Official MAINE results thread

[Skinner]

In order to help everyone keep track of the returns from Maine, please post all updates in this official thread. Please do not start a bunch of other results threads, as they will just make people confused.

INSTRUCTIONS

Please put the most important information from each update in the SUBJECT LINE of your post, so the returns are easy to follow. Include the percent of precincts reporting, followed by the first three or four candidates in order. Kinda like this:

00% reporting - Candidate A 00%, Candidate B 00%, Candidate C 00%, Candidate D 00%

This thread is for results ONLY. Please avoid unnecessary discussion in this thread. :thumbsup:

[redsoxliberal]

1. 40%

40% Precincts Reporting declared winner
Candidates Votes %

Sen. John F. Kerry 3,373 46%
Howard Dean 1,882 26%
Rep. Dennis J. Kucinich 978 13%
Sen. John Edwards 650 9%
Gen. Wesley K. Clark 276 4%
Uncommitted 95 1%
Al Sharpton 15 0%
Other (WI) 0 0%

[Maine Mary]

4. Thanks for the update

NECM keeps reporting the same numbers I heard over an hour ago.

[redsoxliberal]

5. NECN, no? n/t

[Maine Mary]

6. Oops. You've got it

Thanks. :-)

[joshcryer]

2. CNN, 25% in: Kerry 48% Dean 25% Ku 14% Ed 8% Clark 4%

[question everything]

3. 25% reporting: Kerry 48%, Dean 25%, Kucinich 14%

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/national/AP-Democrats.html?hp

[theoceansnerves]

7. AP...Kerry 46.4%, Dean 25.9%

259/649 reporting
votes %
John Kerry 3,373 46.4%
Howard Dean 1,882 25.9%
Dennis Kucinich 978 13.5%
John Edwards 650 8.9%
Wesley Clark 276 3.8%
Uncommitted 95 1.3%
Al Sharpton 15 0.2%
Other (WI) 0 0.0%

[NashVegas]

8. ME -- 259 /649 -- Kerry 46% -- Dean 25% -- Kucinich 13%

John Kerry Dem 3,373 46.4% 0
Howard Dean Dem 1,882 25.9% 0
Dennis Kucinich Dem 978 13.5% 0
John Edwards Dem 650 8.9% 0
Wesley Clark Dem 276 3.8% 0
Uncommitted Dem 95 1.3% 0
Al Sharpton Dem 15 0.2% 0
Other (WI) Dem 0 0.0% 0

[janx]

9. AP: 259 of 649 prec. Kerry 46.4, Dean 25.9, KU 13.5,

Edwards 8.9, Clark 3.8, uncomm. 1.3, Sh .02

http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/files/elections/2004/primaries/by_state/ME_Page.html?SITE=YAHOOELN&SECTION=POLITICS#TOP

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

14. n/t

[milkyway]

10. AP just projected Kerry the winner. nt

[MaineDem]

11. CNN now projecting Kerry the winner (nt)

[Nicholas_J]

12. This site:

John Kerry Dem 3,373 46.4% 0
Howard Dean Dem 1,882 25.9% 0
Dennis Kucinich Dem 978 13.5% 0
John Edwards Dem 650 8.9% 0
Wesley Clark Dem 276 3.8% 0
Uncommitted Dem 95 1.3% 0
Al Sharpton Dem 15 0.2% 0
Other (WI) Dem 0 0.0%

http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/files/elections/2004/primaries/by_state/ME_Page.html?SITE=YAHOOELN&SECTION=POLITICS#TOP

[janx]

13. Do we get any more results, or do we just stop at the

"projected winner"?

[theoceansnerves]

15. 50% reporting CNN - Kerry 45%, Dean 26%

Kerry 4,843 45%
Dean 2,774 26%
Kucinich 1,581 15%
Edwards 916 9%
Clark 407 4%
Sharpton 23 0%

[adamrsilva]

16. Whoa, is DK gonna get delegates here?

.

[Renew Deal]

17. Kucinich might get a delegate.

[SadEagle]

18. AP:322/649: Preliminary delegate projections: Kerry 15, Dean 9

Obviously, can change, and the trend is in Kucinich's favor.

