'Hardball with Chris Matthews' for Oct. 24, 5 p.m.
MATTHEWS: Harold, call me. There‘s a cute—I would say sexy, most people would say that—white woman, naked—naked—on the screen setting up a date with Harold Ford who is an African-American. In American society—you went to school in North Carolina. So did I for a year. Do you think in any part of the country that is not playing on racial sensitivities?
SNOW: I don‘t think so. I mean, maybe I‘m just quaint in this day and age. But no, I think there is always an attempt when you have got an African-American candidate to try to attribute something to the race card. But no, I don‘t.
MATTHEWS: You don‘t think having a naked woman cutie pieing the guy, saying let‘s get together.
SNOW: No, I mean, I think ...
MATTHEWS: You don‘t think that‘s—OK, I‘m not going to ask you three times. I‘m asking you a second time. You really do believe, Tony Snow, that they are not playing on the white guy vote down there, to try to turn them off, a working guy who would normally vote Democrat, turn them off to the Democratic candidate because we have got this black guy going after white women—or white women going after him which is what they have got the ad showing, twice in the ad.
SNOW: I think they are probably trying to be a little bit cute about a reported visit to the Playboy mansion. I wouldn‘t make too much of it. You know, look, there are plenty of ads right now to get people steaming. I think probably the more important thing to do as you get ready for elections is to get people focused on issues, which is something we like to do because we think we have got a big advantage there.
MATTHEWS: Well, do you think that‘s the issue then, that he has this playgirl as a girlfriend of a girlfriend that wants him. Do you think that‘s an issue?
SNOW: No, but I‘ll tell you what. We will start pulling together every ad where somebody has got a tough fist, balled up kind of point that they are making at everybody. It‘s a political season. The thing is, Harold Ford is a seasoned politician. So is Corker. They are used to having people taking swings at them. They are also used to going out and making the arguments to the public.
MATTHEWS: So you think Ken Mehlman, the chairman of the Republican National Committee, is comfortable, as he seems to be. I‘m stunned that he wants to get involved with people‘s private lives, talking about this innuendo. Why would any party want to go down this road or any person want to go down this road?
SNOW: Well, like I said, you‘re asking me to defend an ad by an independent group. I know it says it‘s approved by the RNC.
MATTHEWS: Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. I‘m just asking you to comment from the White House. We‘ve asked the—and the RNC is saying—they were on our network today. They said Ken Mehlman said he is fine with the ad. Corker, the Republican candidate in that state—I don‘t know whether it‘s a good cop, bad cop thing going here—he‘s condemning the ad. He wants it pulled.
SNOW: Well, then he can get it pulled. That ought to take care of it.
MATTHEWS: But that‘s not taking care of it. It‘s still running.
SNOW: Well, like, I have no control over whether these things run. The point I‘m making is duke it out over the issues. We think we‘re going to win.
MATTHEWS: And, OK, so you‘re going to—we‘ll talk about this later. I think, Tony, you‘re doing your job now, but I don‘t think it‘s what you really believe.
Anyway, let me ask you this: Are the Republicans going to hold the House two weeks from now? Are they going to hold the 218 they need to control the House?
SNOW: Yes, they are.
MATTHEWS: How are they going to turn it around in two weeks? The polls don‘t look good right now.
SNOW: Well, you know the difference, Chris, between a generic poll and an individual poll. There are 435 House races. I think you‘re going to see a couple of things. I think, for instance, the fact that for a long time when it comes to Iraq, people have been focusing like another network did on a sniper taking down an American, rather than the achievements of the Americans. People are going to start thinking what‘s actually going on there?
They are also going to ask about the economy. Who is going to be better off? The president cut taxes. We have been through an amazing run of difficulty in the American economy. When the president—on September 11, 2001, we were in a recession. We took a trillion economic hit.
That was followed by Enron, a corporate scandal, followed by two wars and the worst natural disaster in American history. The president cut taxes at the beginning of that saying Americans can work their way out of this, and he was right.
MATTHEWS: Right, I‘ve got to go. Tony, that‘s another way of saying if the Democrats can‘t win this one, they can‘t win ever, anybody. But thank you. You know that‘s another way of saying it.
SNOW: Well, we‘re going to win. I‘ll see you on the 8th.
MATTHEWS: Anyway, thank you, Tony Snow, presidential press secretary.
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