AGAINST Kerry from the beginning - the media had him targeted

Corpmedia minimized coverage of Kerry's campaign the week after this came out in June 2003. And the DLC did nothing to help Kerry - if they did they would have directed money to his campaign. They didn't. Kerry mortgaged his home in Dec. because he knew the media was under-reporting his strength on the ground in Iowa while they were over-reporting Dean's numbers there. The DLC didn't lift a finger to help Kerry. They wanted Edwards or Lieberman.


Kerry Seeks to Reverse FCC's "Wrongheaded Vote"

Commission Decision May Violate Laws Protecting Small Businesses; Kerry to File Resolution of Disapproval

Monday, June 2, 2003

WASHINGTON - Senator John Kerry today announced plans to file a "Resolution of Disapproval" as a means to overturn today's decision by the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) to raise media ownership caps and loosen various media cross-ownership rules.
Kerry will soon introduce the resolution seeking to reverse this action under the Congressional Review Act and Small Business Regulatory Enforcement Fairness Act on the grounds that the decision may violate the laws intended to protect America's small businesses and allow them an opportunity to compete.

As Ranking Member of the Senate Committee on Small Business and Entrepreneurship, Kerry expressed concern that the FCC's decision will hurt localism, reduce diversity, and will allow media monopolies to flourish. This raises significant concerns about the potential negative impacts the decision will have on small businesses and their ability to compete in today's media marketplace.

In a statement released earlier today regarding the FCC's decision, Kerry said:

"Nothing is more important in a democracy than public access to debates and information, which lift up our discourse and give Americans an opportunity to make honest informed choices. Today's wrongheaded vote by the Republican members of the FCC to loosen media ownership rules shows a dangerous indifference to the consolidation of power in the hands of a few large entities rather than promoting diversity and independence at the local level. The FCC should do more than rubber stamp the business plans of narrow economic interests.

"Today's vote is a complete dereliction of duty. The Commissioners are well aware that these rules greatly influence the competitive structure of the industry and protect the public's access to multiple sources of information and media. It is the Commission's responsibility to ensure that the rules serve our national goals of diversity, competition, and localism in media. With today's vote, they shirked that responsibility and have dismissed any serious discussion about the impact of media consolidation on our own democracy."

[karynnj]

19. Kerry brought the Clinton people in for the general election

In 2004, Kerry was criticized for letting fewer of the "only people who won a Democratic Presidency in 2 decases.

[mtnsnake]

24. Do you stay awake at night dreaming up this shit? nt

[buddysmellgood]

5. Modern-day turncoat.

[tularetom]

8. He is a pluperfect asshole for a lot of reasons, however

this story only shows him up as a person of low character. I've never been able to understand how that phone call, in and of itself, could have had any effect on Kerry's decision not to contest the Ohio results. Now if he went back to Kerry and tried to talk him out of ccontesting, spending the rest of his life with the hag he's married tois insufficient punishment for him.

[AtomicKitten]

9. someone deserving of your rage is Mike McCurry

who joined the Kerry campaign at the end and on the phone told BushCo to not press it and that Kerry would concede.

from http://www.taylormarsh.com/archives_view.php?id=24630

At 3:36 a.m., a very sensitive communication from the Kerry camp was relayed to Rove and Bartlett at the White House. Mike McCurry, Clinton's former White House press secretary and a last-minute addition to the Kerry campaign, had e-mailed Nicole Devenish, the Bush campaign communications director, an off-the-record congratulations, advising that the Bush team should not try to force a resolution now. Don't pressure Kerry, McCurry said. In the end, he believed Kerry would do the right thing.

Bartlett and others told Bush about the e-mail, summarizing the message as "We'll do the right thing at the right time." They could trust that McCurry would be in a position to know what the Kerry campaign was thinking, Bartlett said, but they had to be careful not to put too much stock in it. At least we know there are people in the Kerry camp giving rational advice, Bartlett said. ... ...

That is disgusting.

[niallmac]

10. This guy trashes Dean today. What did Carville do to win this

election? Was he in the faces of Bushco and ranting against the war?
I can't recall a Carville quote for the last few months until now.
DLC; Damn Lying Carville.

[MalloyLiberal]

12. HATE him now. He is a NEOCON just like the rest of them

Lying snake.

[upi402]

16. yep, they all were moderate republicans.

Anyway, did you ever wonder WHY he's with Mary? I always suspected him. How could you love someone opposing your core set of beliefs. Either no love, or those beliefs don't exist.

[MalloyLiberal]

18. maybe he's Karl Rove's brother..no heart

[American Jesus]

23. I'm not going to say it's impossible to be in love with a Republican....

....Because I have been. But when that person is directly working FOR the enemy, that's entirely another matter. And it's true, when they got married, I thought there was something very fishy about it.

