Condi Rice says Iraq needs to take over operation of their country

[Freedom_from_Chains]

On Brit Humes show FNC. Says that in her recent talks in Iraq she told them they are going to have to stop killing each other and be ready to run their country by the end of the year.

Oh no, could the Republicans be saying that we need to cut and run, how un-patriotic of them, those treasonous bastards!!!!

[katty]

1. CON-di sermon: do as we say, not as we do

[NC_Nurse]

2. Mommy says we can't

kill each other any more!
Does she really expect saying shit like that to do anything?

[htuttle]

3. "...because we're now out of bullets."

[Freedom_from_Chains]

4. LOL, yeah things didn't go well in Bagdad today, did they? n/t

[The_Casual_Observer]

5. What I great idea. why didn't I think of that?

[partylessinOhio]

6. I would say Condoho is HYSTerical but I'm not sure she is a woman.

[mac56]

7. This is gonna backfire against them BIGBIGBIG time.

For years now they've been beating the drum that we can't possibly pull out of Iraq. Why? Because of the sacrifice made by those already dead to help them build democracy. And their loyal faithful bought it,. Now they're being told that's bullshit.

Watch for the blowback.

[ncteechur]

8. She is a dumbass do nothing.

[Peter Dow]

9. Moqtada Sadr & his Mahdi Army’s hospital death squads

(Note on this Democratic Underground post - I don't post here much so I still have to post in reply to other posts rather than start my own topic. But this topic looked the best one to reply to - (1) about Iraq - (2) about Condi - I'm the owner of Rice for President Yahoo Group)

Moqtada Sadr and the Mahdi Army’s final solution for Iraqi Sunnis - extermination.





Well last night’s CBS News report of how Moqtada Sadr and his Mahdi Army have turned the Iraqi Health Ministry into a Ministry of sectarian slaughter was a disturbing revelation indeed.

VIEW VIDEO

View video of CBS News report Death Squads
http://www.zshare.net/video/evilmoqtadasadr768-wmv.html

(That's a video I uploaded myself, but you might want to check out the CBS News webpage about this too -
CBS: Death Squads In Iraqi Hospitals
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/10/04/eveningnews/main2064668.shtml

I really do hope that Arabic versions of this report are being broadcast all over the Arabic world, not just by Voice of America but by Arabic satellite TV stations like Al Jazeera.

The Arab people are entitled to know and be forewarned about this evil at the heart of the current Iraqi government.

Moqtada Sadr appears not just to be waging civil war against Sunnis - he seems to be engaged in sectarian genocide, in the style of the worst crimes against humanity in history.

Therefore America, Britain and our allies can not support any Iraqi government which has the likes of supporters of Moqtada Sadr and the Mahdi army militia in it.

In fact, if anyone, Sunni or whoever, is waging a civil war against an Iraqi government at all associated with Moqtada Sadr - I can see why and I sympathise, I really do.

We’ve come to a point where horse-trading in the Iraqi parliament is not going to sort this out - it is a job for the President of Iraq and the national army of Iraq whose duty it is to defend the Iraqi constitution.



President George W. Bush shakes hands with President Jalal Talabani of Iraq after their joint press availability Tuesday, Sept. 13, 2005, in the East Room of the White House.

The Iraqi President must order

- the arrest or assassination of the evil Moqtada Sadr and his lying spokesman Health Minister Ali al-Shamari and

- the disarmament or elimination of the Mahdi army militia - using full scale warfare to achieve that if necessary.

If the Iraqi President will give this lead then coalition air power should be offered in support of Iraqi ground efforts to get Moqtada Sadr and his men. Our air-power helped when we got the terrorist Zarqawi and it may be of some use to get Moqtada Sadr and Ali al-Shamari too.

It boils down to this - its either take Moqtada Sadr out or there isn’t going to be anything meaningfully called “the country of Iraq” any more. It is Sadr or Iraq, there can't be both.

We must hope that good decent Shias, under Sistani and company, will see what a monster Moqtada Sadr is, and that he must be defeated if peace if ever to be established in Iraq. Maybe the good Shias will issue a fatwa or whatever to sentence Moqtada Sadr to death and eternal damnation - for surely he deserves no less.

Conclusions -

Target Moqtada Sadr

Target Ali al-Shamari

Target Mahdi army militia

[Peter Dow]

10. Some questions and answers

Shouldn't we have taken out Sadr long before this, seen this coming, acted before now?

Well it is not as if the Moqtada Sadr spokesmen, like the Health Minister are being honest to the public about the intensity of the sectarian bloodlust of Moqtada Sadr and his followers. Look at the lies the Health Minister told to Lara Logan in that CBS interview.

