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BobRossi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 06:48 AM
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Just say no John.
Mr. "Day late and dollar short" John Kerry looking at another run at POTUS:

"WASHINGTON - Sen. John Kerry says he deserves a second chance if he decides to take another crack at becoming president."

"The Massachusetts Democrat, who lost to President Bush in 2004, said it is a basic principle that "Americans give people a second chance. And if you learn something and prove you've learned something, maybe even more so. Now, I don't know what I'm going to do yet. We'll make that decision down the road."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061015/ap_on_el_pr/kerry2008_1

Sorry John, but WE deserve a better candidate than a second-guessing quiter.

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Waya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 06:49 AM
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1. No, he doesn't......
...sorry, but the way he gave in 2004 - stay home, John....
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 08:04 AM
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29. Name the candidate who had a different DNC that secured election process
Do people really believe that DNC did the job they were charged with for FOUR YEARS?

Kerry did his job and won. You all blame him because there was no way to secure the vote AFTER an election thanks to the 4 YEARS of negligence by the DNC and its office of Voter Integrity, that apparently took a four year vacation. between 2001 and 2004.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 06:50 AM
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2. Just say Yes, John! And thank you for another divisive thread.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 06:50 AM
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3. Ditto that on both counts! nt
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 06:53 AM
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5. Oh, he'll say yes. And we'll have more annoyed, ill-informed
little toddlers throwing hissyfits around these parts up until (and probably after) Inauguration Day, 2009.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 06:51 AM
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4. Oy. You're going to have a rough 2008-9, friend.
Start preparing yourself.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 06:55 AM
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6. John Kerry had his chance. If he chooses he will have a second chance...
Edited on Mon Oct-16-06 06:56 AM by William769
at the nomination. If he wins it again, I'll give up!
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 07:00 AM
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11. Then it's you who will be the quitter
Kerry had no other realistic choice but to concede. You will have a choice.
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 06:56 AM
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7. Senator Kerry was guilty
of not acting like a thug and getting in the gutter with trash that makes up the republican party in 04. He is not a quitter. He is an honorable veteran and a statesmen. A person the gop does not want in the spotlight for the democratic party.

I don't know who I will support in 08 but if Senator Kerry is our nominee I'll be behind him 110%.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 07:00 AM
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10. preach it brother, or sistah... i am ready and waiting for that yes
just told kids how kerry is thinking about re running and all the advantages there is in that. this house will be supporting 110% too. and i do believe he is one the GOP dos not want either. especially that so many are aware now what repugs are doing ot supress vote. there is going to be a lot of looking at this 2006 election. by 2008 hopefully this issue will be controllable
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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 07:14 AM
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17. IMHO he ran from the Swiftboaters.
:shrug: and he would do it again.
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 07:31 AM
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23. Its a sad day in America
when one has to be a thug and a punk and a liar to win elections. Kerry did not want to be that person in 04, did not want to stoop to the swiftboat level. He naively thought that Americans would not respond to a truck full of garbage. Unfortunately and thanks to the republican party such actions can't be ignored in the future.

No doubt Kerry's response, swiftboat me once shame on you.

I will start out the 08 campaign a General Clark supporter but I will be All Ahead Flank for our nominee whomever that might be.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 08:28 AM
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34. :-)
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 06:58 AM
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8. Why are you afraid to have him run?
Edited on Mon Oct-16-06 06:58 AM by karynnj
If there is a better candidate, Kerry will lose.

I don't see any one better running. After yesterday's long thread on the same article, is this necessary?
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 07:29 AM
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22. It is amazing the energy spent attacking a lousy candidate who does
not stand a chance. I still cannot make sense of it.

...:crazy:

Or, is it the problem?:think: He is not a lousy candidate.
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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 06:58 AM
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9. I would support Gore but never Folding Boy Kerry
Edited on Mon Oct-16-06 07:08 AM by wakeme2008
Bye John.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 07:02 AM
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12. So, in the GE, you vote GOP if he is the nominee?
Edited on Mon Oct-16-06 07:02 AM by Mass
(Dont tell me green - in our present system, it is the same thing, this still makes you a GOP enabler).
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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 07:11 AM
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15. No $$ or Vote
If you want him give him your money and vote...

IMHO there are too many good choices out there for him to fold and hide from the Swiftboaters.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 07:12 AM
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16. I will, dont worry. And I will support the Democratic nominee whoever
it is!

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fedupinBushcountry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 07:18 AM
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19. How stupid
Well I hope whomever you support doesn't make one mistake,will you stab him or her in the back too?
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 08:52 AM
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38. maybe you ought to wake up BEFORE 2008 and get some sense
:)
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demnan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 07:02 AM
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13. I promise never to say a disparaging thing about a candidate
I didn't like what happened to us in 2004. I care more about that than who wins.
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Epiphany4z Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 07:08 AM
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14. I really like Kerry
I would vote for him. I think he made mistakes last time out but unlike monkey boy GW he learns from his mistakes.
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Island Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 07:15 AM
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18. I've got a better idea.
Why don't we (as good Democrats) let everyone who wants to enter the primaries, enter the primaries. Then we (as good Democrats) can go out and work our asses off for the candidate of our choosing. May the best man (or woman) win.

We shouldn't disqualify Edwards, Kucinich, Clark, Sharpton, or anyone else who has ever run and LOST in the primaries from running again. Nor should we disqualify John Kerry who WON the primaries.

