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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 12:53 PM
Original message
If he runs, Obama is now my candidate in '08, haters go right ahead
Edited on Tue Oct-17-06 12:55 PM by wndycty
Wes is still my guy, but we don't know if he is running or not and for that matter we don't know if Obama is either, hopefully I won't have to make a choice and when it comes to the general election I would love to vote for a Clark/Obama, Obama/Clark ticket. I don't come to this decision lightly but the more I think of it I feel comfortable saying I'm supporting Obama if he decides to run. Barack has been my State Senator since the mid 90's and a neighbor as well (up until recently he lived on the same street, a block away).

I remember when I attended an anti-war rally in November of 2002 at the Federal Plaza in Chicago in which Barack spoke and everyone in attendance was blown away. My best memory of that day was watching the reaction of Rev. Jesse Jackson who had a look of absolute amazement when Obama spoke. Immediately after the speech I walked up to my State Senator and told him I could not wait to vote for him as my US Senator. This along with the speech he gave on the night he won the nomination in the Democratic primary are two moments I will forever cherish. His speech during the convention was amazing, it was his coming out party and I could not tell you proud it made me, but the other two speeches are the ones that stand out in my mind, maybe it is because unlike his convention speech these were made before he hit the national stage.

The speech and accusations of being a sell-out
It amazes me that so many on the far left, especially on the DU, call Obama a sell-out. Most of the world learned about him as a result of his convention speech. Much of the criticism is because he has not been the partisan hitman that many had hoped. Unfortunately those who criticize him for this, who have basically said that he is a sell-out because he is not the same man who gave that speech, did not listen to the speech, for if they did they would have heard him say:

-snip-
And fellow Americans — Democrats, Republicans, Independents — I say to you tonight: we have more work to do. More to do for the workers I met in Galesburg, Illinois, who are losing their union jobs at the Maytag plant that's moving to Mexico, and now are having to compete with their own children for jobs that pay seven bucks an hour. More to do for the father I met who was losing his job and choking back tears, wondering how he would pay $4,500 a month for the drugs his son needs without the health benefits he counted on. More to do for the young woman in East St. Louis, and thousands more like her, who has the grades, has the drive, has the will, but doesn't have the money to go to college.
-snip-

A belief that we are connected as one people. If there's a child on the south side of Chicago who can't read, that matters to me, even if it's not my child. If there's a senior citizen somewhere who can't pay for her prescription and has to choose between medicine and the rent, that makes my life poorer, even if it's not my grandmother. If there's an Arab American family being rounded up without benefit of an attorney or due process, that threatens my civil liberties. It's that fundamental belief — I am my brother's keeper, I am my sister's keeper — that makes this country work. It's what allows us to pursue our individual dreams, yet still come together as a single American family. "E pluribus unum." Out of many, one.

Yet even as we speak, there are those who are preparing to divide us, the spin masters and negative ad peddlers who embrace the politics of anything goes. Well, I say to them tonight, there's not a liberal America and a conservative America — there's the United States of America. There's not a black America and white America and Latino America and Asian America; there's the United States of America. The pundits like to slice-and-dice our country into Red States and Blue States; Red States for Republicans, Blue States for Democrats. But I've got news for them, too. We worship an awesome God in the Blue States, and we don't like federal agents poking around our libraries in the Red States. We coach Little League in the Blue States and have gay friends in the Red States. There are patriots who opposed the war in Iraq and patriots who supported it. We are one people, all of us pledging allegiance to the stars and stripes, all of us defending the United States of America.
-snip-

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/president/2004-07-27-obama-speech-text_x.htm

On his votes/positions
There are no candidates out there that vote 100% of the way you and I want them to. Look at all the votes of Kerry, Edwards and Hillary, lets not forget that Kucinich was pro-choice. Next to Obama the other candidate that moves me is Wes, I don't agree with many of his positions. That is life. Don't hold Obama to unrealistic standard that others are not held to.

On his inexperience
I will let Michael Tacket of the Chicago Tribune speak for me:

-snip-
There's a reflexive response among many Democrats when the subject is broached. He's too young, they say, too inexperienced. He hasn't accomplished anything in the Senate. He should wait.

