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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 01:06 AM
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Wes Clark's Message in NH: What's at Stake November 7th
Just over a week ago now, Wes Clark made a two day campaign swing through New Hampshire on behalf of Democratic candidates running there on every level. Janet and I made an almost 5 hour drive to go see Clark there, and for a day and I half we wandered the same New Hampshire back roads as the General, managing to hear him speak 5 times in widely varied settings. One thing I can say with certainty is that Wes Clark does not deliver a canned "stump speech". Sure, Clark had key themes that he continually stressed, and there were certain facts that he made certain everyone heard, but nothing was canned about it.

It was more like Clark had an outline of points that he knew he wanted to make, points that one way or another he made sure got covered. While some anecdotes popped up more than once, and certain passages were restated from one stop to the next, there was a spontaneous unpredictability about exactly what Wes would address, and how he would go about it, that made the experience of listening to him fresh each time. It also meant that I came home with several tapes recorded and pages of notes scribbled too fast for me to decipher most of later, along with a feeling that I needed to transcribe every one of Clark's words before I could do our New Hampshire trip justice with any of my own.

Obviously that didn't work so here is what I am doing instead. I just grabbed, totally at random, one of three tapes I made of Wes Clark speaking, threw it into my tape recorder and started listening, and that is how I am starting, by writing about the part of Clark's message that I just re-listened to, which is what I should have done a week ago.

As it turns out I am starting from the finish of our trip, with the tail end of a talk Wes Clark gave at a Potluck Dinner in Henniker NH, hosted by a Peace and Justice network to benefit victims of Katrina, and the Henniker -- San Ramon Sister City Project. Those attending were primarily Peace activists and/or local Democratic candidates. Wes didn't start speaking until well past 7:00 PM, it had already been a long day for him, and he had to leave from there to do a television event. I transcribed some of those remarks, and they are good ones to start with because they speak directly to what Wes Clark believes is now at stake for America, and the importance of this election:


"...I think that we're in a very dangerous position because not only is the clock ticking in North Korea, but the clock is ticking in Iran. The President has basically lined up his statements so that he can not live with the possibility of an Iranian nuclear weapon, and he has made a half hearted effort at diplomacy. We're not talking with Iran directly. He's made a half hearted effort at diplomacy, I believe, so that diplomacy will fail. And then, his plan is, sometime in the Spring of 2007, which is not so far away, he's going to come on Television, he's going to say:

'My fellow Americans. For 5 years we've watched the evil empire of Iran struggle to prepare nuclear weapons. Although our intelligence is not perfect, we have enough information to assure us that they're making progress.

As I told, and promised you, we will not allow the worst weapons to fall into the hands of the worst people. Iran is a state that supports Terrorists. For the good of humanity they can not be permitted to have nuclear weapons. We've asked our Allies to help, we've gone to the United Nations, we've asked the Iranians to forbear, nothing has worked. There is no option remaining, but to use America's military superiority to address this growing and gathering threat.

As I speak to you tonight, the first bombers are over Tehran. We will not falter, we will not fail, we will not be denied, and America will prevent Iran from having nuclear weapons.

Thank You my fellow Americans'


This was the second time out of the five events that we attended with Wes Clark, where Wes delivered a mock George W. Bush speech declaring the commencement of military operations against Iran. The first time was at a small meeting of very active local Democrats in Goffstown NH, the previous afternoon. It wasn't word for word the same, but both times the fake speech was chilling to hear. If anything the version Wes Clark gave the prior day was more realistic, and in that smaller setting the gasps it evoked were even more obvious than some visceral groans I heard come from the crowd the Henniker. In Goffstown, Clark quickly broke false character, flashed a wan smile and said, "Pretty good, huh?" in acknowledgment of how realistic the fake Presidential announcement had seemed to everyone. Janet turned to me in Goffstown and commented that, if she didn't already know Wes Clark, hearing him make Bush's case for War so emphatically could have unnerved her. As it was, simply knowing that Wes Clark believed there was a good chance that we would all actually hear an address very much like that come from George W. Bush sometime in the next 8 months was more than frightening enough for everyone gathered. This night, in Henniker, Clark returned to his own voice and continued:


"Now that's the speech, OK, that's what's going to happen. I'd say 50, 60, 70% likelihood after the first of the year, IF we don't get Democrats in Congress. Now when that happens, it will be very hard for Democrats to stand and say; 'Oh stop the bombing, we like it when Iran has nuclear weapons.' No we don't, we'll be back on the defensive again. That's why we've got to start speaking out now. We're being set up again, just like we were with Iraq, and what I've found in my life is, generally that if you want a war, you can have one.

