Wierd ads running in my town calling for Dems to admit there were WMDs

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

they're by some wingnut group called 'America's Majority"
They're quite nasty and call on dems to apologize to Bush over the weapons. The radio ad states that it's been proven that they exited and were moved Syria.

This is their web site (The audio of the ads are there):
http://www.amermaj.com/

not much info on them there. 'about us' says they were "founded to increase the constituency for conservative causes: free market economics, international anti-totalitarianism, and morals based on Jewish and Christian scriptures."

that's about itas far as what they offer on their background.

contact info tells us they're from Overland, Kansas (The ads are airing here on the Ohio-W.Va. border)
the only names given on the site are afew officers, the main ones being John Altevogt and Richard Nadler

Nadler is a minor fugure in conservtive circles. He writes for Nation rEview Online occaisionallly. All I could find on him as far as background was on Soucewatch.org
"Richard Nadler is president of the nonprofit think tank Americas Majority and co-editor of Daily Dispatch, "a military blog reporting on events in Iraq." (http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Richard_Nadler)

Altevogt is a strange one. Apparently, when he isn't writing letters to Kansas papers attacking evolution (http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/4195gc1-17-2000.asp), He's defending Ann Coulter as a "logical, rational and an independent thinker," when she faced protests at a Kansas University. yes, another "christian" creationist advocate who thinks coulter's spew is the epitome of morality.

found more about him on a secular students group blog(http://soma.secularstudents.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=4).

Apparently he's just some Kansas realtor.

How are these people getting money to air misleading national ads?
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[kenny blankenship]

1. I guess Bush will have to apologize to himself too then

since even he now admits there was no WMD problem to eradicate in Iraq when we invaded.

[rodeodance]

2. I believe the last poll said that there was an INCREASE in the # of people

who believe this.!!

[Phredicles]

3. WMDs moved to Syria?

Sure. After all, if I were about to be invaded, the first thing I'd do is send my most powerful weapons to another country.:eyes:

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

4. this group claims to represent christianity

don't you go to hell for these kind of lies?

[Joe for Clark]

11. Thats right - they don't pass go.

This kind of crap is just pathetic.

Good point Hynkel!!

Joe

[marmar]

5. America - getting batshit crazier by the minute.

:crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

[AtomicKitten]

6. These idiots are severely demented.

The bigger the lie, the more people will believe it."
** Josef Goebbels.

[FormerDittoHead]

7. Didn't take long to find one lie...

http://www.amermaj.com/investor_class_outreach.html

Under "Property Rights" - somehow this is about social security, but the fact is that bush's plan called for one to be forced to invest in an ANNUITY upon retirement - leaving *nothing* to ones estate.

this is yet another big fat Republican lie exposed at Democratic Underground...

[Xipe Totec]

8. Kerry says to punk their asses

Kerry Vows Tougher Stance on Texas Group (Swiftboat Liars):

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=2872332

How to Fight Back! Notes From An Anti Swiftboating Conference Call:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=2873522

[Donkeykick]

9. Gee Whiz!

I guess Bush had better explain why he hasn't went in to get get them then, huh? :eyes:

The radio ad states that it's been proven that they exited and were moved Syria.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

10. K & R, great initial research, time to shine the light!

:kick: MKJ

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

12. hopefully someone can follow up some on this

i'm off to work.

i'd like to know who's bankrolling this and how extensive these things are airing

[Joe for Clark]

13. I missed this - you say on the WV-OH border??

Towards Youngstown and Pittsburg??

HAHAHAHAHA.

Not a "prayer" - excuse me - that this has any legs at all back home. They are gonna preach to the out of work steel towns - huh?

America has a very practical people along the river valley.

They ever try this in LA they will end up facing 9th circut judges, I'd say that too.

Your question, none-the-less is good - where did they get the money? I'd say, I really doubt they know what their doing. - Ads like this along the river valley - its really kinda funny.

Joe

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

14. actually the wv-oh-ky border

huntington-ashland-ironton area

it's much more bilble belty here

[Joe for Clark]

15. That makes more sense, I guess.

More than the northern border - not that much, though.

