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truth2power (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 09:53 AM Original message |
I just talked to Sherrod Brown's office. Keith Olberman is wrong.. |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 09:56 AM Response to Original message |
1. what exactly is the issue |
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Mass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 09:58 AM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Except that it allows to hold "civilian ennemy combattants'" without |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 10:03 AM Response to Reply #4 |
8. link to provision in law? |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-12-06 05:26 AM Response to Reply #8 |
106. Brown's statement - pretty easy to understand |
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BlueEyedSon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 09:59 AM Response to Reply #1 |
5. What about people (arbitrarily) declared enemy combatants? |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 10:04 AM Response to Reply #5 |
10. no. there is no provision allowing you to be stripped of citizenship |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 10:26 AM Response to Reply #10 |
19. That part is in the upcoming Patriot II. |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 10:33 AM Response to Reply #19 |
21. link? |
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frogcycle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-12-06 01:29 AM Response to Reply #10 |
102. they dont need to |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-12-06 05:15 AM Response to Reply #102 |
105. Welcome to DU! |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 11:44 AM Response to Reply #1 |
34. True, however the patriot act allows the dictator and his assignees |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 12:07 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. no it doesn't |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 02:28 PM Response to Reply #36 |
46. Text here |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 03:58 PM Response to Reply #46 |
54. that language was never introduced or enacted |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-12-06 12:01 PM Response to Reply #54 |
113. Oh well, then I guess everything's must be just fine. |
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Bandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 01:54 PM Response to Reply #1 |
44. They already restricted Habeas Corpus for Jose Padilla |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 02:02 PM Response to Reply #1 |
45. See post #3, below. You're wrong. |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 04:22 PM Response to Reply #45 |
56. if your responding to my post, there's nothing in post #3 |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 09:57 AM Response to Original message |
2. two words.... |
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shance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 11:00 AM Response to Reply #2 |
27. Thank you Mike. |
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Skinner ADMIN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 09:58 AM Response to Original message |
3. From the New York Times |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 10:01 AM Response to Reply #3 |
6. It's the Alien & Sedition Acts all over again. n/t |
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librechik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 10:03 AM Response to Reply #3 |
9. then it leaves the definition of combatant and detainee so vague |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-12-06 10:15 AM Response to Reply #9 |
110. As a practical matter |
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truth2power (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 10:07 AM Response to Reply #3 |
12. She said *paraphrasing*.. |
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gratuitous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 10:11 AM Response to Reply #3 |
13. Thank you, Sen. Smith |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 10:00 PM Response to Reply #13 |
89. Talk about ignoring facts n/t |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 01:43 PM Response to Reply #3 |
41. Quite simply, whomever is detained loses habeas corpus rights. |
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lillilbigone (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 05:03 PM Response to Reply #41 |
59. If you read only one post in this thread, read TahitiNut's nt |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 05:38 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. Thanks. It's surprising to me that this isn't clear. |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 05:42 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. where does it say a court can't review detention of a citizen? |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 06:19 PM Response to Reply #64 |
67. (sigh) How and to whom are you going to prove you're a citizen? |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 07:10 PM Response to Reply #67 |
70. You really don't understand how it works, do you. |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 07:24 PM Response to Reply #70 |
73. Nonsense. Mohamed abu Pitt was detained. |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 09:10 PM Response to Reply #73 |
82. so now we're into the silly argument phase |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 10:08 PM Response to Reply #82 |
92. Deleted message |
onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-12-06 12:12 AM Response to Reply #92 |
96. some people use freeper tactis, even here on DU |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-12-06 05:10 AM Response to Reply #96 |
103. Playing into the GOP's polticial strategy is nonsense |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 07:59 PM Response to Reply #62 |
77. That's just all wrong. |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-12-06 12:11 AM Response to Reply #77 |
95. thanks! |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 05:09 PM Response to Reply #41 |
60. quite simply not simple |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 05:27 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. read it |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 05:41 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. I did. If you say its there, you should be able to point it out |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 06:12 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. Why do you even play this game? Here. Read ... |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 07:11 PM Response to Reply #65 |
71. what part of the word "alien" don't you understand |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 07:21 PM Response to Reply #71 |
72. What part of "PROVE IT" don't you understand??? |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 07:44 PM Response to Reply #72 |
75. that's what courts do: resolve questions of fact |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 07:51 PM Response to Reply #72 |
76. Well that's a fundamental problem everyone has. They could have done that |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 08:26 PM Response to Reply #76 |
78. No. Not under color of law. |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 09:14 PM Response to Reply #78 |
83. It seemed to me that the point you were making in this subthread was that |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 11:37 PM Response to Reply #83 |
93. Except we had only very narrow differences in the protections |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-12-06 12:17 AM Response to Reply #93 |
98. see, here's somewhere we agree (I think) |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-12-06 07:59 AM Response to Reply #98 |
107. That's why I call it a facade. |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-12-06 12:14 AM Response to Reply #78 |
97. well, habeas corpus was never "inalienable" in the constitution |
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Divine Discontent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 08:52 PM Response to Reply #41 |
80. so if they ever come for us dems and say they want to just talk |
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ananda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 10:02 AM Response to Original message |
7. the problem |
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peace13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 10:04 AM Response to Original message |
11. I am sure that she is perfectly aware that the bill is evil. |
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truth2power (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 10:12 AM Response to Reply #11 |
15. Thank you. I've been yelling about this for weeks now.. |
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windbreeze (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 10:12 AM Response to Original message |
14. See the thing is |
