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cajun4clark Donating Member (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 12:00 AM
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Kerry: The Six-Million Dollar Advantage
People should be extremely disturbed that John Kerry used his wealth to save his failing candidacy. His $6 million put professionals on the ground in Iowa, crushing the other candidates. From there it's been a cakewalk for him. It's clear that John Kerry will do anything to get elected. I'd love to read what he's said in the past about campaign finance reform--can't be much. We should be calling Kerry on this--the wealthy shouldn't have more of a voice than the rest of us.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 12:03 AM
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1. His money is where his mouth is
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ShaneGR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 12:49 AM
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19. Yup, and he didn't waste his supporters money either
Unlike some other candidates.
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Raya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 09:35 AM
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32. Thankfully
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fabius Donating Member (759 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 12:03 AM
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2. Dean and Clark had plenty of money.
If there's one good thing to be seen out of the Dean campaign so far it is that (1) Democrats really can raise some major money from grassroots supporters, and (2) Money doesn't always win.

I think on balance, that's a positive thing.
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cajun4clark Donating Member (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 12:16 AM
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8. The money raised by Dean and Clark
came from supporters, not from either candidate's personal wealth. Huge difference.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 12:05 AM
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3. The elite will show us the way to the promised land
Don't fight it... Because you can't.
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eileen_d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 12:07 AM
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5. Consider who Kerry may be running against in November
Edited on Mon Feb-09-04 12:07 AM by eileen_d
I have mixed feelings about this, honestly, but I'm not "extremely disturbed."
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 12:07 AM
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6. But the money didn't make the difference.
If it did, Iowa would have gone Dean.
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 12:11 AM
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7. Dean had $40 million
JK needed the boost to get his message out and the people latched on.
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cajun4clark Donating Member (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 12:18 AM
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9. Dean had $40 million because he had supporters
JK needed money because...
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 12:24 AM
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10. many supporters don't give money
and their support of the candidate is no less just because they haven't given money to the candidate.
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cajun4clark Donating Member (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 12:26 AM
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11. nice try
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 12:29 AM
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12. one shouldn't have to give money
to show they support someone.
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cajun4clark Donating Member (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 12:37 AM
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14. You're right about that.
But that's not really the point of my post. A candidate who can use his wealth to save his failing candidacy has an unfair advantage.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 12:42 AM
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16. many things are unfair
the digital divide is unfair. which is why i opposed the internet voting in michigan. this is far more unfair as it applies to a basic right people in america should have which is as fair and equal a voting system as possible. and i don't believe kerry spent the most money in iowa of all the candidates anyways. much bigger factors than money in that race. the same goes for new hampshire. money matters more in later states where candidates have less chance of personal contact with voters and to engage in discussion debate etc.
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Raya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 01:59 AM
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30. Any he respected his supporters by spending it so carefully, right?
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ModerateMiddle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 12:36 AM
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13. Then what accounted for Edwards
great result in Iowa? He didn't have all that money.
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cajun4clark Donating Member (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 12:41 AM
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15. Apparently Edwards didn't need it.
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 12:50 AM
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20. Can you prove Kerry needed the $6M?
to win Iowa?

Ok then.
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KC21304 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 12:43 AM
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17. Are you trying to bring logic to this discussion ? Get with the program.
Kerry won only because he had more money. Except he didn't. And Dean couldn't win because he didn't have enough money. Except he did. And Edwards ...... well you get the idea.
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cajun4clark Donating Member (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 12:57 AM
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24. The issue is how campaigns should/should not be financed
Should the wealthy have such an advantage? It's a simple question.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 01:05 AM
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27. only way to make it public funds
the fact is those who give money to candidates tend to be better off in many ways from another group of americans who don't even vote, don't have access to a computer, internet etc. so even candidates who get money from the people have an advantage .
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cajun4clark Donating Member (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 01:09 AM
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29. I totally agree with public funds.
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Raya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 12:47 AM
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18. I am Extremely Disturbed that DEAN does NOT use his $3 mill To Save His
candidacy.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 12:51 AM
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21. Yea. Lets find some indigent fellow to run against Chimpys $100 million
You guys kill me. No shit. A laugh a minute around here.

Don

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MurikanDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 12:53 AM
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22. It was a loan and there's nothing illegal about it
You are upset about it because it helped him to win? So, if it didn't help him win, then you wouldn't have cared. Sheesh!
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ozone_man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 09:47 AM
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33. A loan is not the point, it was $6M
that did not come from his supporter base. He bought the primaries with his own money. And the media assassination of Dean did the rest of the job.
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shivaji Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 12:56 AM
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23. The fatal error of Clark & his supporters
was that they attacked Dean pre-Iowa instead of concentrating
on the DLC favorite, Mr JFK. Complete miscalculation, and is
the main reason Kerry will be nominated in a cakewalk.
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cajun4clark Donating Member (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 01:01 AM
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25. Apparently it didn't matter what we did to Kerry
because he had $6 million on hand just in case.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 01:09 AM
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28. dean spent more than kerry
the fact remains that dean spent more money than kerry. and if it's self financing you have an issue with then you should have just started a thread saying you oppose it rather than claiming the 6 million helped kerry in iowa. because kerry didn't spent all that money in iowa and dean in fact spent more.
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Raya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 01:05 AM
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26. Kerry was OUTSPENT 2 to 1 in Iowa by Dean and got 1/5th the Media

Kerry was also hugely outspent by both Dean and Clark in NH.
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WiseMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-04 02:22 AM
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31. I think Clark out-spent Kerry in every contested State. What's your prob.
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