[janx]

19. With 327 precincts still to go, yes. n/t

[theoceansnerves]

20. vote counting suspended

the tallying in maine has been suspended until tomorrow morning:

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04040/271025.stm

"Party officials noted the major city of Portland, where Dean was expected make a strong showing, had not yet reported its results when the count ended for the evening. The state party said it would resume the count this morning."

i believe they ended around midnight EST

[WonderGrunion]

21. I was a coordinator

I got an E-Mail just after midnight last night from the Maine Dem Party saying counting would resume in the morning. She says that Maine had a record turnout of just over 17,000 caucus goers and that there are now dozens of towns with a Democratic comittee that never had one before.
Yay Maine!! :yourock: My tiny town of Kenduskeag went 100% Howard Dean. (All 5 of us :) )Good luck to all candidates. We had a blast.

[goodhue]

22. 519 of 649 reporting - Kerry 45.1%, Dean 26.1%, Kucinich 15.7%

http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/files/elections/2004/primaries/by_state/ME_Page.html?SITE=YAHOOELN&SECTION=POLITICS#TOP

[goodhue]

23. If DK maintains > 15% will he not get any delegates?

[jamesinca]

24. Yes he will get a delegate

15% gives him at least 1 delegate.

[goodhue]

108. Actually 3-5 DK projected delegates if > 15% holds

If DK holds at 15.7% he should get four projected delegates. But could go up or down depending on what happens with rest of results. So either DK falls below up 15% and gets zero or he stays above and will get 3-5 projected delegates.

[goodhue]

25. I think he could get a national delegate . . . anyone?

http://www.mainedems.org/

[Freddie Stubbs]

26. 80.5% reporting - Kerry 47%, Dean 26%, DK 14%

http://www.wmtw.com/Global/story.asp?S=1636131&nav=7k6rKhOj

[mopinko]

27. does this slow count smell?

here in chicago, legend has it, the last results were always from "the river wards". i'm not exactly sure who lived near the river in those days. but when the elections were tight, it would take a long time to get these counts. the reason, of course, was that they wanted everything else counted, so that they would know how many votes to steal.
so, slow counts always make me wonder.
:tinfoilhat:

[goodhue]

28. reread post #20

counting was suspended last night and resumed this morning

[revcarol]

29. 2 P. M. EST and we STILL don't have 100% results?

And STILL not 100% results in Washington?

The Democratic Party could have forseen that there would be GREAT anger and interest in this election.Did they think we would all just STAY HOME WHEN THE FUTURE OF OUR COUNTRY AND THE WORLD IS AT STAKE?

:argh:

[goodhue]

30. kick for lack of final results

what gives?
did they suspend counting again or something?

[redsoxliberal]

31. no, no

they are changing the votes from Dean to Kerry.


It's all good.

[MaineDem]

37. Come on, that's not true (nt)

[cthrumatrix]

32. I don't get it...? Can anybody share what the problem remains?

[goodhue]

33. results seem stuck at 519 of 649 precincts reporting

http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/files/elections/2004/primaries/by_state/ME_Page.html?SITE=YAHOOELN&SECTION=POLITICS#TOP

[cthrumatrix]

34. is there a problem...wrong count etc..? can't be too many votes 24 hrs

later..?

[MaineDem]

36. Computer problems and

trying to get the information from a few towns.

The office computers went down today.

[Freddie Stubbs]

35. Delegates: Kerry 15, Dean 9, Others 0

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/primaries/pages/dates/02/08/index.html

[goodhue]

38. that's BS since DK has 15.7% and counting . . .

[goodhue]

39. more numbers

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P04/ME-D.phtml

[revcarol]

43. Delegates: Kerry 13, Dean 6, Kucinich 5

based on 80%. They are doing this the way it's actually done...but the count isn't complete, so it's all still up in the air.

[goodhue]

44. cool

your source?

[revcarol]

46. Second chart down, the green papers,

but hell, I can't figure out if this is national delegates...looks like it, plus others chosen at state convention?