Let's demolish those one by one. He would be older than Bill Clinton and John Kennedy were when they ran; he would have more experience than John Edwards. And, think now, when was the last time any senator wooed voters by telling them about a bill he or she sponsored?

And just what should he wait for? In four years, he would either be challenging an incumbent president in his own party (read: political suicide) or an incumbent president in the other party. In eight years, he is likely to be facing either an incumbent from his party, or a presumptive nominee in the person of a sitting vice president.
-snip-

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi-0610150242oct15,0,3876743.story?coll=chi-newsopinionperspective-hed

The man simply inspires
Does Hillary inspire? Does Kerry inspire? Edwards gives me hope and Wes inspires me, but when it comes to the one candidate who touches the most people it is Barack. I think of all the people who are moved to tears when he speaks, its something special. . .the only other politician who hits that mark as much as Obama, Bill Clinton.



Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., signs copies of his new book 'The Audacity of Hope: Thoughts on Reclaiming the American Dream' at a bookstore in Chicago's Hyde Park neighborhood Tuesday, Oct. 17, 2006. It was the first stop on a book tour that will take him to a dozen cities in the next two weeks. (AP Photo/Charles Rex Arbogast)

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/061017/480/c98792342478415199413b0ddba3e817

From today's Chicago Tribune coverage of this mornings book signing:

-snip-While a U.S. senator with a new book might be expected to draw a big crowd in the neighborhood where he once lived and worked, Tuesday's book-signing at 57th Street Books in Chicago's Hyde Park neighborhood was something else entirely. After all, Obama, a top Democratic party campaigner and fundraiser, is the hottest commodity in American politics.

If the line stretching around the block for the biggest in-store signing the store's manager has ever experienced didn't illustrate that, one look at newsstands across the country -- where Obama's face fills the cover of Time magazine next to the headline, ``Why Barack Obama Could Be The Next President'' -- does.

``For our generation he is kind of the lighthouse, the hope,'' Allison Ringhand, a 19-year-old University of Chicago student from Milwaukee. ``He's changing the face of government in America.''

One after another, college students, retirees and those in between took turns throwing around words like ``charismatic'' and ``hope'' or, if that wasn't enough, ``shining hope.'' They even tossed out the ``K'' word, as in John F. Kennedy.

"I would love to see him run for president,'' said Barbara O'Connor, 76, a few minutes before buying three copies of Obama's ``The Audacity of Hope: Thoughts on Reclaiming the American Dream.'' She said she once worked as a community organizer with Obama.
-snip-

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/chi-061017obama-book,1,4345038.story?coll=chi-news-hed

Oh he will have his critics, and some criticism is deserved, but so is criticism of others. He has a ways to go but he definately deserved serious consideration. Some will call him corporate, DLC and sellout, let them for they are on the outside looking in at what could be the next great American political leader. Their loss not mine.
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 12:56 PM
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1. ..and he won't stand a snowball's chance in hell down south...
...simply how the way it is...
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 12:57 PM
Response to Reply #1
2. Thanks for your productive input, I'll take my chances. . .
. . .should he run.
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 01:45 PM
Response to Reply #2
18. Productive or not, the south will not vote for a black president...
..take as many chances as you like, won't change that underlying issue...
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Tiggeroshii Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 04:07 PM
Response to Reply #18
51. Sorta like how Tennessee has never elected a black Senator?
Except Ford is winning in the polls. If a black man is elected senator in Tennessee, that is a good sign the racial prejudice in the south may be fading away. If that is the case, then the fact Obama is black will not matter to people so much in Tenneessee, but rather the fact he is so danged liberal. Of course a Obama/Clark ticket wouldn't be too bad considering Clark has been polling at 55% or more against a generic Republican in Arkansas. Only time can tell how well things play out.
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beaconess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 01:02 PM
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6. Don't be so sure . . .
Edited on Tue Oct-17-06 01:03 PM by beaconess
If Harold Ford wins the Senate seat in Tennessee, no telling what Obama (or another Black candidate) can do in the South.

