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frustrated_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-04 12:14 PM
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Why I still support and donate to Dean
Edited on Sat Feb-07-04 12:24 PM by frustrated_lefty
1) as of the year 2000, Vermont was rated 2nd best in the nation for the quality of medical care provided to Medicare beneficiaries
2) as of the year 2003, Vermont was ranked 3rd best in the nation for prescription benefits provided to Medicare beneficiaries
3) he signed into law managed care consumer protections that are among the toughest in the nation
4) he established the “Success by Six” program, in which Health care providers, social service agencies and others cooperate to connect parents with resources ranging from job training to parenting classes
5) he overhauled Vermont's traditional system of paying for public schools with local property taxes, shifting funds from rich towns to poor towns through a "sharing pool," sparking an explosion in education spending,which has been up by 40% since 1997
6) he ensured that virtually every child under 18 and more than 90 percent of adults are eligible for health coverage.
7) he created the Domestic Violence Fatality Review Committee to identify strengths and weaknesses in the community response to domestic violence
8) he established initiatives which included mandatory work requirements and lifetime maximum benefits, but were balanced by their support of children and their working parents with health care, child care, and job training (more at: http://www.acf.dhhs.gov/programs/ofa/ngachn/child~36.htm)
9) he increased investment on Child Care Services by 176% since 1991
10) he instituted the first state protocol for abuse investigations. In return, Vermont saw a 45% decline in physical and sexual abuse of children. This included a 64% decline in physical abuse victims ages 0-3 and a 43% decline in physical abuse victims ages 0-6.
11) he increased human services funding by 33%, and education funding by 25%
12) he cut income tax twice, removed the sales tax on most clothing, and reduced the state's long-term debt.
13) he raised the state's minimum wage twice during 11 years in office.
14) he created tax incentives to attract and keep new companies.
15) he created 41,000 jobs in a remarkably small state.
16) he appointed more women to office than any other state governor
17) he signed an executive order enhancing state assistance to victims of domestic violence
18) he challenged the term "partial birth abortion" from a medical perspective, saying that it is a "code word" for extremism
19) as a consequence of his policies, pregnancy rates for young teens dropped 49% in Vermont.
20) Under his governorship, Vermont was the first state to institute a statewide protocol for abuse investigations. In return, Vermont saw a 45% decline in physical and sexual abuse of children. This included a 64% decline in physical abuse victims ages 0-3 and a 43% decline in physical abuse victims ages 0-6
21) He has consistently, irrefutably argued that what a woman does with her body is her own decision and none of the government’s business.

I have yet to see any of you offer a substantive list of accomplishments for any of your candidates. What have they done, what have they stood up for? Some have tried to do the same for Kerry, but that ends up in a lot of waffling and explanation about how there were extenuating circumstances. Screw circumstances. Dean DID these things, no bones about it. Just what has your chosen candidate done?

edited for typos.
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Mass_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-04 12:19 PM
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1. rock on, brutha
Edited on Sat Feb-07-04 12:20 PM by Mass_Liberal
I agree completely. I would add that he consistently went against the War, and criticized those who failed to vote their conscience. I would also add the civil unions bill. That was a remarkable act of courage, in which he endured threats on his life to help the rights of gay and lesbian couples.
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redsoxliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-04 12:22 PM
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2. Dean is still #1
and he has pulled the democratic wing to the left. I am still hopeful he will pull it off, but if he doesn't I am still thankful to him for the work he has done for the party.
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polmaven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-04 12:35 PM
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6. As well you should be.
Governor Dean has and should continue to contribute to the party dialog, right through November 3 and beyond. All 10 of the candidates and all of their supporters are essential to the democratic (small d) process.

I believe the vast majority of DUers will agree with me on this, which is why I find it so distressing when I read all of the sour grapes and spitefulness going on here. The Governor has said he will do everything he can to be sure GWB is defeated in November. I believe him, and I look forward to his contributions to the GE whether or not he is the party's eventual nominee.
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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-04 12:26 PM
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3. I'm positively notorious...
...for not "doing what I'm told". The pundocrity and Democratic establishment can KMA. It's Dean for me, even when he's "coarse" in saying something, he's usually saying what needs to be said. This nation needs Dean.
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-04 12:29 PM
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4. As I've told some local Kerry/Clark/Edwards supporters
The things you like about what your candidate is saying are the things that Dean was saying more than a year ago when no one else would.