Most people are about equally brave, most people will fight. Most people love their families, they love their homes, they believe that whatever they believe in is the single one way to truth, reconciliation and the after life, and most people will fight for it. Most people are not philosophical about it, and whether you're walking into a bar in New York City after the Red Sox have played the Yankees, or whether you're dealing with the Bosnians and the Serbs, or whether you're talking about Christians and Iranians. People will fight for what they believe in. So if we want a war with a billion Muslims, we can probably have one. I don't think we want one, we certainly don't need one, and we should do everything we can to prevent it. And that means this election is the crucial moment for doing that."


There was so much more Clark talked about to audiences in New Hampshire, and I will try to relay more of it here in stages, but that in a nutshell was Wes Clark's message. It is absolutely essential that voters deliver a stunning set back to the Bush Administration this Election Day on November 7th. We have to set them back hard on their heels, and we need the power of the subpoena to force Rumsfeld and the entire neocon cabal to come before Congress under oath repeatedly to testify about their plans, and if they won't tell the truth to the American people then Democrats in Congress must have the ability to show the American people the lies that they are being told.

At this same event a questioner from the audience asked Wes Clark how he felt about the Patriot Act, and I will relay his reply to that in another post.


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wiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 01:14 AM
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1. Lucky you
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 01:25 AM
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2. It was pretty interesting
The settings differed a lot. One Veterans Hall, a house Party, a Town Hall Breakfast, a side room meeting in a restaurant, and a large dinner reception. Everytime when Clark spoke on issues it felt like everyone in the room received the same thorough detailed analysis as he would give the Presidential Cabinet if that were his audiance instead. The wealth of detail was amazing, which makes blogging it all quite a challange. I haven't touched Clark's comments on North Korea yet but I will within a day or so. They were more frightening that what he had to say about Iran.
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Donna Zen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 01:29 AM
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3. Please bring on the next installment
I've been thinking about Wes Clark's push for Lamont. When Wes was stumping in Connecticut, he referred to Lamont as the "key" to changing Washington. He's spoken on behalf of many candidates, but only Lamont was the key. Was it a random word delivered on fly? More and more, I don't think so.

Lieberman will provide bush with cover for any new mistakes that boil out of the WHouse. And if Dems oppose bush, then Lieberman will ready to bash them on any given Sunday.

This latest ad for Lamont will undoubtedly crimp Wes Clark's ability to raise NYC money. I really love Wes Clark for putting the country first. He makes it easy to support him.

Thanks for taking the time to write this Tom.

Oh, did Wes do his impression of bush? I've heard it's great...he's got him down.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 01:46 AM
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5. One major point that Wes hammered was by nature complex
Edited on Tue Oct-31-06 01:52 AM by Tom Rinaldo
but I think he did as good a job of making it simple as possible. That point I suspect indirectly speaks to the danger that Lieberman poses us now. Clark was very New Hampshire centric while he was in New Hampshire, so he only mentioned NH candidates.

The point involved our need, all of us here, all active Democrats, to educate ourselves to speak knowledgeably about international issues and 20th Century American History, because the history of WWII and the Cold War that followed is being twisted to support neocon adventures. False lessons are being pushed, both about how America "won" the Cold War, and about the relative contributions of the Democratic and Republican Parties in Peace and in War. By not being knowledgeable enough about our history, and about the history of the Democratic Party, and about the complexity of challenges facing the United States currently in the world, we allow the Bush Administration to spin reality toward their favor at a time when it is essential that their militaristic adventures be confronted for making the U.S. less, not more, safe.