[creativelcro]

40. Why haven't all the votes been counted yet in Maine ?

It's still at 80% of the caucus sites. http://mainedems.org /

People in Maine should be looking into this actively because it smells very fishy.

[goodhue]

41. something about computer problems?!

lol

[creativelcro]

42. That used to happen in VoteScam too, many years ago...

Computer glitch. Then new numbers. I wish we could trust the people involved in this. But, frankly, unless one person for each candidate is involved at every stage, I'm afraid cheating is simply unavoidable...

[goodhue]

45. where are the final results???

where is the outrage?

[creativelcro]

47. The results are made up, I'm afraid...

[Anwen]

48. This is disturbing.

Where are the rest of the results??

Furthermore, did we ever get the final results from Washington???? If not there is something seriously wrong here.

[creativelcro]

49. Not disturbing, according to this WA guy from blackboxvoting.org

Yeah, everything is fine, don't worry... Manual count = no cheating...
Something is really screwed up here....

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Yes, it makes perfect sense to me that Kerry won. Our caucus system is completely open, I don't see how anyone could cheat on it. There may be ways but not enough to sway the delegate count enough to change the outcome much.
I was Precinct Caucus Officer (PCO) for my precinct. 11 voters, 9 Kerry, one Dean and one Kucinich. In order to be able to send a delegate to the county caucus, any candidate has to have 15% of the total number of voters in each precinct. In this case Kerry got 3 of the 4 delegates and the Dean and Kucinich voters sat down and decided that the Dean voter would switch his vote to Kucinich. That got Kucinich a delegate. This happened in every precinct in the state.

On April 24, all of the delegates meet in their counties and do the same thing over again, naming delegates to the state meeting.

No machines, no ballots, transparent.

[Eloriel]

50. You haven't been keeping up with some of the inside info

There are some reports of some serious problems with the WA Caucus.

[Anwen]

51. I've heard of a few inconsistencies...

Do you have any more information on what the problems are and what they are doing to fix them?

This is driving me crazy.

[creativelcro]

57. Eloriel, I AGREE with you! I was bitching about that naive message!

[ByRillYAN]

52. Kick not all results back, still

fish, is that fish i smell.
this don't seem to bode well for Kucinich n my mind.

[SadEagle]

53. Ah, well, what did someone say about belonging to an organized party?

My sympathies to Kucinich fans and supporters on having to wait so long to find out whether he've finally earned some delegates w/his hard work.

(BTW, my current guess at the delegate split, if the counts hold:12/7/4; the fractional ones are 12.455/7.208/4.336, and I guess Kerry gets the split one since he has the largest share)

[cthrumatrix]

54. Day 3 and no totals yet ...only 80%...something sounds very wrong

we need some answers here.

[Skip Intro]

55. Yep

Those 80% numbers have been out since about noon yesterday, I believe. No updates since. No explanations I can find.

wtf?

Does anyone know of Portland has been added to the totals we're seeing?

[creativelcro]

78. again

[creativelcro]

58. Either votes are being flipped and there is some negotiation

or they are just waiting, until more endorsements go to Kerry before they release the "final" numbers ("oops, just finished counting... Not as good for Kerry as originally reported, but what can we do now?"

[Skip Intro]

62. I was thinking along those lines myself

If the race turns out to be much tighter, and those results are not known until after today's polls close, it would have the effect not only of falsely sustaining Kerry's momentum, but of muting Dean's momentum as well.

Would results less flattering to Kerry be held back purposely until after it really mattered? Pure speculation at this point, admittedly. I'm just thinking out loud. But something is strange about taking three days to count the vote.

We shall see.

[creativelcro]

65. I BET that is the reason...

[MaineDem]

66. You'd lose that bet (nt)

[creativelcro]

67. If you and your Maine buddies were so serious about this

you would call up various media agencies and make sure they report about this issue. Even better, you would not have released ANY results until ALL results were counted.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

68. 20,000 attended. 2000 showed up in Portland- not yet counted

If every single Portlander voted for Dean he could still not win.

[creativelcro]

69. But only 80% of caucus sites have been counted

Besides, what is your point ? It's not a winner-take -all game...

