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WhoCountsTheVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 02:22 PM
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George Bush & John Kerry & Teresa Heinz Kerry & John Heinz
http://69.28.73.17/thornarticles/bloodbrothers.html

Following the 2000 presidential race, with memories of Votescam, hanging chads, the debacle in Florida and a possible “stolen” election still fresh in our minds, many people are wondering if this fall’s contest will likewise be marred by some form of vote tampering or electronic ballot rigging...

In addition, each of these men were members of Skull & Bones, the most exclusive secret society/fraternity in America, and prime breeding ground for the CIA and Council on Foreign Relations (CFR).

But wait; there’s more. John Kerry’s wife, Teresa, was formerly married to Pennsylvania Senator John Heinz. Guess what college he attended. Answer: Yale. And guess what notorious fraternity he pledged to. Skull & Bones! Now ask yourself: what are the odds that both presidential candidates went to the same school, belonged to the same secret society, and that one of their wives was married to TWO different Skull & Bonesmen? It’s infinitesimal … off the charts.

To make matters even stranger, Teresa Kerry’s widowed husband also had direct ties to the Bush family. According to researcher Rodney Stich in Defrauding America, when George Bush Sr. and CIA Director William Casey engineered the October Surprise to bribe Iranian officials into retaining U.S. hostages until after the 1980 elections, two of the passengers on Bush’s BAC 111 flight to Paris were Senator John Heinz, along with Senator John Tower from Texas.

Even more intriguing is the fact that John Heinz chaired a three-man presidential review board that probed the Iran-Contra affair and had in his possession all the damning documents from that sordid affair, while John Tower led the infamous Tower Commission that investigated a variety of different CIA criminal activities and dirty dealings. Coincidentally, both John Heinz and John Tower died in plane wrecks on successive days in 1991 – Tower in Georgia, and Heinz in Montgomery County, Pa. Once again I must ask: what are the odds of such an occurrence, especially when both men had close ties to George Bush Sr., who was a former CIA director in the mid-1970s? Did both of these men uncover information that they refused to keep silent about any longer?


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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 02:25 PM
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WhoCountsTheVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 02:27 PM
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2. Iran Contra and BCCI - just conspiracy theories?
I mean, Bush would never break the law would he?
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 02:38 PM
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3. Name-Dropping, Coincidences, and Innuendo

This what passes here as informed argument? Tangential family relationships, attendance at the same college (separate years), and wild murder conspiracies presented without evidence?

The wielding of the tragic death of John Heinz is especially reprehensible. This form of slimy politics is on par with 'election-rigging' and vote-tampering. Slander is against the law. Wild conjecture should not be allowed to obscure this type of yellow journalism.

At the very least, this effort to defame the Kerry family should be strongly rejected by those who profess concern for justice and accountability.
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oxymoron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 03:05 PM
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7. Very well put.
This is nothing but slander.
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retread Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 02:49 PM
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4. Plus John Kerry once flew over a city where, at that very moment,
George Bush's wife's 2nd cousin was buying a six-pack from a man of Middle Eastern descent!!!!
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 02:57 PM
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5. Hey, remember when Chris Heinz posted on DU?
Chris Heinz said his dad was recruited for S&B. He did not join.

Regarding his step-dad, John Kerry, Chris Heinz said S&B is a social fraternity:

EXCERPT...

3) I just have to address the Skull and Bones issue for one second. I went to Yale too and was not in S&B. Nor was my father, though I gather he was tapped (aka invited). Skull and Bones is a social institution and I dont believe it wields political influence. If it did, I probably would have found it more alluring. The fact is that the only time I ever wanted to be in S&B was AFTER I saw Skulls, mostly because the Yale in that film was a lot cleaner, had bigger rooms, nicer cars and prettier girls than the Yale I went to. At Yale, we all thought it pretty silly. (PS - I still love Yale).

CONTINUED (Source Thread):

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=525419#530017
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WhoCountsTheVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 03:02 PM
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6. "I dont believe it wields political influence"
lol! :)
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 03:30 PM
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14. It's ironic, kind of.
Maybe, as Baldrick would say, "goldy" would be a better word.

Either way, power or no power, the thing about Kerry vs. Bush is that there is one good guy in Kerry vs. one bad guy in Bush. The factions divvy up along the lines of the Yankee-Cowboy war, the term author Carl Oglesby used to describe the rift between the old-line northeastern "Liberal" Wall Street establishment and the emerging "Conservative" nouveau riche Texas oil boys. Seems the CIA was split down the middle, eventually, with the two factions literally going to arms. Here's some background:

MYTH OF OLD MONEY LIBERALISM

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This conflict was dubbed the “Yankee-Cowboy War” by New Left theoretician Carl Oglesby (1971) and, by the mid-1970s, Kirkpatrick Sale (1975) declared that the battle had been largely won by the upstart “Cowboys,” resulting in a fundamental shift of power fromthe Eastern Establishment to the nouveaux riches of the Southern Rim. Consistent with the thesis of old money liberalism, Sale viewed the political ascendancy of new money as portending
a radical shift to the Right.

