They just Asked Bush about He and Kerry being bonesmen

[liberalmike27]

As beer the groups mandate, he said he couldn't talk about it. Clearly, this is just another question about where Kerry really stands, and who his special interests are. One of the things the Skulls do is hand influence to other bonesmen. Kerry even married into another bonesman's fortune, in Theresa Heinz Kerry, so he must take their creedo serious. Kerry, similarly, wouldn't say a word about the bones, and their possible nefarious objectives in the world either. Vietnam or no, I don't trust this upcoming election, where we might have two people who's only interest is in increasing power to this small sect of American wealth. We certainly have seen an example of what two bonemen did, in both Bushes, deregulation, and further enriching the already fabulously wealthy is what they do. Do we want to put a guy like Kerry in, who's beholding to the same group. I might consider it if he'd come right out and resolve his relationship, and state publicly he will not do anything for any other member. But he's not going to do that.

[MoonRiver]

1. Silence is mandatory for Masons also. That's what "secret" societies do.

It's silly, but makes them feel 'special'.

Let's see, what kind of conspiracy theories can we build about the Masons? Must be something.

:tinfoilhat: :think:

[King of New Orleans]

3. There actually was

an Anti-Masonic party in the 1800s. I believe Vermont, Upstate NY and parts of Central PA were it's strongholds.

[MoonRiver]

10. See, I told you!

Let's do some digging! I bet one of our Dem candidates has distant relatives who were involved in this cult!

[King of New Orleans]

14. Here's a very brief synopsis of the Anti-Masons party

http://college.hmco.com/history/readerscomp/rcah/html/ah_004400_antimasons.htm

The Anti-Masons were actually the first 3rd Party. First to select their candidate by national convention and the first to adopt an official party platform.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

21. wow. from your link:

"They maintained that the Masonic order's secrecy, rituals, and aristocratic character posed a threat to republican democracy. Anti-Masonry also provided a vehicle for ... ordinary people to voice their resentment of the powerful leaders, many of them Masons, who dominated the nation's public affairs. "

Sounds good to me. Where do I sign up?

[soothsayer]

6. there's a gazillion masonic conspiracy theories already

mostly that they're tied to the illuminati of course. That's why all sitting presidents are either masons or are MADE masons (33rd degree, methinks)

[Spider Jerusalem]

26. Except for JFK...

who was Catholic, and a member of the Knights of Columbus.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

18. Silence is NOT mandatory for Masons

As it says on their website, Masons are proud of their membership, and are encouraged to tell people. Skull & Bones does not.

[King of New Orleans]

2. As beer?

the group is mandated by beer? What's wrong with that?

Seriously, ths whole Skull and Bones thing is ridiculously to me.

[soothsayer]

4. I'm with you. Don't like a "skull and bonz" runoff at all

That's the only reason I ever thought Kerry had a chance, tho, cuz he's one of 'them.' The powers-that-be keep whomever they want in power, that's for sure.

[agingdem]

5. So...

don't you think the bonesmen question is a truly stupid question?

[soothsayer]

7. you mean cuz they won't answer it? No...asking the question gets the

whole skull and bones thing out there in the public consciousness a bit more, so it's worthwhile.

[IndianaGreen]

8. So the oath to the Order of Skull and Bones is more important than...

the oath one takes for the Presidency. Most interesting! This really explains a lot about Bush and Kerry and why the ruling elites are not going to lose no matter who gets elected in November.

S&B will always come first ahead of everything else!

BTW, here is the Presidential oath which happens to be written in the US Constitution, which used to be the Law of the Land until Congress passed PATRIOT:

Before he enter on the execution of his office, he shall take the following oath or affirmation:--"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.articleii.html#section1

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

13. exactly! Kerry cares more about S&B than the Democratic party

evidentally.

[MaineDem]

16. Where is it evident? (nt)

[Skinner]

17. I'm curious what evidence there is to suggest ...

... that Kerry cares more about Skull and Bones than the Democratic party.