[Skip Intro]

70. That was Sunday, this is Tuesday - why not yet counted?

That's one big question.

And a valid question.

I didn't see anyone claiming Dean had won.

But that wasn't the question anyway.

(on edit - woops)

[creativelcro]

71. isn't today Tuesday ?

:) Still...

[Skip Intro]

73. sleep deprivation taking its toll

:D

[creativelcro]

75. Zzzzz

:silly:

[joshcryer]

59. It's called "political apathy." :)

It's common in a society where people 'see' who's going to win the overall vote and forget that delegates matter to everyone, but simply don't care.

[Tinoire]

60. Trying to bury the evidence I think. This is not looking good at all.

Not at all!

[MaineDem]

63. No one's burying anything

I'm trying to find out the story.

I do know that some towns haven't reported yet. These are mostly small towns that might not have had anyone show up. Portland hasn't reported yet either and they had over 2000 people in attendance.

Trust me, no one's trying any harder than those in our state Democratic HQ. We want to get this right. Everyone who was elected as a delegate knows. It's just a case of reporting, recording, and disseminating the results right now.

This is new for us. Someone posted earlier that Maine's been doing this for years. Wrong! This is the first Presidential Preference Caucus since 1992. We're learning.

I'll post here as soon as I know more.

[Freddie Stubbs]

61. Read post #20

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=294713#299642

[creativelcro]

64. Ok, but WHY ?

>>
Party officials noted the major city of Portland, where Dean was expected make a strong showing, had not yet reported its results when the count ended for the evening. The state party said it would resume the count THIS morning.
>>

The article refers to YESTERDAY morning... So, how long does it take to report a few thousand votes?

[Freddie Stubbs]

72. Sorry, meant #36

:dunce:

[creativelcro]

74. Thanks... Now I feel better..

What happenend to the "computers" ? They all got the MyDoom virus ? Was there a power surge that destroyed them ?... This is lame, sorry...



>>
trying to get the information from a few towns.

The office computers went down today.
>>

[goodhue]

56. kick for tuesday morning

any final results?
anyone?

[creativelcro]

76. Kick for Tuesday late morning

Any results ? is the fix in ?

[mopinko]

77. kick for tuesday morning

this is how we steal them here in chitown.

[goodhue]

79. Computers stall final caucus numbers

http://www.wmtw.com/Global/story.asp?S=1638020

Computers stall final caucus numbers
Tuesday, February10, 2004, 8:28 AM

PORTLAND (AP) -- Maine's Democratic presidential caucuses were held two days ago, but the final tally is still not complete.

The Democratic Party in Augusta blames computer problems for stalling the count at 80 percent of the vote. Who won is not in doubt.

Mass. Sen. John Kerry has 47 percent of the votes, well ahead of Howard Dean, who has 26 percent.

Ohio Congressman Dennis Kucinich took third place with 14 percent. Twenty-four delegates were at stake. As it stands, Kerry would get 15 delegates and Dean nine.

[revcarol]

80. What happened to Kucinich's 15.7 per cent?

And Kerry's percentage going DOWN to 45%?

smells of fish.

[goodhue]

82. Yes well IMHO delay is all about denying/downplaying DK delegate

I think the AP is using older numbers in an apparent inability to credit DK's place. He has 15.7% as of most current numbers. I don't know how the AP would have insights into the as yet unaccounted for precincts but maybe they know something about computers.

[creativelcro]

81. "Who won" is irrelevant because it's not "winner-take-all"

Why the hell do they continue pushing that shit ?

[MaineDem]

83. I do agree with you; it's not winner-take-all

And if there is any sort of manipulation...if there is any question about validity... I will, literally, be one of the first to hear about it and deal with it.

The people involved in organizing, conducting, and reporting these caucus results are NOT trying to do anything funny.

I don't like this any better than you do. This will get sorted out. I even think, with Portland's total added in, that Dean and Kucinich may move up a bit but that's just a personal opinion.

As soon as I know anything more I'll post it here.