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liam_laddie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 10:18 AM Response to Original message |
16. Brown's vote was... |
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razors edge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 10:57 AM Response to Reply #16 |
26. It didn't work. |
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Kolesar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 11:18 AM Response to Reply #26 |
29. Those "intelligence funding" attacks are not working. The detainee bill... |
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razors edge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 01:42 PM Response to Reply #29 |
40. No I do not see any adds |
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Kolesar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 01:48 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. Brown is rebutting the current ads with the "missed meetings" ad... |
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razors edge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 02:38 PM Response to Reply #43 |
49. I see the adds, I live in Toledo. |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 09:52 PM Response to Reply #29 |
84. Exactly, it was a set up, Brown avoided it |
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truth2power (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 11:01 AM Response to Reply #16 |
28. It may very well have been a tactical move, as you said, but... |
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Kolesar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 11:20 AM Response to Reply #28 |
30. Fox News and the Plain Dealer frame our issues |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 09:56 PM Response to Reply #30 |
86. True, and his poll numbers are still improving n/t |
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Elidor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 11:49 AM Response to Reply #28 |
35. I wish I had a link for this |
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Kolesar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 12:50 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. MISINFORMATION-That was a Schumer quote in a dailykos.com thread |
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Divine Discontent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 08:59 PM Response to Reply #37 |
81. prove it! LOL |
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Elidor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-12-06 12:18 PM Response to Reply #37 |
114. If I am mistaken, I apologize |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 09:57 PM Response to Reply #35 |
87. I call bullshit n/t |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 09:55 PM Response to Reply #28 |
85. Looks like he proved you wrong |
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Mass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 10:23 AM Response to Original message |
17. Here is a good explaination of the problem of the bill and how it applies |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 10:46 AM Response to Reply #17 |
25. the flaw I see in Balkin's analysis of the habeas corpus issue |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 10:24 AM Response to Original message |
18. Bill Nelson: I voted for it but I hope the court strikes some of it down. |
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Crabby Appleton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 10:27 AM Response to Original message |
20. Section 7 of MCA 2006 |
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Mass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 10:33 AM Response to Reply #20 |
22. So, if you are arrested tomorrow as an alien unlawful ennemy combattant |
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truth2power (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 11:21 AM Response to Reply #20 |
31. OK. Here's the problematic section... |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 01:28 PM Response to Reply #31 |
38. Reading Comprehension |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 02:29 PM Response to Reply #31 |
47. The section you cite qualifies another section: |
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Daphne08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 10:37 AM Response to Original message |
23. I think the problem lies with the broad language of the bill. |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 10:43 AM Response to Original message |
24. I don't care if the bill applies to citizens, non-citizens... |
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Kolesar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 11:27 AM Response to Reply #24 |
32. Run for Senate |
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Generator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 02:46 PM Response to Reply #32 |
51. I'm sure/he/she would never do such a thing |
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Kolesar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 02:50 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. Well, that was an anguished and disconnected thesis...eom |
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enigmacat (136 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 04:06 PM Response to Reply #52 |
55. And your posts on this topic have been BORING and GLIB. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 08:31 PM Response to Reply #55 |
79. Deleted message |
Kolesar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-12-06 09:34 AM Response to Reply #55 |
108. NO, YOU TRY BETTER NEXT TIME |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-12-06 12:29 AM Response to Reply #24 |
101. exactly right |
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grasswire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 11:37 AM Response to Original message |
33. remember, Bush hasn't signed the bill yet |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 01:32 PM Response to Original message |
39. That's baloney |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 04:30 PM Response to Reply #39 |
57. what is baloney? |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 06:13 PM Response to Reply #57 |
66. It's clearly baloney |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 07:43 PM Response to Reply #66 |
74. I hope you're right, but I worry that Hamdan is a very narrow decision |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 10:05 PM Response to Reply #66 |
90. Deleted message |
onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-12-06 12:10 AM Response to Reply #90 |
94. ooh, I'm so hurt. Why don't you try reading what I wrote in post 25 |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-12-06 10:09 AM Response to Reply #90 |
109. Confused attack dog |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-12-06 10:23 AM Response to Reply #109 |
111. Some people have a habit |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-12-06 10:56 AM Response to Reply #111 |
112. Making no sense at all |
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GreenTea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 01:46 PM Response to Original message |
42. She is either an ignorant dumb fuck or a lying dumb fuck... |
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McCamy Taylor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 02:32 PM Response to Original message |
48. Law Professor says US Citizens can be detained under this law: |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 02:42 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. She has the benefit of the doubt in my opinion but I just don't see how |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 06:27 PM Response to Reply #50 |
68. Me either. |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 07:07 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. Right. The habeas corpus provision explicitly only applies to aliens. |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-12-06 12:26 AM Response to Reply #69 |
99. why the provision defining enemy combatants isn't limited to aliens |
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wordpix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 03:02 PM Response to Reply #48 |
53. i hope the idiotic Congressmen who didn't bother reading the Patriot Act |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-12-06 12:27 AM Response to Reply #53 |
100. nope |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-12-06 05:13 AM Response to Reply #100 |
104. Not true |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 09:59 PM Response to Reply #48 |
88. That's why it won't stand up in court |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 04:41 PM Response to Original message |
58. It clearly does away with habeas corpus for foreign-born residents: |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-11-06 10:07 PM Response to Original message |
91. Thanks for checking on this and cutting through the BS |
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