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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 10:40 AM
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Dean Blogger Reports Fraud in WA - Names Names
This is a pretty serious charge. The account names identifiable people in the Dem organization.


MAJOR PROBLEM IN 36TH DISTRICT CAUCUS - SEATTLE, WA. AT OUR CAUCUS IT WAS Dean 3 or 4 to Kerry 1 and we were shocked when Dean didn't win. SHOCKED!

Here is what happened in my precinct. We won 4 delegates for DEAN because none of the other candidates were viable. In our precinct Dean had over 71% of the votes...

BUT

When I went to the 36th district HQ's to find out what the caucus numbers were for the whole district and I looked on the computer that AMY HAGPOLAIN was entering data on - I discovered she had completely reallocated the delegate allocation for my precinct! She had entered only 1 DELEGATE FOR DEAN (instead of 4) and gave 1 delegate to Clark (note - we did not have a single Clark supporter at our precinct caucus), 1 to Edwards, and 1 to Kerry in my precinct - The precinct that went 71.1% for DEAN with no other candidate being viable or receiving a delegate. That single error affected Dean's delegate count by 1% at the Congressional District level. Looking further into the available paperwork, I found another error in another precinct that was next to mine at the caucus. Of the twelve precincts I had time to look at, I found two errors that gave delegates to Kerry that were not his. I also noticed that the head count in our district said we had 13 people signed in, when it was actually 21!!! That effects the percentage for viability and the delegate allocation!

This woman (AMY) got unbelievably angry (defensive) with me as soon as I pointed out the mistake. She immediately started berating me and started a big argument. We had quite an unpleasant shouting match. Then, she and another 36th District Official named PETE started a viscious passive aggressive game, blaming me for keeping them there to late, calling me a jack-ass, on and on and on. Eventually, they won the battle with the District Chair to stop the recount that we had in progress. I made them all stay as long as I could and we started recounting precincts to make sure that the sign-in (head count) numbers were accurate. We found that the majority of the precinct head counts (from the sign-in sheets) were under counted by one or two people and in some cases by as much as 5 to 10 people!!! A couple of the precincts were over counted.

Then PETE (last name unknown) told the Chair that no copies of the minutes needed to be made and he would keep them at his house. He started loading the Caucus Minutes into his car to take to his house and AMY was taking out tons of paperwork (I don't know what, exactly) while we were discussing when to start the recount again... the few people on my side who were trying to get the re-count done gave up as Pete and Amy talked the Chair into counting tomorrow and then she let them take all the minutes and delegates papers out the door... UNBELIEVABLE… I could not have made this up if I had tried my best! Truth IS stranger than fiction.

THE DEMOCRATS ARE F&^%ED in this District and, quite possibly, this state! I was treated so horribly for finding that first mistake and only wanted to look for more problems. Based on my intial findings this woman named AMY was either (1) inept or lazy and didn't care that she entered the data wrong or (2) she was stealing delegates from DEAN. Either way, it was wrong. When she was asked to correct her error and to look for others - she lost it and BLEW UP! She and her cohort Pete had absolutely no interest in accuracy... they kept repeating to me - "The election is over... Kerry won". They weren't accountable to anyone! This is not about who won - at least not now, anyway. This is about all of the votes at the caucus getting accurately counted so that the delegate allocation is correct. People like AMY and PETE need to be banned from doing this kind political work. I felt like I was a REPUBLICAN 'hanging chad' Party in Florida - or at least what I imagined it to have been like...

I'M WRITING "DEAN" ON MY BALLOT IN 2004.

Oh, I reported all of this to the KING COUNTY DEMOCRATS CHAIR, GREG RODRIGUEZ and he told me that I was only one of many who reported the same types of problem in other area districts. ..

We also reported this to some local campaign contacts and the State Democratic Party - pretty much were told by the state party that there was nothing we could do until Monday... UGH! We need the delegates TODAY! This has been an unbelievably UGLY day.


http://www.blogforamerica.com/archives/003605.comments.html



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Democrats unite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 10:45 AM
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1. What can I say I am shocked!
Would love to know Pete & Amy's ulterior motives!
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 10:48 AM
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2. so has the DNC commented on this or the caucus problems in MI?
haven't seen anything in the news.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 10:49 AM
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3. I'd like to hear the other side of this story before I conclude anything
Edited on Sun Feb-08-04 11:10 AM by NNN0LHI
Works out better that way. Who can start blogs? Anyone? Even a freeper can start blogs I bet.