[justinpower]

85. Hey MaineDem

If you are somehow invoved with the state party there, could you comment on the #'s as far as DK moving from 15.7 to 14. Just wondering if you have the actual accurate 80% count. Thanks

[MaineDem]

87. From the party web site:

Votes: % of vote: Delegates:
Clark: 564 4 106
Dean: 3960 26 729
Edwards: 1187 8 193
Kerry: 6842 45 1304
Kucinich: 2383 16 381
Lieberman: 6 0 0
Sharpton: 26 0 4
Uncommited: 191 1 34
Total: 15158 100% 2753

12:00, February 9th with 80% of the caucus sites reporting.

(These are state convention delegates.)

This shows DK with 16%. To be honest, I don't know which numbers are most accurate.

[goodhue]

90. Cf. AP wire with very similar numbers . . .

http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/files/elections/2004/primaries/by_state/ME_Page.html?SITE=YAHOOELN&SECTION=POLITICS#TOP

President - - 519 of 649 precincts reporting
Name Party Votes Pct Delegates
John Kerry Dem 6,842 45.1% 15
Howard Dean Dem 3,960 26.1% 9
Dennis Kucinich Dem 2,382 15.7% 0
John Edwards Dem 1,187 7.8% 0
Wesley Clark Dem 564 3.7% 0
Uncommitted Dem 191 1.3% 0
Al Sharpton Dem 26 0.2% 0
Other (WI) Dem 6 0.0% 0

Note that it lists DK with 2382 (not 2383) for 15.7%.
That should result in at least one delegate if not more but AP continues to show 15/9 split between Kerry/Dean. Seems to me that if DK maintains greater than 15% he should get 3-5 delegates.

[MaineDem]

93. It depends on delegates to the state convention

The actually allocation of delegates to the National convention is done in May.

There is no 15% threshold at the caucus level so every candidate with enough votes gets delegates to the state convention.

There the delegates pledged to each candidate are counted and the percentages are calculated. If any candidates get less than 15% they are excluded and the count is redone. Then the percentage of delegates is calculated and that percentage must be reflected in the National Convention delegates elected. Make any sense?

[goodhue]

103. thanks!

I understand the process and that national delegates will be selected in May. Nonetheless, the AP reports projected delegate totals.

If current precentages were to hold throughout the process, then would not the 24 projected delegates likely be distributed thusly:

JK 13
HD 7
DK 4

At least that is what my calculator suggests. Any corrections?

[MaineDem]

107. I got 12 - 7 - 5

But don't quote me. :)

It depends, too, on how many of the delegates actually show up in May.

[goodhue]

109. yeah it depends how you do the math

I was using raw numbers rather than percentages.

JK has 6842
HD has 3960
DK has 2382
for total of 13184
all others below 15% so not counted towards projection
(although I assume these folks can realign later)

JK (6842/13184)*24 = 12.46
HD (3960/13184)*24 = 7.21
DK (2382/13184)*24 = 4.34

[justinpower]

94. Thank You n/t

[revcarol]

86. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU...

for all your efforts, MaineDem. I am sure you are making sure the process is honest. We are just getting anxious...

And STILL waiting for the results from Washington.:grouphug: from all of us for your hard work.

[creativelcro]

88. But, you see, MaineDem, how can we trust you, though ? No offense.

Anybody can say "trust me". For what I know you are a kerry supporter who would not hesitate flipping votes. Not saying you are. Just saying that, for what I know, you COULD be. So, either there is OBJECTIVE evidence, or there is no point... There are questions about validity, already.

[MaineDem]

89. Actually I didn't take any offense

I understand you.

And I'll be upfront and say that I am a Kerry supporter.

But that would never EVER stop me from being objective when it comes to votes. But there is no way to prove that here.

[pezcore64]

97. hum

"The people involved in organizing, conducting, and reporting these caucus results are NOT trying to do anything funny."

I wouldnt go speaking for other people just because you know them or are their friend. People are sneaky in general. Its hard to tell when someone has their own motive for doing things. Remember, people are pretty selfish as a general rule. They want what they want and screw everyone else. Ideaology sure can get in the way of a clear thinking mind.

[pezcore64]

98. hum

"The people involved in organizing, conducting, and reporting these caucus results are NOT trying to do anything funny."