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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 07:26 AM
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20. I stand by my answer yesterday. The premise of the question is absolutely
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2400004&mesg_id=2401089

The premise of the question is absolutely stupid. This is not about
second chance and personnal ambition. It is about


WHO IS THE BEST MAN TO LEAD THIS COUNTRY
IN A DIFFICULT PERIOD WITH A LOT OF CHALLENGES.
/

If you think that Kerry is this man, you should support him.

If you think somebody is better, you should support this person.

It is about how you assess the problems and who has the best solution.

The rest is pure BS.
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bambo53 Donating Member (558 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 07:27 AM
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21. Mary Beth Cahil & Bob Shrum. Donna Braizle -Nuff said
Taking a long vacation in August before the election when Rove pulls his dirty tricks campaign and not fighting back. Giving long boring speeches that ended up nowhere. Taking both sides of every issue.

I backed him and wanted him to win but he didn't seem to want to win. The DNC and DLC turned him into a bland no position, no risk taking endlessly yammering robot that no one could pin down on anything, just like they did to Al Gore.

I don't really blame Gore or Kerry, I blame the DNC & DLC for timid advice and strategy. The republican attack and destroy machine is and was well known. We all knew what they were capable of, yet these bozos did nothing to counter it, it's as though they were trying to lose, they sure as hell were not listening to us.

Here's a clue for next time- Alternative energy.(terrorism solved) Universal health care, and for christ's sake STAND UP FOR YOURSELF!
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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 07:46 AM
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25. Yes.
:applause: Thank you! :applause:
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 07:37 AM
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24. Put up the credentials of the Democratic candidate you support
Edited on Mon Oct-16-06 07:38 AM by ProSense
and let's see who is a day late and a dollar short. This is a cheap way to make other candidates look more appealing. The primaries will sort it out!
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bambo53 Donating Member (558 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 07:54 AM
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26. Ever wonder why republicans don't,
re-run Bob Dole?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 08:01 AM
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27. Bob Dole got 60 - 65 million votes?
.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 08:18 AM
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32. Bob dole? WTF? n/t
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 08:22 AM
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33. May be because he was 73 in 96 and therefore way to old to run
Edited on Mon Oct-16-06 08:23 AM by Mass
again in 2000. He tried his wife instead however.
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 09:51 AM
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39. Ever wonder why the Republicans re-ran Nixon and Reagan?
Edited on Mon Oct-16-06 09:52 AM by rockymountaindem
Oh, 'cause they eventually won. That's right.

On edit: this thread is a steaming pile of crap. If people support other candidates, they should come out and say so. If all we're going to do is drag other candidates down, we don't deserve to win. If Kerry deserves a second chance, he'll win the nomination the same way he did last time. If not, he won't. Name calling on DU won't change the outcome of anything.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 08:03 AM
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28. Based on the title, I thought this was an Edwards post at first
My bad. It should have been clearer in the title.

Kerry should run again. That's what makes primaries interesting. He has the experience, has been through the process once and deserves another chance.

If you don't like him, vote for someone else. But get used to it, I think he's going to run.
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Joe Bacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 08:12 AM
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30. Give it up, John. You had your chance and you folded.
You COULD have stood up when YOU KNEW that Ohio was rigged, and you didn't.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 08:13 AM
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31. Actually, he did and has been a consistent voice
speaking out ever since.
Howeverf, some people just refuse to see it and don't believe that facts matter. In my opinion, such people are immune to reason and only see what they want to see.

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hijinx87 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 08:32 AM
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36. he caved THE NEXT MORNING.

and declaring only facts that support your opinion to be the
only facts that "matter" and those who disagree with you to
be alien to reason is a bit much.

when the chips were down, he folded. and that was after he
reassured us hundreds of times that every vote would be counted.

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GreenArrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 08:31 AM
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35. Johnny E. or Johnny K.
You've had your chance, now go away.
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lwcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 08:35 AM
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37. Blame me, I'm from Massachusetts
Like many in this state (okay, "The Commonwealth"), I was surprised and somewhat concerned when Kerry was plucked from also-ran status and elevated to front-runner via some back-room maneuvering in the Iowa caucuses.

He's a good man, with solid liberal credentials, but he's never been an inspiring figure in the Bay State, and he didn't seem like a magnet for those superficial swing voters who have our country by the cojones.

Actually, I thought he over-achieved in the 2004 campaign, doing a superb job during the debates, with only one or two moments I could knock at all.

Though a lot of DUers were excited by the "new, improved" John Kerry seen on Bill Maher's "Real Time" last week, I suggest you watch it again on On Demand or on You Tube or such, if you can find it. His attempts at gutsy humor were not very good at all -- they're pretty nonsensical, and remarkable only because he smiles and repeats naughty phrases like "put a boot in ass."

The recycling project that's far more convincing to me is Al Gore's. He was against the war in Iraq before he was still against the war, and his climate-change campaign has been one of the most inspiring Democratic endeavors of recent years.

So, though this Massachusetts boy now respects Kerry much more than he ever did, I'm -- as Dave Loggins put it -- the number one fan of the man from Tennessee.

___

Hey, the liberal light is always on at the Vast Left-Wing Conspiracy. Please stop by and say "hi!"

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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 10:17 AM
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40. Locking.

Flame On!
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