Yes, the newly rich. Particularly, they tend to move toward the Right. . . . As with the nouveaux of the late nineteenth century, who were notoriously reactionary, so the nouveaux of the middle twentieth century: they try to freeze the world at the point where they have reached their success, resisting advances by other people, other kinds, protesting anything that threatens their worldly goods (taxes, governments, unions). Far more than the families of established wealth, who have grudgingly adjusted to the inevitability of taxes, the painlessness of charity, and oblige of noblesse, the families of nouveau wealth still tend to protest the pulls at their purse strings and are not too concerned with the sophistication of that protest (Sale 1975:160–161).

This prognosis seemed to be confirmed by the election of Ronald Reagan, whom many viewed as an embodiment of the reputedly reactionary right-wing politics characteristic of the Sunbelt nouveaux riches (Sale 1975; Crawford 1980; Davis 1981; Dye, 1995). As already noted, evidence to support the thesis of old money liberalism, when any is given, typically takes the form of confirmation through the selective citing of individual cases.
For example, Franklin Roosevelt is routinely cited as evidence of the liberal predisposition of old money. The fact that Roosevelt was almost universally loathed within aristocratic circles as a “traitor to his class” (Aldrich 1988:227, 238) and bitterly opposed by a phalanx of du Ponts, Mellons, Pews, Harknesses, Aldriches, Pratts, and even Roosevelts within the ranks of the
arch-conservative American Liberty League (Wolfskill 1962) is for some reason not seen as a problem for theory. To demonstrate the right-wing proclivities of the nouveaux riches
it usually suffices to mention a Texas oil millionaire or two who have bankrolled right-wing causes (Sale 1975:160) or to assemble a list of a dozen new rich supporters of Ronald Reagan (Davis 1981:39–40). Whether these cases are representative of new wealth in general or whether a comparable list of old rich supporters of right-wing causes and candidates might just as easily have been assembled are never seriously considered.

CONTINUED FROM A GOOGLE ARCHIVE…

http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:2I6-CXzRc0wJ:darkwing.uoregon.edu/~vburris/oldmoney.pdf+%22yankee-cowboy+war%22+%2B+oglesby&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
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molly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 03:06 PM
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8. Didn't this little tidbit get posted here a few days ago?
someone has a run on tinfoil!
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WhoCountsTheVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 03:08 PM
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9. When Dems bring up Bush lies about WMD intelligence
They make jokes about "tinfoil" too!
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 03:11 PM
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10. If Kerry-Heinz travelled in the same social circles as the WWF crowd would
that put you at ease?

(WWF) World Wrestling Federation
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WhoCountsTheVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 03:13 PM
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11. by WWF crowd, you mean white working class people?
in that case yes.
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eileen_d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 03:14 PM
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12. Is this article going to be posted daily?
Why not hourly?

Do you really think no one on DU has heard of Kerry's connection to Skull and Bones or considered its implications?
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 03:22 PM
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13. OK - Lets say one believed there was something
to the Plane-wreck theory for Heinz. It doesn't seem like a bad thing for Kerry. Kerry and Heinz both investigating Iran-Contra and all.

Or would you think another plane-wreck is on the way if Kerry gets the nom?
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Doomsayer13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 03:33 PM
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15. Slandering a dead man, how disgraceful
Let the good man rest in peace for goodness sake.
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Cascadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 04:29 PM
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16. Odds of death when opposing Bush
...both John Heinz and John Tower died in plane wrecks on successive days in 1991 – Tower in Georgia, and Heinz in Montgomery County, Pa. Once again I must ask: what are the odds of such an occurrence, especially when both men had close ties to George Bush Sr., who was a former CIA director in the mid-1970s? Did both of these men uncover information that they refused to keep silent about any longer?"


Probably the same odds as when Paul Wellstone was killed in a plane crash only a week and a half before the 2002 election. Wellstone's challanger Norm Coleman was hand picked by Bush. Wellstone was the most vocal opponent of Bush against the plan to go to war with Iraq. Go figure!

:shrug:

John

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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 05:54 PM
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17. John Kerry will make a great President...he is the people's choice!
Carry on with crying in your teacup, though.
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