It will take someone like Obama to turn the tide in the South, to forge a new coalition of Blacks and liberal and moderate whites who want something different.

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keta11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 01:04 PM
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7. He won't do well up north either
He will poll well the day before and lose on election day. Facts are facts not fantasy. You don't know how racist America still is.
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beaconess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 01:13 PM
Response to Reply #7
10. Maybe it's time to stand up to that racism and work to turn America around
Edited on Tue Oct-17-06 01:22 PM by beaconess
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keta11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 01:36 PM
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14. You can't force people to change what is in their
hearts, or force them who to vote for in secret ballot.
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beaconess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 01:38 PM
Response to Reply #14
15. No, we can't. But we can outvote them.
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gully Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 02:15 PM
Response to Reply #7
33. White racists are not the only people allowed to vote in this country.
nt
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 05:07 PM
Response to Reply #7
55. won't do well up north? - a lot can happen in two years -- Obama hasn't
begun with saturation test yet, -- shoot all oprah has to do is continue to stand behind Obama and that might do it!
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Autonomy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 09:08 AM
Response to Reply #55
71. LOL
i'm not sure if i like the fact, but i have to think that it's true.
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 01:04 PM
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8. I'm not so sure about that
I think he would be an attractive candidate coast to coast and especially in the south. I think its great that we have so many great candidates to choose from. Who the hell are the republicans going to run? Can Ney run from Jail? After eight years of bush will any republican want the job?
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gully Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 01:44 PM
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16. I dunno, Bush appointed a black woman to Sec of state and as such,
I think in an odd sort of way, he readied America for the possibility? Heck Tennessee is actually considering Harold Ford for Senate. That says something about how far we've come.
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 01:56 PM
Response to Reply #16
21. Kindasleazy Lies is a token, just like her predecessor...
..and every rethuglican knows that...

We haven't come anywhere close to having a black man (or woman) in charge of this country...and to think otherwise is folly...
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 01:59 PM
Response to Reply #21
22. So we should disqualify Obama because of Rice?
:kick:
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 02:03 PM
Response to Reply #22
24. Nope. But Rice ain't gonna be Pretzeldent either...
..or do you REALLY think that the rethuglicans would vote for a BLACK, WOMAN?

Puhleez....:eyes:
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gully Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 02:12 PM
Response to Reply #24
30. Plenty of them have said they would.
I think they put money/class ahead of all else.
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 02:26 PM
Response to Reply #30
40. ...right up until they have to pull the lever in the voting booth...
..."oh heavens, we'll have to listen to a black man telling us what to do...."


Ain't.
Gonna.
Happen.

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gully Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 02:31 PM
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43. So says you.
nt
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gully Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 02:09 PM
Response to Reply #21
27. I disagree fully.
I think Obama could be the right man at the right time. As I said, Ford/Tennessee is an indicator of change in the south.
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 02:11 PM
Response to Reply #27
29. Ford is a DINO, and he hasn't been elected yet...
..so the jury is still out about that...
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gully Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 02:13 PM
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31. I don't care if he's a DINO or not, he's a black man polling even
with his white counterpart in TENNESSEE!
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 02:16 PM
Response to Reply #31
34. 'cos he says similar things to the rethuglicans (he voted FOR torture)...
...skin colour apparently only matters if it is brown and from the ME....
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gully Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 02:20 PM
Response to Reply #34
36. You're contradicting yourself. Does skin color matter in an election
in the US or not? I think it has a factor that is positive and negative in terms of votes. Racists will stay home, and blacks POC will vote in record numbers.
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 02:25 PM
Response to Reply #36
39. Yes it does, and the only reason he is this close is because he...
..wants to torture Brown-skinned foreigners just like the white guy in the race....
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gully Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 02:26 PM
Response to Reply #39
41. The white guy in the race does as well.
So, there goes that rationale.
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 02:47 PM
Response to Reply #41
44. Don't you realize its perfectly acceptable to hold Barack. . .
. . .to a higher standard? :sarcasm:
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gully Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 02:50 PM
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46. Apparently I'm in the dark about Obama?
LOL
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 01:50 PM
Response to Reply #1
19. Increased black voter turn out
will make him competitive in the South. That's just how it is.
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gully Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 02:13 PM
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32. Indeed.
nt
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 05:00 PM
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53. What southern states can someone even remotely progressive win anyway?
I'd say the only ones we really have a chance in are Arkansas, Virginia, and Missouri if you want to count that as the south. Florida, of course, but many don't consider that a southern state, either. Louisiana, Tennesee, and North Carolina are possible if we were to somehow win an absolute landslide.