[ewagner]

13. This came out

during the heat of the campaign and, for very practical reasons, was ignored by most of us.

For my part, I simply "filed away" the information to be used at a more appropriate time. Until Carville's outburst today, I had considered him a "has been"...part of the party's distant past...

however, today he began an assault that cannot be ignored. He wants Dean out and he wants him replaced with Harold Ford.

The motives are suspicious....Ford is DLC....Ford is a friend of Don Imus (or at least he was)...information is shared back and forth among Democrats and Republicans.....

and Carville is aiding and abetting....

How long can we avoid a showdown between the factions of the party? DIs there any room for compromise or reconciliation? Is it ideological or is it all about money and power?

This has apparently been a festering sore within the party that we never had the time to address. Maybe we're going to have to confront it head-on....

damn....this isn't a good time to do it ...we have the NEOCONS on the ropes and we need to finish them off policially once and for all...we don't need to be fighting among ourselves but it appears Carville (at somebody's bidding) seems to be forcing the issue....

I don't have any answers...just a lot of questions and a half-full glass of Shiraz.

[MalloyLiberal]

14. Ford is AWFUL...AWFUL AWFUL AWFUL.

[AtomicKitten]

15. now your theory has teeth

I don't know that that particular intraparty struggle has begun quite yet because I'm not convinced by the evidence I've read here that Carville actually diss'd Dean overtly, but I can see how there may be machinations to promote an HRC candidacy. It'll be tough pushing Dean out though because he and Emanuel just delivered a brilliant victory. Well, finish your shiraz and I'm going to mull this over.

[Orangepeel]

17. carville is an asshole, but this criticism is silly

Blackwell didn't know to cheat until Mary Matalin called and told him to?

And somehow this changed Kerry's decision to challenge? He would have challenged if he could have "snuck up" on Blackwell but didn't because the secret got out?

Again, Carville is an asshole, but his actions, whether reported accurately by Woodword or not, didn't have any consequential effects on what happened in Ohio.

[MalloyLiberal]

20. He let them know that Kerry was not going to sit down/shut up

[Orangepeel]

29. and how did that change anything?

Carville's actions (assuming he did indeed call his wife and tip her off) didn't have any effect on what happened in Ohio.

It would silly to think that he was sitting around letting the election run honestly until he got a call from the VPs office warning him that Kerry was going to challenge and THEN he kicked the cheating plan into high gear. Whatever Blackwell did, he was prepared to do and would have done regardless.

That doesn't excuse Carville for being an asshole, but to credit him with causing Kerry not to challenge is to ascribe to him WAY too much power.

[LostinVA]

39. 'The best defense is a good offense"

It works in sports.

It works in life.

It worked here.

That's how it changed everything.

[rox63]

38. Because 100,00 of the uncounted ballots disappeared

Blackwell made them disappear. Kerry was going to challenge based on the fact that he was about 120,000 votes behind *, and there were 250,000 uncounted ballots. Shortly after the call was made to Blackwell, suddenly there were only 150,000 ballots. The statistical chance of getting 120,000 of those was tiny, and Kerry's legal team told him the challenge could not change the outcome of the election. Only after determination was made did he concede.

[mtnsnake]

22. Anyone who believes half this crap deserves that piece of swampland

you bought in the middle of the Sahara desert for 50 bucks.

[upi402]

26. Are there specific rebuttals to half the crap?

There may well be a valid argument, I'm not aware...

Lets stipulate that he's married to Mary first of all.
ok go!

[Seabiscuit]

27. OK, so why did Kerry "concede" so early the morning after the election???

No one can blame the early concession on Carville or anyone else but Kerry himself. He was the candidate. His was the final decision. And it didn't take more than a few hours.

[upi402]

28. but I think the point was 'the call' being made

I think you're right on that, though.

calling the enemy like that looks like a rat, not good.

[Seabiscuit]

30. Indeed, Carville's an asshat, but realistically it was Kerry alone who conceded

[mtnsnake]

31. It wasn't Carville or Kerry. It was Hillary. I heard that she disguised her voice

as Kerry and made the concessionary call. I know it's hard to believe, but it's true.

[Seabiscuit]

37. LOL!!! n/t

[BlueIris]

33. To quote a great American, "James Carville? We're done with you."

DONE. You rot. GO AWAY.

[leftofthedial]

35. Hey! dude was taking care of his pecker.

Can't blame him for that.

(much)

I hope she swabbed his knob real good for him.

[bonito]

36. Kick n/t

[Freedom Rock]

40. Carville must go

We must get rid of Carville. He can't be trusted. He can't be one of our spokesman because he is in bed with and married to the enemy. His wife has been helping the Bushies during all this time we have been enraged. I am shocked we havn't gotten rid of him yet. What can we do to get rid of this guy?