I'm also curious what evidence there is to support the suggestion, higher up in this thread, that members of Skull and Bones consider their oath to be more important than an oath to uphold the Consitutation of the United States. I don't doubt that some particularly stupid Skull and Bones members might fall into this category, but it seems awfully sweeping to suggest that all or even most Skull and Bones members would think such a thing.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

19. are we discriminating against the wealthy classes here?

Democrats, and concerned Americans, have asked Kerry on numerous occasions about his membership, WITH George W. Bush, in this secret cult/club. His response? "No comment".

He is evidentally taking his oath to his brothers, like Bush, more seriously than the concerns of Democrats who he expects to vote for him.

Perhaps we are just discriminating against wealthy people here? After all, if Kerry wasn't richer than God, a son of the Winthrop and Forbes aristocrats, we wouldn't care about what creepy little clubs he was in. Of course, I doubt he'd be the frontrunner for the Democratic nomination either.

So Kerry can decide which matters most - his oaths to his brothers like George W. Bush, or the concerns of Democrats. The choice is his.

[Skinner]

23. I'm not really sure what this has to do with "discriminating against

the wealthy classes." I don't think anyone has tried to claim such a thing in this thread.

The assertion was made that Kerry cares more about Skull and Bones than about the Democratic party. The fact that he has said "no comment" to questions about Skull and Bones does not support the blanket claim that Kerry cares more about Skull and Bones than the Democratic party.

I would agree with you that it might support the claim that he cares more about the oath than he does about the concerns of some Democrats. But I wouldn't call that a slam-dunk either. He might just be making a political calculation that he can't really help his candidacy by talking about Skull and Bones.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

24. he's made a politician calculation to keep his oath to George W Bush

and their brothers in their secret club for the wealthy, instead of dealing with the concerns of Americans and Democrats.

This is of course EXACTLY what happened to the Republicans when George W. Bush ran. Many Republicans on FR and other places questioned Bush and his membership with people like Kerry (for one) in Russell Trust. Rank and file Republicans were treated with the same contempt that rank and file Democrats are treated now when concerned about this.

Sounds to me like loyalty to their fellow aristocrats mattered a whole lot more than answering the concerns of the voters.

Now let's look at Kerry's investigation/coverup of his fellow Bonesmen during the BCCI and S&L scandals, the Iran/Contra scandals, and how little to nothing came of them. Perhaps that loyalty oath really means something to them?

Frankly, it's an embarrassment as an American to vote for these people. If we wanted to be ruled by wealthy aristocrats and their secret societies, why did we bother having a revolution here anyway?

In any case, Bush and Kerry being brothers in the Russell Trust will make a GREAT Green Party advertisement. Can't say I blame them either.

[Democrats unite]

22. Seems to me that the only people tying to justify

Skull & bones, are Kerry supporters. It is what it is and Bush is proof positive that yes they would put it above the Constitution. Kerry has some explaing to do.

[King of New Orleans]

9. Don't forget, Kerry is Catholic too

That means he'll be taking orders from the Pope.

At least that's whst I've heard

[MoonRiver]

12. Watch out!

Kennedy proved how dangerous the 'Catholic connection' can be! :eyes:

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

11. If it is no big deal, why are they so quiet about it?

Skull vs. Bones - the joke is on us.

[King of New Orleans]

15. They're so quiet about it

because it's no big deal.

[Nashyra]

20. My son just pledged a fraternity

and their iniation was secret but not there members. It is a large one though but the secret stuff was weird. I do think that in this case their should be some disclosure of who has recieved political clout because of their connections

[Feanorcurufinwe]

27. Can you keep a secret?

[MidwestMomma]

25. Skulls and Bones is just one of many ties that binds

the movers and the shakers in this country. Ultimately, they all belong to the same club where members use their wealth, power and influence to corrupt our political system and way of life to further enhance their wealth, power and influence.

[TheDonkey]

28. looked bad for bush b/c he said he never knew kerry

yet I find that hard to believe being in the same society.

That was a nasty remark Jk made of bush too. But I'm sure bashers don't care he made that 2 years ago.