Don

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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 11:02 AM
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6. I tend to believe it.
I see no reason why the person would lie, it's not like it changes the state outcome, just the delegate count.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 11:09 AM
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14. You cant think of a single reason why an anonymous blogger might fib?
OK.

Don

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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 11:14 AM
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18. Well, sure, but I find it unlikely.
Edited on Sun Feb-08-04 11:17 AM by joshcryer
That is all.

edit: just to expound, the apathy that was observed here is quite common in my personal life experiences with people, so that's primarily why I don't think the poster is lying; it's just typical of your average authority figure.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 11:04 AM
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8. I Agree with You
What's good about the report is that it names names, so those people can be tracked down and verified. Also, with specific precinct details, the same.

I just hope someone in the organization or press will do that, so this doubt can be removed.
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chascarrillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 11:07 AM
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12. Agreed
I don't even see a name attached to the claim. Nor a precinct number - pretty vital information to leave off, eh?
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For PaisAn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 10:56 AM
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4. Election 2000
Edited on Sun Feb-08-04 10:56 AM by For PaisAn
Florida redux. I'm totally disgusted with this entire primary. The media, DNC, everything. I'm in NY and feeling now "why bother, they've already decided who the anointed one will be." What a farce. I never thought I'd utter these words but "Are they any different than the Republicans."
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Anwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 11:00 AM
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5. Something is rotten in Washington..
I don't like the smell of this one bit. I have this awful feeling in the pit of my stomach. Something's not right and I have a feeling people won't ever get the truth anymore. ;(
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pezcore64 Donating Member (498 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 11:09 AM
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13. ...
me neither... something is definitely fishy...

Maybe we should have known better tho..
like theyd actually let someout outside washington with idea of radically changing the party be the nominee...
if the lowly republicans can find loopholes and backdoors in the election process, im sure democrats can 10 fold in their own primary.


Im starting to feel VERY disinfranciased again. More so than before this whole process began.

sad.

What if nationally we demand a recount?
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 11:04 AM
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7. seems to be a trend in most elections...these voting "irregularities" are
not so irregular anymore....can't imagine why?
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redsoxliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 11:04 AM
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9. That explains a lot
It looked a lot further apart then the results we were getting at DU.
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 11:07 AM
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11. i agree...I was reading from people at the caucus (in the room) that
Dean won...and gave the count...and then we got the numbers.

Welcome to amerika.
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 11:20 AM
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21. As I have been chastised many times for otherwise assuming:
DU is NOT a microcosm of the American electorate.
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King of New Orleans Donating Member (991 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 11:05 AM
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10. This blogger person
needs to learn to spell or write stuff down better.

I can't find anybody in the world with the last name Hagpolain, or Hagpolian, or Hagpolan. I'm not going to attempt any of the many other possibilities. Let me know when the right spelling of this last name appears.
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redsoxliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 11:09 AM
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15. Yep, that's right, nitpick to take away from the severity
of what *may* have happened.

This is very serious if true. And I would be shocked if it wasn't. We won Seattle handily. Perhaps this is why 50 some precincts are still not reporting?
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 11:12 AM
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17. Proper Spelling
I got this from someone else who did the digging:

Hagopian

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WhoCountsTheVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 11:10 AM
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16. Russell Trust has NOTHING to do with it!
just saying...
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 11:15 AM
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19. IF the DNC doesn't demand a recount...TM should be fired ...
no response from NH voting crap and now this. Lord knows the other "stuff" that has taken place.

The DNC is cooking this or allowing this to happen if they don't challenge this.
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democracy eh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 11:15 AM
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20. raises corruption vs. incompetence questions
hmmm
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redsoxliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 11:22 AM
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22. How would one go about getting this story to the mainstream media? n/t
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 11:23 AM
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23. Let's verify it first.
But I doubt anyone would care.
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-04 11:24 AM
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24. I am locking this thread...
Please feel free to repost when it can be linked to a credible news source. Right now, from a blog, it is considered an inflammatory rumor.

Thanks,

DU Moderator
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