I wouldnt go speaking for other people just because you know them or are their friend. People are sneaky in general. Its hard to tell when someone has their own motive for doing things. Remember, people are pretty selfish as a general rule. They want what they want and screw everyone else. Ideaology sure can get in the way of a clear thinking mind.

[janx]

84. It sells TV commercials. n/t

[redqueen]

92. It's not obvious?

The press has an agenda here. They're pushing it.

[Anwen]

91. What about Washington?

PLEASE tell me they have all the results counted there...I lost the link to that info, so if someone could help me out -- thanks! :)

[HFishbine]

96. Here's the latest from WA

still 5 precincts uncounted:

http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/files/elections/2004/primaries/by_state/WA_Page.html?SITE=YAHOOELN&SECTION=POLITICS#TOP

[Anwen]

99. Thank you.

:)

[creativelcro]

101. 55 precints uncounted in WA (not 5)...

[goodhue]

104. 6,497 of 6,552 precincts reporting in WA

http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/files/elections/2004/primaries/by_state/WA_Page.html?SITE=YAHOOELN&SECTION=POLITICS#TOP

[Anwen]

106. Crazy!

So what on God's green earth is the problem in Washington? Computer problems too?! Or have they just decdided to stop counting?

It seems like this would be a much, much bigger deal than it is.

[HFishbine]

113. Yes, you're right. My bad.

Thanks for the correction.

[ps1074]

95. so, 2 days later there are still 20% of the precincts not counted?

Will the actual votes ever be known?

[janx]

100. At least 20%.

Mainers on the Dean blog are now saying it's over 20%--information they've gotten from Maine Dem HQ and Maine Dean HQ.

There's a lot of hand counting going on in Maine right now.

[creativelcro]

102. And who's doing the hand counting ? Kerry's people ??

[janx]

105. Don't know! n/t

[goodhue]

110. kick

for Tuesday lunch

[NashVegas]

111. FWIW: update from the blog:

RE: News from Maine.

This morning the local news said the reason we don't have complete results yet is because the computer they were using crashed.

On a positive note, they also said over 20,000 people attended the caucuses. Less than 15,000 votes have been reported so far. The final results could be totally different.
Posted by Debbie in ME at February 10, 2004 07:37 AM
==

From today's bangornews.com:
As the Democratic presidential candidates head south and west to primary contests elsewhere, state party officials on Monday continued to plod through hundreds of tally sheets generated by a huge turnout at Sunday's caucuses.With 84 percent of the results in - delayed, party officials say, by pending reviews and computer problems - U.S. Sen. John Kerry had won 47 percent of the state's delegates. Former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean won 26 percent and U.S. Rep. Dennis Kucinich of Ohio had 14 percent.


====


Still 3k WA delegates unaccounted for, as well.

[Mairead]

112. I'd love to know what the safeguards are, if any

[Anwen]

115. Me too.

Common sense tells me that the longer it takes them to tally the results, the less accurate the results will be.

Jeezus, expecially in Washington. What is going on??????

[goodhue]

114. why does this DK at 14% keep showing up in AP stories

Is there any basis in fact?
Is his most current number not 15.7%?
Why has this not been reported?
DK went over 15% threshold around noon on Monday and no further results have yet appeared. Is this a coincidence?

[NashVegas]

116. Yes, That is Odd

I hadn't noticed.

As for the newpaper line "other reviews" I also saw entries that mentioned hand counts.

[redqueen]

118. No coincidence

Journalists would rather eat broken glass than say "Kucinich".

That's why CNN had no crawl giving the percentages, as they did with every other primary and caucus.

That's why CNN reported ONLY the first and second place candidates, and only mentioned Kucinich as an afterthought (so and so won first, and so and so won second, followed by Kucinich Clark Edwards blah blah blah).

I think it's about time Democrats started WAKING UP and appreciating who's really on their side!

[Mairead]

119. Right on, RQ -- we need to learn who our friends are!

[MaineDem]

117. 564 of 649...