I won't go into that more now except to say that we all know that Lieberman has been a foreign policy enabler of the Bush Administration, so I personally see that connection. I will try to actually transcribe parts of Clark's speeches where he talks about what I just loosely referred to. Clark was excellent at providing an overview and then bringing it down to the types of conversations we all need to be having right now with neighbors friends family and co-workers if we want to de-fang the Bush Administration before it can attack again.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 02:00 AM
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6. Got just a glimpse of his standard Bush impression Donna
The fake statement about Iran wasn't meant to be typical Bush, that was Commander in Chief Bush. However Clark talked some about how hard it is for Democrats to get their message heard in the media, which contributes to the "Democrats don't have a plan" meme. He talked about the time when I think it was 270 national Democrats gathered together in DC to present our Party National Security positions and tons of media showed up, except Bush at the last second sceduled a major address I think it was at the Heritage Foundation, so the media covered that live instead. And Bush had operatives telling him how long he had to prolong the question and answer period to make sure that no Democrat received live coverage from their event of immediately after that in interviews.

Clark did a short imitation of Bush slouching over the podium, squinting and looking around saying in a drawn out voice, "Anybody out there have any more, uh, questions for me? I really enjoy this opportunity to, to respond to any of your questions you have for me" That was pretty funny, but I would love to see Clark's full Bush impression sometime.
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renate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 01:32 AM
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4. It will be *so wonderful* to have an intelligent president again
Hearing Wes Clark speak so fluidly and coherently about ANYTHING under the sun (politics, science, history, you name it) is a bittersweet reminder of the kind of leader this country deserves--I'm hoping it'll be him in 2009, but if not, it'll be a relief to have anybody who can string a complete sentence together.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 02:16 AM
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7. Here is the question and answer about the Patriot Act that evening
Edited on Tue Oct-31-06 02:29 AM by Tom Rinaldo
Or most of Clark's answer anyway, because it's late and it's time consuming I didn't transcribe part where he ran down all of the traditional constitutional standards as they apply to various situations that involve search and seizure.

This was the last question asked of Clark that evening and, so far, that's the only other part that I've transcribed, but again, his reply in Henniker looped back to the core message of what is at stake with this election:

This is my first attempt to pull Clark's comments off of the tape, so I expect there will be some errors. This definitely isn't an "official transcript"

Q: "I was wondering about your stance on the Patriot Act?"

General Clark: "There are some parts of the Patriot Act we probably need, but there are some parts I don't approve of. Essentially you have to give the Government the authority to protect the country, but you have to put that authority under the control of the rule of Law, and what the Patriot Act begins to do is exempt our executive branch security agencies from the need to get the rule of Law.

If you ask a policeman - we've got a lot of great people on the police and FBI, and if you ask them, they can never get enough authority. I mean, it's true. If they had their way they would go into every house. They would search every cupboard, they'd read every piece of mail, they'd listen to every telephone call, IF they thought there was a threat. And they would want to do it right away.

The trouble is that we know that power like that can be abused. Historically it has been abused, and it will destroy Democracy...

... There is nothing that has to be done to protect us that can't be done through Law, through gong to a Court, through asking for permission, through getting a warrant. All these procedures are there and they are being violated.

Whatever the NSA is doing tapping telephones and monitoring conversations is illegal and we ought to stop it until it's put under the rule of Law. And the same thing with the military commissions act which is allowing the President to suspend the habeas corpus. That's illegal, it's beyond the law. So I don't believe that law enforcement should have unimpeded access to libraries and stuff like that. I think it's baloney, but more than that it's dangerous.

If you're going to win the war against Terror the most important weapon you have is what you stand for as a nation, because it's a battle of ideas. Terrorists aren't born that way, they have an image of who we are. To win we have to make them see who we really are. Three million Muslims have moved to America in the last 50 years because they like who we are. We can't give that up.

What George Bush is doing by trying to accumulate executive powers, he's taking away the most important weapon we have in winning the war on terror, which is the weapon of the United States Constitution, and the Bill of Rights, and we can't let him have it!"

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Donna Zen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 08:07 AM
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9. At least someone is fighting for us...
Thanks Tom.

We all know that people that believe in the ideals of this country, denounce the Patriots Act. It is just always good during these dark days to hear someone say in a public forum. There are more of these leaders, but they are too few and far between.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 02:32 AM
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8. Bravo!
It's unfortunate there is no national spotlight on this man's selfless endeavors.
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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 08:54 PM
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10. Thanks for your efforts in putting together this report, Tom. nt
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