Virginia has elected a black governor and is trending more democatic every day.

Also, as mentioned below, I think that the south's willingness to elect a black president may be indicated by the Tennesee senate race this year. I think that we should re-visit this issue after it has been determined whether Harold Ford will be heading back to DC with a promotion or home to Memphis without a job.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 10:37 AM
Response to Reply #1
78. Actually, the South is poised to send its first black man to the
Senate (Harold Ford Jr.) and, while there are pockets of racism in the South (as everywhere), the real problem is the mid-West. Not the South.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 10:47 AM
Response to Reply #1
79. The racist idiots who wouldn't vote for a black candidate
are highly unlikely to vote for ANY Democratic candidate. We should just write those haters' votes off.
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hiphopnation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 11:50 AM
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82. that's the spirit!! n/t
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 12:52 PM
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93. A Black Republican would be elected President before a Blk Dem
would. Right wing southerners would be more open to that idea--but a Black Democrat--we can just forget that, for now.
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T_i_B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 12:58 PM
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3. No flames from me.
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beaconess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 01:01 PM
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4. Beautiful!
Thanks!
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 01:02 PM
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5. The experience issue just don't hunt
In June 1944, thousands of American kids, some just out of high school stormed the beaches of France and none had experience doing so. None of them had any experience and yet they marched victoriously into Paris a couple of months later.

On the other hand, george w. bush has all kinds of experience. I give you his lifelong fuckups as evidence that experience is irrelevant.

I will be backing General Clark from day one but I will be behind our nominee 110% whomever that might be.

One thing to consider, Obama's replacement? Now is the time to be looking for a dem nominee for his seat if he chooses to run for President.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 05:03 PM
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54. Governor Blagojevich will appoint his replacement
And the Illinois GOP is in shambles. Don't expect them to pick up Obama's seat.
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 01:05 PM
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9. He's a good speaker.
But his voting record has been a major disappointment, although it has gotten a tad better as of late.

I don't think there are many Obama haters out there. But there are a lot of us who have been profoundly disappointed in him so far, including this native of the Land of Lincoln who contributed to his campaign.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 01:19 PM
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11. I like Obama....although I don't think I want him to run for Prez in '08
I think many who support Wes Clark do so specifically because of his foreign policy expertise....Obama as Clark's VP would be great....but on top of the ticket, well this flies in the face of why one might want to see Clark as Prez.

Obama's life story is compelling and actually reflects very much my own (being half white/French and half black, being raised solely by my French mother) and although I never attended Harvard, my Black daughter goes there, and is in her second year....so in my own way, I am realizing the American dream, as Obama himself did. But, as much in common as I may have with him, that doesn't make me compelled to want to support him as my president in 2008.

At this time in our history, after suffering Bush for 8 years, it is my strong belief that we need an individual to help lead us on a restoration path as it relates to our global relations. The fact that China and India are major forces as we journey through the 21st century both who have and will continue to affect our domestic and monetary policies is of most importance to me right now. Whether it is fighting terrorism, Global warming, or getting a handle of how we are to compete with the wide open cheap labor market that is to be our competition in determining the jobs that we will have, how much we will be paid, and if we will ever be able to get some major health care reforms through by finding the funds to actually fund a universal program by cutting the pork out of the largest item in our budget; the pentagon spending.... is looming large on my mind.

Wes can and does claim the mantel of serious experience and expertise in Foreign policy/Peace Treaties/Fighting Wars and ending wars/National Security/emergency preparedness; Obama cannot.