President - - 564 of 649 precincts reporting
Name Party Votes Pct Delegates
John Kerry Dem 7,189 45.0% 15
Howard Dean Dem 4,241 26.6% 9
Dennis Kucinich Dem 2,476 15.5% 0
John Edwards Dem 1,223 7.7% 0
Wesley Clark Dem 602 3.8% 0
Uncommitted Dem 195 1.2% 0
Al Sharpton Dem 27 0.2% 0
Other (WI)

[goodhue]

120. finally some movement after 24 hour stall!

http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/files/elections/2004/primaries/by_state/ME_Page.html?SITE=YAHOOELN&SECTION=POLITICS#TOP

President - - 564 of 649 precincts reporting
Name Party Votes Pct Delegates
John Kerry Dem 7,189 45.0% 15
Howard Dean Dem 4,241 26.6% 9
Dennis Kucinich Dem 2,476 15.5% 0
John Edwards Dem 1,223 7.7% 0
Wesley Clark Dem 602 3.8% 0
Uncommitted Dem 195 1.2% 0
Al Sharpton Dem 27 0.2% 0
Other (WI) Dem

AP is still misallocating delegate projections at 15/9

[Padraig18]

121. What is taking so ever-loving LONG, MaineDem?

Why is this count taking so long? The caucuses were Sunday, and this is Tuesday, after all... Any idea?

[Anwen]

122. Still waiting on 85 precincts...

hmmmm.....

[goodhue]

123. well it took 24 hours for the most recent 45 precincts to register

so at that rate I wouldn't expect complete results anytime today

[Padraig18]

124. Kick

[OutlawCorporatePolls]

125. sorry maine and washington...

...we have to get kerry thru the virginia and tennessee primaries, before we let you know that kucinich an dean are making a resurgence. your truly, the media and the dnc.

[goodhue]

126. It is curious

that the two states in which Dean and DK were strong 2nd and 3rd have not finished counting. DK in particular has been denied coverage of the news that he likely picked up his first national delegates in Maine last Sunday. But AP and CNN have already assigned those delagates to Kerry and Dean. Go figure.

[Anwen]

128. Something is just not right here.

Ok, so Maine supposedly had computer problems -- fine. We should be getting the results hopefully soon.

But Washington???? I find it inconceivable that they haven't finished counting precincts yet. It is also unfathomable that no one seems to care (except for Dean & Kucinich supporters) that they neither places have 100% in yet. Have they just stopped counting? They might as well, who would be the wiser?

Dean, and especially Kucinich, are really getting screwed here.

[creativelcro]

127. latest numbers

http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/files/elections/2004/primaries/by_state/ME_Page.html?SITE=YAHOOELN&SECTION=POLITICS#TOP

800+ new votes reported...
Of this batch, Dean picked up 281 (33.6%)
Kerry picked up 347 (41.5%)

These are substantially better for Dean... We'll see when all the remaining 5k votes are in... Dean may pick up another delegate... Not sure...

[Anwen]

129. How much more does he need to get another delegate?

Thanks for the new numbers :-)

[goodhue]

132. yes but Dean & Kerry will likely each loose 2 delegates to DK

who is continuing to place above 15%

[madfloridian]

130. Where did you see the new votes?

I just see the same figures??

[creativelcro]

131. links...

Old: http://mainedems.org/
Caucus Results Are in! Record Turnout at Feb. 8th Democratic Caucuses

Votes: % of vote: Delegates:
Clark: 564 4 106
Dean: 3960 26 729
Edwards: 1187 8 193
Kerry: 6842 45 1304
Kucinich: 2383 16 381
Lieberman: 6 0 0
Sharpton: 26 0 4
Uncommited: 191 1 34
Total: 15158 100% 2753

12:00, February 9th with 80% of the caucus sites reporting.

New: http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/files/elections/2004/primaries/by_state/ME_Page.html?SITE=YAHOOELN&SECTION=POLITICS#TOP

564 of 649 precincts reporting
Name Party Votes Pct Delegates
John Kerry Dem 7,189 45.0% 15
Howard Dean Dem 4,241 26.6% 9
Dennis Kucinich Dem 2,476 15.5% 0
John Edwards Dem 1,223 7.7% 0
Wesley Clark Dem 602 3.8% 0
Uncommitted Dem 195 1.2% 0
Al Sharpton Dem 27 0.2% 0
Other (WI) Dem 7 0.0% 0

[cthrumatrix]

134. this really sucks...where is any media coverage of this crap?