But - for sure, the radio time is A LOT cheaper.

And I am so sure - the gop is toast along the Ohio River Valley - and I was born there and my family lives there. Kentucky, maybe - I have no feeling for Kentucky, good or bad.

Joe

Joe

[gratuitous]

16. Look for the bats to continue to pour out of the belfry

These guys are getting more scared every day. They will pull out all the stops and make every effort, rational and irrational, to try to keep their blood-stained hands on the levers of power. They will lie, cheat, steal, and anything else they can think of (don't be shocked by their tactics) to keep the electorate from turning on them. They're in big, big trouble, and they know it.

It's up to us to keep after them. Write letters to the editor, debunking just one or two points in their demented screed. It will be tempting to go after every little detail, but that long a letter is less likely to be published. Round off with the very penetrating question of just where the money for these kinds of ad buys is coming from.

Go for it.

[rosesaylavee]

17. Ann Coulter as a "logical, rational and an independent thinker"

:rofl:

[maxsolomon]

18. then declare victory & roll into Damascus

every square inch of Syria is under surveillance by satellites.

[Stargleamer]

19. Yes, there were WMDs. . .

Weapons of Mass Deception, and the Republicans used them like a club, killing 2800 Americans and thousands more Iraqis in the process.

This group aims to continue the deceit...

[Dr Fate]

20. Why are they not demanding that Bush give a TV speech about them?

????

I have yet to see the Bush speech were he claims they were found.

[drm604]

21. "How are these people getting money to air misleading national ads?"

Well let's see if we can get some clues.

Here's the whois page for amermaj.com:

Registrant:
America's Majority
8640 Travis Street
Overland Park, KS 66212
US

Domain Name: AMERMAJ.COM

Administrative Contact, Technical Contact:
America's Majority dns2 AT LAGOON DOT COM
8640 Travis Street
Overland Park, KS 66212
US
913-648-6578


Record expires on 19-Dec-2008.
Record created on 19-Dec-2005.
Database last updated on 17-Oct-2006 20:21:43 EDT.

I Googled that Travis Street address and came up with this spreadsheet from publicintegrity.org. That spreadsheet shows an organization called "Access Communications" at that address. It also shows that, in 2002 "Access Communications" made two separate $200,000 :wow: donations to a committee by the name of "Republican Leadership Coalition" for a total of $400,000. (The Republican Leadership Coalition by the way is shown as being located at 1800 K Street, Suite 1122, Washington, DC 20006. Note the K Street address.)

Those two donations were made on 09/30/2002 and 12/31/2002. This page, also on publicintegrity.org also shows that in 2002 an organization named "Access Group Communications" gave a total of $400,000 to the "Republican Leadership Coalition". The weird thing is, further down on that same page it show that, in that same year, the "Republican Leadership Coalition" gave $400,000 to "Access Group Communications". :wtf: Maybe there's some benign explanation that some accountant DUer can explain to me, or maybe it was some sort of money laundering scheme involving the shifting of nearly 1/2 million dollars back and forth between these two organizations.

http://publicintegrity.org/527/profile-pf.aspx?act=dir&sub=1&cycle=2004&id=480">This page shows that, in 2004 "Access Group Communications" received $60,000 from the "Republican Leadership Coalition". This time there doesn't appear to have been a reciprocal transaction.

I can't find any info on any 2006 donations, but it's probably too soon for all of that info to be available.

There are other things located at that same Travis Street address. Such as "Elect Rodney Robinson, and "Progress for America Voter Fund" which lists a number of expenditures and donations.