Plus, it is my opinion that Obama is more of an Edwards' supporter type of candidate; both charismatic and loved by the media (for now) and both reported to give good speeches (I prefer Obama's delivery and speeches myself); both with compelling life stories (Obama's background as the son of a sheep herder and his Kansas childhood, Edwards' SOMW and his tragic experience of losing a child); both involved in Law and who put themselves through school; both preaching about the disavantage; both pretty inexperienced in Foreign Policies (in which Edwards proved inept in 2002-2005, Obama not yet) and both regarded as handsome guys that the camera just loves.

So why don't you tell me what similarities Wes Clark and Obama have that makes you like them both.....and why you would consider Obama, but not necessarily John Edwards. This is of genuine interest to me; in other words, I'm just curious. Thanks.

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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 01:22 PM
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12. Obama WILL be President...
Don't think it will be 2008, but I have absolutely no doubt that the Presidency is in his future!!!
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 05:13 PM
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57. Kick & Recommended
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BluegrassDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 01:28 PM
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13. THANKS FOR POSTING!!!
You've been saying what I've been saying for a while now. And I'm sick of people on DU trashing Obama more than they do Bush. Obama is a helluva guy and would make an excellent president, whether in 2008 or later. And YES, I would support Obama wholeheartedly if he ran!! He has more experience in government than Edwards, but I don't hear anyone on here saying Edwards isn't experienced enough.
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 03:32 PM
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48. Experience only matters when you are Black. . .
. . .Obama will be held to a higher standard than the other candidates.
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BluegrassDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 03:56 PM
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49. Yeah, I've noticed that brotha'
Experience only seems to matter when talking about Obama...forget JFK. Edwards only ran 1 campaign in his entire life before running for president himself, but no one on here yelled about his lack of experience. There definitely is a higher threshold for black politicians. The sad thing is that the DU is no different than the freepers in applying these double standards.
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beaconess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 03:57 PM
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50. Amen - just as willing to apply double standards - but more sanctimonious
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gully Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 01:45 PM
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17. Scarryborough and Buchanan were RAVING about him on Joe's show
last night. I too would have NO trouble supporting Obama for President. I think he'd be fabulous.
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MontanaMaven Donating Member (94 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 02:29 PM
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42. That's what gets my antennae up
George Will was singing his praises as well. Is there a reason all these right wingers are pushing him?
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 02:48 PM
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45. Keep looking for a reason not to like him. . .
. . .if you must.
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gully Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 02:51 PM
Response to Reply #42
47. Could be I suppose?
Though, I think JS is sincere.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 01:52 PM
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20. He should run now before the Senate poisons him.
He doesn't need to be sitting in the Senate letting himself be corrupted by the self-important deluded atmosphere that dominates there. He needs to run before he becomes too much of a Senator to relate to people.
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1932 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 02:00 PM
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23. I'll take a serious look at Obama if he runs. His IL state house work was
inspiring.

It's harder to be a great liberal and be successful in the senate. But I think Obama has enough accomplishments prior to joining the senate so that we can figure out where his heart is.

I also plan on reading his books soon so that I can get more insight.

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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 02:06 PM
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25. Is it 2007 already?
You have to wait 3 more weeks before posting stuff like this. :)
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 02:08 PM
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26. I tried to wait. . .but the Obama bashing forced my hand. . .
. . .:kick:
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 02:18 PM
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35. He's a light-weight DLC creation...
...and there's just something about him that makes me very nervous...like he's too good to be true...there's something we don't know about yet...

I like the guy, love his speeches, but his votes don't always match his rhetoric, and sometimes his rhetoric doesn't match his party, which leads me to be very leery about him....
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1932 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 07:20 AM
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61. Oh, really?
Why don't you cite your evidence that he's DLC.