[goodhue]

135. brief AP blurb this morning

see
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=294713#303309

Otherwise media silence. The media has already divied up ME's 24 delegates with 15 to Kerry and 9 to Dean and moved on. It will be curious to see how they account if at all for likely 13-7-4 or 12-7-5 distribution.

[goodhue]

133. still stuck at 564 of 649 precincts reporting

http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/files/elections/2004/primaries/by_state/ME_Page.html?SITE=YAHOOELN&SECTION=POLITICS#TOP

[goodhue]

136. kick for Wed morning

http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/files/elections/2004/primaries/by_state/ME_Page.html?SITE=YAHOOELN&SECTION=POLITICS#TOP

[goodhue]

137. please explain!

http://www.pressherald.com/news/state/040211caucus.shtml

If the percentages remain as they are, Kucinich, who had 16 percent of the votes Sunday, still will not be able to send any delegates from Maine because he has only 14 percent of the delegates to the state convention. Dean has 28 percent and Kerry has 44 percent.

[goodhue]

143. MaineDem are you out there?

If so, I would be appreciate any insight you might have with regard to concept of DK getting 16 percent of votes but only 14 percent of delegates, thereby getting no national delegates whatsoever.

I'm sure its all above broad, but the numbers do lend themselves to conspiracy theories.

Or anyone else have any informed insight into this issue?

[Skip Intro]

138. Wednesday evening kick - where are the votes????

When will we have the complete totals?

We had 100% of VA reporting before midnight last night.

This has become extremely suspicious.

Seems like somebody with pull would be raising hell about this.

What is going on with the vote in ME?!

[Freddie Stubbs]

139. Locals have until Feb 15 to report results to the state party

http://www.pressherald.com/news/state/040211caucus.shtml

[Skip Intro]

140. More excuses than, well...

I won't say it.

You think they'll make the deadline?

At least there's a big yellow dog on the job:
-----------
It took a while, she said, "going through every single caucus reporting form, validating them, making sure that there weren't any mistakes. And we came up with the total number of caucus votes for each candidate and then we came up with the number of delegates for each candidate."

The forms spent Monday and Tuesday "on my kitchen table," Waxman said. "With my big, yellow dog guarding them."
-----------

Imagine an election official in FL saying that after the 2000 vote.

[creativelcro]

141. Thursday eeearly morning kick

At this point, the Maine dems lost credibility...

[Freddie Stubbs]

142. Not excuses, those are the rules

That were set up prior to the caucuses. I'm glad that Governor Dean's campaign (and the other campaigns)has been patient.

[jamesinca]

144. Dewey Wins

I am irritated by the article in my local paper by the AP on sun/mon that Kerry won by a landslide, when 49% of the vote was in, if it turns out to be true or not, it irritates me. Still the numbers have not moved since tuesday.

with 86.90292% reporting

Kerry 45%
Dean 26.6%
Kucinich 15.5%
Edwards 7.7%
Sharpton 0.2%

[Skip Intro]

145. Thursday - yes, Thursday night kick

CNN still reporting 80%, updated at three something this afternoon.

*sigh*

Sure hope the same people don't run the fire departments up there.

[joshcryer]

147. Welcome to democracy.

heh

[goobergunch]

146. 80% reporting - Kerry 45%, Dean 26%, Kucinich 16%, Edwards 8%

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/primaries/pages/dates/02/08/index.html

[goodhue]

148. so please explain why no projected DK national delegates!

anyone?

[goobergunch]

149. Because CNN is stupid

Here's what I have for Maine:

Dean - 2
Kerry - 5
Kucinich - 1
Uncommitted - 16

[Skip Intro]

150. And here we are at Saturday - numbers not updated for 5 days now

:shrug:

http://www.mainedems.org

[tinanator]

151. WTF?

There is no excuse, so I assume one is not being provided?