Publicintegrity.org gives a website address for the "Republican Leadership Coalition", http://www.republicanleadership.org/ which loads an "under construction" page. The whois page for republicanleadership.org shows the following:

Domain ID:D14291609-LROR
Domain Name:REPUBLICANLEADERSHIP.ORG
Created On:30-Nov-1999 15:37:17 UTC
Last Updated On:26-Apr-2005 14:12:59 UTC
Expiration Date:30-Nov-2007 15:37:17 UTC
Sponsoring Registrar:Network Solutions LLC (R63-LROR)
Status:CLIENT TRANSFER PROHIBITED
Registrant ID:39018984-NSI
Registrant Name:Fairness Foundation
Registrant Street1:5835 West 74th Street
Registrant Street2:
Registrant Street3:
Registrant City:Indianapolis
Registrant State/Province:IN
Registrant Postal Code:46278
Registrant Country:US
Registrant Phone:[phone]
Registrant Phone Ext.:
Registrant FAX:
Registrant FAX Ext.:
Registrant Email:fairnessfoundation AT gmail DOT com

The registrant is the Fairness Foundation which has a website at http://www.fairnessfoundation.org/.

The Fairness Foundation was founded in 1998 to assist low income children in getting access to better education and to assist the uninsured in getting good health care.

Sounds like a great organization. Why the hell are they the registrant for the domain of the "Republican Leadership Coalition", which is apparently a K Street firm that appears to fund over the top Republican propaganda ads and moves around large amounts of money in questionable ways? :wtf:

The Fairness Foundation sent http://www.fairnessfoundation.org/docs/OH_AG%20COMMENTS.pdf">this letter (warning, PDF) to the Ohio Attorney General. It attacks not-for-profit hospitals for making what it says are excessive profits. Sound like real crusaders for the public good, don't they? Interestingly, it appears that they share a street address with http://medicalsavings.com/">"Medical Savings Health Plan", a health insurance company - actually, a health savings account company. If I recall correctly, Bush loves health savings accounts. Curiouser and curiouser.

I could probably keep digging all night but it's late and I have to be at work in the morning. Hopefully the late hour won't cause this thread to sink into oblivion.

[bklyncowgirl]

25. Good work. How incredibly Rovish! Should Bush apologize to himself?

This group is clearly a part of the right wing spin machine, albeit one that the GOP would prefer not to be too closely associated with--at least in public.

The whole Republican strategy is aimed at rousing their base and writing off and turning off anyone else.

A shockingly large percentage of the American people believe, despite all the evidence to the contrary, despite even the reluctant public statements of Bush and Cheney to the contrary, that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction.

These commercials turn these highly dubious assertions about WMDs into absolute facts and are calling for those who believe what anyone who has looked at the evidence knows to be the truth to apologize.

My question is since George Bush and Dick Cheney have both been forced to publicly state (with extreme reluctance) that up is up and down is down and that Saddam Hussein had no stockpile of nukes, poison gas, anthrax, that is zero, zip, nada, should they be required to issue a public apology to themselves for admitting to empirical reality?

[mcg]

34. Info on the Fairness Foundation

The following is from
http://www.guidestar.org
(I had to register first but it is free)

FAIRNESS FOUNDATION INC
PO BOX 68961
INDIANAPOLIS , IN 46268

The purposes for which the corporation is formed are:

1.To support the efforts of churches in developing alternative schools for their congregations, with special attention to the needs of minority churches.

2. To aid in the financing of health insurance for those American who are not insured and lack the means of paying for it.

3. To support other fairness issues in the public and private financing of endeavors by the American people.

* This organization is a 501(c)(3) Public Charity.
* This organization is required to file an IRS Form 990 or 990-EZ.
* Contributions are deductible, as provided by law.

From the 2005 IRS Form 990
The directors are
J Patrick Rooney
Randal E. Suttles
John J. Sullivan
Robert J. Thompson

Rooney, Suttles, and Sullivan are all Directors of
Medical Savings Investment, Inc. and affiliates,
a for profit company.

http://hospitalvictims.com
on the contact us page:
"The Hospital Victims Project is a project of the Fairness Foundation, a national non-profit organization that educates and assists the uninsured.

http://supremecourtus.gov/opinions/counsellists/cl540-2a.html

No. 02-1315, Locke, Governor of Washington, et al. v. Davey
Argued December 2, 2003

"Briefs of amici curiae urging affirmance were filed ...
for the Fairness Foundation by Kenneth W. Starr"

http://www.supremecourtus.gov/docket/02-1315.htm

Kenneth W. Starr Kirkland & Ellis LLP [phone]
777 South Figueroa Street
Los Angeles, CA 90017
Party name: The Fairness Foundation

The same Kenneth W. Starr?