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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 07:25 AM
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62. Well the DLC called him a rising star a few years ago. . .
. . .so by hater standards he is dyed in the wool DLC. Any reason people can find to hate him they will.
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1932 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 07:39 AM
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64. I wonder if TrueBrit is aware that
the DLC put Obama's name on their roster in '04 and Obama told them to take it off because he had never been a member and doesn't agree with their policies.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 02:10 PM
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28. I would definitely seriously consider Obama.
Love Al Gore. Love Wes Clark. But I definitely can see the advantages of a fresh face. Obama knocked my socks off when he first came to my attention giving the keynote speech at the Dem Convention. He definitely has the wow factor of Clinton.
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gully Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 02:21 PM
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37. I'm with ya.
Love Gore, like Clark, and am falling in love w/ Obama as well. *wink*
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 02:22 PM
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38. Would there be any doubt in your mind if he were the
democratic candidate? The grand old party is going to have to check their rolodex to figure out which potential candidate should be in jail insted of free. There should be no doubt in any dems mind if Obama is the candidate.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 04:51 PM
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52. I can certainly understand and appreciate your enthusiasm for
Senator Obama.

He's absolutely terrific.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 05:12 PM
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56. If We can accept Rice? Obama is a golden gift!!!!!!!!!!!
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 05:37 PM
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58. Hey! Who's accepted Rice?
Not me, goddammit!
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 07:04 AM
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59. Kick
:kick:
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 07:13 AM
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60. No other Democratic candidates come close to inspiring like Obama
Thank god he's in our Party, that's all I've gotta say. I say turn this guy loose in 2008 and he'll capture the country.
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 07:32 AM
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63. No hate here
but if you think Kerry's campaign was poll driven and consultant heavy (remember he's been in the game for decades!), imagine what the campaign of two green candidates would be like! It makes me seriously uncomfortable as it would anyone who looks at it with an analytical eye instead of emotion based thinking.

Julie
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The Count Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 08:14 AM
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65. Sorry, I don't see it. And Wes WILL run - just has other things to do
right now than self-promotion, unlike others.
I think using the word "haters" is a bit much when we talk about disagreements on principles. Wes inspires me.
Obama is an articulate politician.
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 08:16 AM
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66. IGNORE 08. GOTV. DONATE. GOTV. DONATE. GOTV. DONATE.
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 08:26 AM
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68. Can't you just hide the thread ?
Some of us enjoy this stuff :hi:
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 09:57 AM
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75. Not meaning to poop on anyone's party - just want to make sure
was are in a position in '08 to vote with confidence for whoever is our nominee. We've got to get Dems in to clean up the voting systems and election procedures - so now is the right time to support the '08 campaign by pushing to win '06. We need OVERWHELMING turnout.

:kick:
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 08:16 AM
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67. Again... Only way he could win is if the other candidate is also a Senator
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 08:36 AM
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69. There's something about Obama that transcends
Listen, first of all, if the man could win in Illinois during the height of Bushco's "popularity" and amidst Bushco's fevered fear-mongering with a name that rhymes with Osama -- this man can do anything he wants.

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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 08:48 AM
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70. A senator hasn't been elected President in 40 years (easier to smear)
and it would be nice to have a good candidate from a flippable red state. Any blue-state senator is going to have more of an electoral challenge. Alas, maybe he will be the best overall candidate. Depends o nwho else runs.
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reality based Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 09:15 AM
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72. What kind of leader would he be?
He made a good speech once, but subsequent efforts have been unremarkable despite the hype campaigns I've seen. JFK, for example, gave many speeches on his way to the nomination that showed his intellect and understanding not only of the issues at hand but of the nature of the human condition and how American values should be implemented at home and shared with the world. I have been down the road of promoting "new faces" for the presidency-- Jimmy Carter, for one. Carter was a great way to blunt the Republican "Southern Strategy" for awhile but his lack of broad political experience and understanding was his eventual undoing. He did not have political reserves that could carry him through a crisis that Kennedy, Nixon, Reagan, or even Clinton had. I now regret that I supported Carter for the nomination over Humphrey or Udall either of whom I think would have done a better job of leading us through the crises that Carter failed to handle (and thereby gave us Reagan and his progeny). The question is what kind of leader would Obama be? How does he handle pressure? How does he manage people? Does he have an instinctive understanding of American Constitutional democracy? Does he really know people-- foreigners as well as his own fellow citizens? Does he have good judgment? What are his moral limits with respect to the use of force-- domestically as well as internationally? We have some idea about the answers to these questions with people like Kerry, Edwards, and Clarke, but we have yet to learn much about Senator Obama-- other than he has cheerleaders like Time magazine. I intend to educate myself about him but the style of the hype so far is making me uneasy.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 09:17 AM
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73. I think he's a good man, but not ready
I do not trust Barack Obama as Commander in Chief in a time of war. He was a State Sen in Illinois two years ago and is not ready to make the leap to President. I don't think he has the foreign policy experience and this is my number one issue going into 2008. Nothing else matters as much as getting America back on track.