Don't you want a president who thinks for himself rather than one who waits to see which way the wind is blowing?
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redsoxliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-04 12:30 PM
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5. well said
Edited on Sat Feb-07-04 12:36 PM by redsoxliberal
"Don't you want a president who thinks for himself rather than one who waits to see which way the wind is blowing?"





see Iraq War, healthcare, etc.
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frustrated_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-04 01:38 PM
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7. Well said n/t
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Casablanca Donating Member (549 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-04 02:32 PM
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11. The rhetorical answer to a rhetorical question.
Voters who wait to see which way the wind is blowing vote for candidates who do the same.

Which is why we've had Repub presidents for most of the last 20 years.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-04 01:40 PM
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8. The School Districts thing
I know some people in the better-off towns were a little put out by that one.

BUT.

Unless NCLB/standardized tests are done away with, that's really not a bad idea. People who live in districts where test scores are higher are seeing their property values (and taxes) shoot up, big time, as those neighborhoods become THE place to be in. The average middle-class family gets pushed out.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-04 03:57 PM
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16. As a person who lived in piss poor neighborhoods where the kids were
treated like second class citizens, the school equity is one of the major reasons I support Dean.
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frustrated_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-04 01:47 PM
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9. Sad, no replies on issues n/t
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redsoxliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-04 01:54 PM
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10. That's b/c he is great on the issues n/t
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pacifictiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-04 02:39 PM
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12. I absolutely agree he would be the best thing
for america. Unfortunately mainstreet america will never realize that while the news corporations continue their propaganda of promoting policies and people that are best for them. I watched booknotes on cspan this morning - do not remember the specific university cited - but the speaker said they did a study on public perceptions of news from the media. They found erroneous results - beliefs vs facts - 80% from fox, 50% from cnn, 25% from npr, and I cannot remember the percentage from newspapers. This to me explains greatly why Kerry is "electable" and Dean slipped so low in public perception in such a short time. They built Dean up, he threatened them, they tore him down. I found it interesting that the exit polls in new hampshire indicated that Dean had a higher percentage of well educated people voting for him than the other candidates.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-04 02:42 PM
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13. I appreciate many of his accomplishments
Many were bold and innovative.

But providing this level of care for 650,000 people and recreating the tax structure for education funding in a state that size is MUCH different than what he can accomplish for 300 million plus people.

Many if his fiscal accomplishments were done during the largest economic expansion in US history thereby making the poltical will to accomplish these programs a bit easier.

The numbers on child abuse and crime are again a bit stilted by the low crime rates of such a small state. If a state has 10 murders one year and only 8 the next, that is a reduction in crime by 20% but is NOT indicative that a NATION would accomplishthe same thins.

I am NOT sure of all the jobs created but also know that SOME jobs were created by developments wherein he met privately with business and locked out environmentalists.


I would love to see a link for all of your assertions along with a reference for supportive documentation. I am not saying I require this, I would simply like to see the hard numbers.



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frustrated_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-04 03:06 PM
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14. NSMA
Edited on Sat Feb-07-04 03:07 PM by frustrated_lefty
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-04 05:15 PM
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21. Thanks. Reading them all
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frustrated_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-04 05:47 PM
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23. Waiting for a response
I would genuinely like to hear your opinion. In the meantime, I still have yet to hear a criticism of Dean policy.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-04 03:54 PM
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15. Im right there with ya!
:toast:
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stuzzy Donating Member (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-04 03:59 PM
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17. Good post lefty....keep up the good work n/t
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frustrated_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-04 04:15 PM
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18. Bottom line is
he is the only candidate who will reshape America and give it hope.
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stuzzy Donating Member (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-04 04:19 PM
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19. I agree totally. n/t
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frustrated_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-04 04:59 PM
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20. Still waiting
for a substantive list?
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-04 05:29 PM
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22. OK
1) I voted for the IWR
2) I voted for the Patriot Act
3) I voted to keep Bushit's tax cuts to $350B.
4) I voted for NCLB.
5) I voted for the Homeland Security bill.


But hey, I'm an electable Democrat!
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