Info on Access Group Communications:
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Access_Communications_Group

[annabanana]

36. dollars to doughnuts it's the same Ken Starr. . . . . .

filthy business alright

[wholetruth00]

22. Democrats better get on this and counter with some quick short ads

debunking this. Every vote is important in this election. We need to counter as many false ads as possible.

[Usrename]

23. k&r

[drm604]

24. Kick

:kick:

[rodeodance]

26. k

[rodeodance]

27. Recently, there was poll saying the # of people believing this has

increased (ealier polls had show people decreasing in number who believed in wmd).

[karynnj]

29. Saw that - it was after Rick Santorum announced they

were found. He announced it when the Senate was debating exit strategy.

[bklyncowgirl]

28. I listened to a few of those ads Here's the overall message.

We are winning the war in Iraq.
The terrorists want to weaken our resolve.
The media is on the side of the terrorists
The Democrats are on the side of the terrorists (see Deaniacs)

If the Democrats win the terrorists win.

[mhatrw]

30. So everybody's on the side of the terrorists except the batshit crazy?

I guess that would explain how 9/11 happened, why nobody's found the anthrax killer and why we've lost both Iraq and Afghanistan.

[frogcycle]

31. How in the freaking hell...

can any sentient human beings spout this babble? It's one thing to say "you're not tough enough" or "you don't get it". But "you're on their side?"

If they actually believe that, then why aren't they mowing us all down with AK-47s?

[Dragonbreathp9d]

32. I emailed them:

You guys have a seriously twisted view of what is going on. Do you even believe what you are saying? 657,000 Iraqis dead since the invasion - thats 1 in 40, that sure is helping them out isnt it? And where are you finding this 'liberal meda?' I'd sure like to watch it some time because all I see now is FAUX CNN MSNBC and other Bush hailing media organizations. What is your true goal here? What financial compensation have you / will you obtain through your support of Dictator Bush? Just hope you guys dont get thrown into jail anytime soon . . . or you would never have the chance to see your ads be aired. Oh, thats right, Habeas Corpus emboldens the terrorists.

-Child of Liberty


I'll let you know the response.

[atommom]

33. Altevogt is a dangerous loon. I'm not surprised that his fingerprints

are all over this. There always seems to be a mysterious influx of money when the Repubs need it...

[mcg]

35. Info on America's Majority from GuideStar

Here's some info on "America's Majority" from GuideStar
(doesn't say much more than we know from the "America's Majority" web site):


From http://www.guidestar.org

AMERICAS MAJORITY
9301 E 63RD ST STE A
% ALAN DYE
RAYTOWN , MO 64133

* This organization is a 501(c)(4) Civic Leagues and Social Welfare Organizations
* This organization is required to file an IRS Form 990 or 990-EZ.
* Contributions are not deductible, as provided by law.

W01—Alliance/Advocacy Organizations

From America's Majority IRS Form 990
(downloadable from GuideStar):

AMERICAS MAJORITY
8640 TRAVIS
OVERLAND PARK, KS 66212

Phone [phone]

Organization type: 501(c)

'Production costs and placement costs for a
media campaign involving social security reform.'
'Publishing of books and publications'
'Preliminary expense for web site.'

Officers:
Richard Nadler
John Altevogt
John C Cozad
Dwight Sutherland

'Americas Majority is dedicated to growing the citizen base for
conservative issues, including supply side taxation,
family friendly social policy, and a vigorous defense of the
United States through promotion of liberty at home and abroad.'

[mcg]

38. "America's PAC" and other orgs at 8640 Travis St

More on Nadler and his ilk:

http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:SLp23CLJMiUJ:www.publicintegrity.org/527/docs/9555317.pdf+%228640+TRAVIS%22&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1

http://www.campaignmoney.com/political/527/americas_pac.asp

http://www.electrobinson.org/

[Chomp]

37. I mean,

how much more Orwellian can things get???

LMFAO....all these people are just stone cold nuts.