I believe that Sen. Obama has potential, but I do not think he is yet ready.
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yodermon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 09:53 AM
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74. Great post. To all Obama detractors!
He is, in fact, very progressive.

He is, by count of www.progressivepunch.com, the 8th most progressive senator in Congress,
(following Sarbanes, Reed, Kennedy, Boxer, Durbin, Levin, & Lautenberg)

http://www.progressivepunch.com/members.jsp?member=HI1&search=selectScore&chamber=Senate&zip=&x=40&y=11

(interesting side note: newly outed bisexual Republican Larry Craig (ID) is DEAD LAST on the list. :rofl: )



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dapper Donating Member (755 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 10:25 AM
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76. I'm voting for Gore, my wife is voting for Clinton
Besides, Obama rhymes with Osama :-)

I'm kidding of course. Every candidate will be criticized, in fact there are people who have Criticized the choices I mentioned in the subjet. We have 2 years to discuss who our best candidate will be. Peace out.

Dap
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 10:34 AM
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77. Sure - go right ahead a push someone that has NO CHANCE
Edited on Wed Oct-18-06 10:36 AM by Clark2008
of flipping any red or reddish-purple states. Feel free to make my job more difficult. :eyes:

Honestly, there are WHOLE pockets of the country, spurred by 12 years of Republicans quietly egging on hated of women and minorities, that won't vote for a black man (Obama) or a white woman (Hillary). It's wrong and I'm sorry it's so, but that's the hard, cold fact.

Sigh.

I think you should stick with Wes. He has infinitely more of a chance of flipping some of these states than Obama.

Again, I have no ill-will toward Obama or Hillary - or even Russ Feingold - but, unfortunately, this country has regressed in recent years and trying to elect a person who, well, is not a white man, is out of the question until we get back into power and start that pendulum shifting back toward good again.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 10:51 AM
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80. Those racists aren't going to be voting for Wes, either.
The Republicans can count on their votes no matter who we run.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 12:59 PM
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94. I'd say more will vote for Wes than would vote for Obama
or Hillary, though.

I'd venture to say that there are quite a few racists and sexists who aren't too happy with the Republican party's spending and the Iraqi war and might go Dem - if it's a white guy.

And, not just Wes, but for Gore, as well.
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 11:17 AM
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81. Thanks for your courageous post -- I'M WITH YOU!
We've got another JFK, someone who lights a fire in people -- someone fresh and new -- someone whose excitment might actually WIN for us (if the votes are counted). I'm afraid all of our other possible candidates have already been Swiftboated or people are just tired of them.

I was a Clarkie, too -- a very active volunteer. I still adore him and think he would make a great President. But he ran before. Let's seriously consider someone who's not run before.

On a practical level, I'll address the question of whether America is ready for a black President. I like to think they are, but if some are not, I think this would be counterbalanced by the tremendous percentage of black Americans who would go to the polls to vote for Obama. And never underestimate the influence of Oprah -- just ask people in the book business.