No. They’ve always been careful to try to justify their faction’s actions. Those engaged in crimes against humanity never admit what they are really up to. Even now some deny the holocaust happened.

I'm not very trusting at the best of times. But here is what I thought of Sadr and company.

I recall the Sadr faction getting into a big fight with US forces over the holy city of Najaf, I think they call it.

I remember thinking, “well, how would Christians react if the Vatican City was being stormed?” So I was inclined to argue at the time to cool it over that issue of Najaf. Was that a mistake? Well it might look like that WITH THE BENEFIT OF HINDSIGHT, which is always 20-20 (perfect vision).

Also, before Al Qaeda stoked up the civil war in Iraq, it has often seemed to me that coalition forces might have stumbled into confrontations with the Mahdi army militia and I thought that there might be room for an accommodation or arrangement with this faction, at least for the time being.

After all, the Shias had been treated so cruelly by Saddam, maybe it was time to cut their leaders some slack?

But whatever benefit of the doubt and length of rope Moqtada Sadr has been given, he’s used that rope to make a noose to hang himself and his followers, so to speak.

Sadr has ignored wiser Shia counsel, from the Grand Ayatollah Sistani who wisely has advised Shias not to allow themselves to be provoked into civil war.


The official website of the Grand Ayatollah Sistani

Some Iraqi leaders have been guilty of stoking this civil war - and now intelligence points to Moqtada Sadr as a very guilty party.

Perhaps the prize for “original evil” goes to Al Qaeda, but now with Moqtada Sadr, there is new evil to confront and defeat.

"The regime Bush is propping up is so evil that it sickens me to know we have a part in it" Fair comment?

Please don’t feel sick - we are not to blame. We have played our part in good faith. No one of us, least of all President Bush, has signed up to the evil of sectarian death squads.

This intelligence is new. It is a revelation and it changes my analysis and very likely the analysis of the US government too, I shouldn’t be surprised to find out very soon.

We didn’t know before, but now we do know. We are thinking and we are reacting. Don’t judge us now on what we didn’t know before.

Let us be fair and assume that not all the parts of the Iraqi government regime are so evil - and whereas before, when the evil of Sadr was not so well known, it is quite understandable that President Bush and his cabinet were supporting the formation of an Iraqi government of national unity, perhaps even including Sadr‘s faction.

Indeed unity IS a good thing - but the Iraqi people can’t safely unify with someone like Sadr who is going to slaughter people based simply on which branch of Islam they follow.

We didn’t and couldn’t demand that Iraqis include Sadr in their government. It has always been a matter for the Iraqi parliamentarians, who to include in their government, and they were a long time in agreeing to form such a government. It’s not as if they wanted to jump into bed (government) with Sadr on day one of parliamentary negotiations.

We couldn’t advise so strongly then against including Sadr because we didn’t know then the extent of Sadr complicity in sectarian death squads. Maybe some of us suspected, but only now with the release of this intelligence report can we know. Or at least we THINK we know. Even now, not everyone has seen the CBS report about the intelligence report. Even now, not all those who have seen the intelligence, have had time to come to a conclusion based on it.

It takes a while for the penny to drop. Raw intelligence reports need to be considered and a picture of what is really going on built up over time.

Intelligence is never perfect but we must always act on the best intelligence we have.

The biggest mistake in war time is not to react to your best intelligence as it comes in. If you freeze like a rabbit on the road at night caught by the headlights of an oncoming vehicle - well then you too will get run over, so to speak, and the war may be lost.

Now this new intelligence has come in. I have reacted.

Condi has reacted to the reports of growing sectarian violence by visiting Baghdad recently.


Baghdad, Iraq. October 5, 2006
Secretary Rice arrived in Baghdad for meetings with Iraqi political leaders. She was greeted by US Ambassador Dr. Zalmay Khalilzad. Secretary Rice traveled to Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Israel, the Palestinian Territories, and Iraq, October 1-5, 2006.

Soon we will see the whole US government react and adjust to the new situation. We will not freeze in the headlights of sectarian death squads. We will take them on and we will defeat them.

This war on terror will be won.

[Supersedeas]

11. WHAATT!! And abandon the Freedom Experiment!!! The Chimpster said

we will never abandon Iraq.

Fliiiiiiiiiippppp - Flooooooooppppp

Guess they really want that 20million dollar parade, huh?

[gratuitous]

12. Wasn't Iraq running their own country before we invaded?

Note to military folks: You've been deceived, and you're killing and dying for nothing. Dr. Rice herself says as much. As does James Baker III. And George W. Bush. And, well, that should make you depressed enough and give you the right idea. You might have to go to jail for a while if you desert, but is that really such a huge price to pay to retrieve your honor and integrity?