This guy is attractive, a smart politician, a smart man, a good man. He's smart enough to put together an administration that can address the naton's needs, foreign and domestic. And that's why he has been enjoying a media moment. Is this media conniving to "choose our candidate" for us, so we will lose? Hogwash! This is media reporting a good story.
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 01:58 PM
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83. I'm still a Clarkie. . .or I prefer the term Wes Winger
Neither man has declared his intention for 2008, so I have not been forced to choose yet.
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 02:14 PM
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84. He will certainly run sometime; however, I think he will hurt his
chances of winning if he runs in 2008. He needs to wait until 2012 (or 2010 if we lose 08) because that gives him more time to enrich his service and solidify his support. In my humble opinion, if Obama runs in 08, he will lessen his chances of someday becoming president. Now if he were on the ticket as the Vice President, that would be better.
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 02:37 PM
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85. In 2012 he would be running against an incumbent, either in the primary. .
. . .or general election.
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 07:59 AM
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86. Kick
:kick:
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BoneDaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 08:06 AM
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87. I would vote for
Obama in a heartbeat. Especially over Hillary. I just dont know if AMerica is ready for a black president yet. I hope we would be, but reality may just dictate something different.
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rigel434 Donating Member (42 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 08:11 AM
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88. Same here, Obama is our most charismatic politician since RFK
and I for one think he could win the election in a landslide. After watching him on Larry King last night I was ready to join his campaign. My only reservation is that he hasn't said he was running and I don't want to get my hopes up and then end up being disappointed.
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ChipperbackDemocrat Donating Member (331 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 08:47 AM
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89. I like Obama, but not in 2008
Barack Obama hasn't even served a full term in the Senate. Oh yes, he's a "star on the rise", but he has a lot to learn and I think we need to give him the time to learn it. First, he has to learn how Washington works, and a President who can't work Washington just isn't going to work unless he has a mandate so watertight that it doesn't matter. For whatever reasons, a Democrat will not have that mandate because the Democratic Party is not willing to do what it takes to build that mandate.

Obama also has to learn the world at large. Who the players are and what the roles are, etc. He may have the charisma, but he also has to have the tools, and he doesn't have them, yet. A couple of terms in the senate. Some knockdown dragout with the adversaries. Some exposure to the world at large will help make him ready to assume that oval office and do something.

I like that he is building a vision for this country. That's why I like him. He wants the work, and that's what I am looking for in a President. I want somebody who wants the job, because they have an idea of what they want this country to be. That's what our adversaries do not want. They don't want the work, they just want power. They worship at the alter of Baal and Asherah and they do not deny it. Obama will have a chance to change that paradigm, but he has to be ready to win and ready to govern, right now he isn't there. Give him time.

My only question is, will Obama keep to a progressive course or will he "center" in? And more importantly, will he and the party prepare to rally a real progressive challenge in a future campaign and will they be willing to mount that campaign the way it need to be done. A progressive campaign that is a direct repudiation of the "Southern Strategy", the division strategies, all the way that our Republican adversaries have effective used to get poor and middle class folks to vote for a Rich Man's Party. Will Barack Obama be willing to say that on the stump? That's the 270 Electoral Vote Question, ladies and gentlemen.



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rigel434 Donating Member (42 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 09:15 AM
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90. He knows the important things already
"he has a lot to learn and I think we need to give him the time to learn it."

Okay, let's look at the likely (feasible) Democratic candidates:

Hillary: voted for the Iraq War.
Kerry: voted for the Iraq War.
Edwards: voted for the Iraq War.
Bayh: voted for the Iraq War.

Obama: came out strongly against the Iraq War.

Now, maybe the other candidates have more "experience" than Obama, but that experience didn't stop them from voting for the biggest foreign policy debacle in my lifetime. And I and others here knew it would be a debacle from the beginning, so excuses and supposed good intentions don't count for much with me. I think it's essential that we elect someone who had the good sense to oppose this ridiculous war from the beginning.

No, the Iraq war isn't the only issue, but Obama makes sense to me on just about every issue he talks about. No, he doesn't vote exactly like any of us want in every single case, but he makes sense and you can tell he is coming from a good place of basic decency.
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jeffrey_X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 09:35 AM
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91. "he has to learn how Washington works"
I say bull shit to this. I don't want a guy who comes in and works the system like everyone else.

I like the fact he is bringing a fresh perspective to Washington and he's made it known to his constituency that he will NOT play the traditional Washington games/politics.

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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 09:38 AM
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92. "Haters go ahead?"
Go ahead with what? Does not putting Obama on a personal list of preferred candidates somehow equal hate?

I'm happy for you, having found politicians you believe in, even if I don't understand what hate has to do with it.

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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 01:10 PM
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95. Obama, wise choice in 08, - he'd run circles around McCain or Juliani
Seeing Obama in a debate between Gore & Hillary would cinch it!!
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