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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 05:38 PM
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thank you, Mr. Moyers ...
most of us are here to support Democrats ... some of us seem to believe, however, that there is no room to criticize Democrats when they deserve to be criticized ... one thing that must never be put up for sale is the government's obligation to represent the best interests of ALL the people instead of the "special" interests of big money and big corporations ...

Bill Moyers lays out a very ugly case about what has happened to our democracy ... he makes it painfully clear that both parties are to blame ... if our candidates for office are financed by "special" interests and lobbyists are allowed to bribe elected officials, the voice of the people will never be heard ... btw, the reference to "one of the most powerful Democrats" Moyers mentioned in his essay was Rahm Emanuel ...

the day after this next election, we should declare war on the money changers ... no person of either party playing this cruel hoax on the citizenry should be spared ... only a fool would believe that in accepting contributions from profit seekers, there is no quid pro quo ... you cannot serve two masters ... either the best interests of the people are put first or they are not ... the poisoning of our democracy by big money has got to end ...


source: http://www.commondreams.org/views06/1003-30.htm

Lincoln Weeps

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Once upon a time the House of Representatives was known as "the people's house." No more. It belongs to K Street now. That's the address of the lobbyists who swarm all over Capitol Hill. There are 65 lobbyists for every member of Congress. They spend $200 million per month wining, dining and seducing federal officials. Per month!

Of course they're just doing their job. It's impossible to commit bribery, legal or otherwise, unless someone's on the take, and with campaign costs soaring, our politicians always have their hands out. One representative confessed that members of Congress are the only people in the world expected to take large amounts of money from strangers and then act as if it has no effect on their behavior. This explains why Democrats are having a hard time exploiting the culture of corruption embodied in the scandalous behavior of DeLay and Abramoff. Democrats are themselves up to their necks in the sludge. Just the other day one of the most powerful Democrats in the House bragged to reporters about tapping "uncharted donor fields in the financial industry"—reminding them, not so subtlely, of the possibility that after November the majority leader just might be a Democrat.

When it comes to selling influence, both parties have defined deviancy up, and Tony Soprano himself couldn't get away with some of the things that pass for business as usual in Washington. We have now learned that Jack Abramoff had almost 500 contacts with the Bush White House over the three years before his fall, and that Karl Rove and other presidential staff were treated to his favors and often intervened on his behalf. So brazen a pirate would have been forced to walk the plank long ago if Washington had not thrown its moral compass overboard.

Alas, despite all these disclosures, nothing is happening to clean up the place. Just as the Republicans in charge of the House kept secret those dirty emails sent to young pages by Rep. Mark Foley—a cover-up aimed at getting them past the election and holding his seat for the party—they are now trying to sweep the DeLay-Abramoff-Reed-and-Norquist scandals under the rug until after Nov. 7, hoping the public at large doesn't notice that the House is being run by Tom DeLay's team, minus DeLay. All the talk about reform is placebo.

The only way to counter the power of organized money is with organized and outraged people. Believe me, what members of Congress fear most is a grassroots movement that demands clean elections and an end to the buying and selling of influence—or else! If we leave it to the powers that be to clean up the mess that greed and chicanery have given us, we will wake up one day with a real Frankenstein of a system—a monster worse than the one created by Abramoff, DeLay and their cronies. By then it will be too late to save Lincoln's hope for "government of, by, and for the people."


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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 05:41 PM
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1. If Corporations didn't have "person" status...
This so called "free speech" claim would be moot.

"Money talks" has got to stop!

http://reclaimdemocracy.org/personhood/
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 05:52 PM
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2. The DLC in particular won't much care for that critique.
Edited on Tue Oct-03-06 05:53 PM by Kurovski
However, I think its right on the money. So to speak.
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Pharaoh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 05:55 PM
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3. Horrific but true
Our democracy is a farce................


the day after this next election, we should declare war on the money changers ... no person of either party playing this cruel hoax on the citizenry should be spared ... only a fool would believe that in accepting contributions from profit seekers, there is no quid pro quo ... you cannot serve two masters ... either the best interests of the people are put first or they are not ... the poisoning of our democracy by big money has got to end ...


but why wait till after the election to declare war against the money changers?

K&R
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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 06:55 PM
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12. "why wait until after the election?"
here's my answer to that question ... if you disagree, i fully understand and respect that ...

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/welshTerrier2/99
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donkeyotay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 05:59 PM
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4. This is a much bigger story than Foley's
Like frogs warming in the pot, we seem incapable of focusing on the gradual loss of our freedom. Foley's folly is a sideshow, but the corruption of our system is something we are and will pay for dearly. It is much more important that the public understand the Abramoff story, but the media insists that we aren't interested, even as they do their part to make sure no one knows what it is that we aren't interested in. Moyer's is going to cover Abramoff tonight on PBS. Maybe if he did it naked people would watch.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 06:01 PM
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5. Better get this under control
Pretty soon there won't even be a pretense of "serving the people".
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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 06:09 PM
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6. Tomorrow Night-Bill Moyer's Citizen's Class
Are you an informed and engaged citizen? Bill Moyers returns to investigative journalism with MOYERS ON AMERICA, a series of three documentaries on issues affecting democracy — money in politics, the environment, and internet neutrality. You can connect, reflect, and respond to these hotly-debated topics by joining the MOYERS ON AMERICA Citizens Class. This national dialogue will take a hard look at some of today's most pressing issues and ask: What do you think?

The workshop offers multi-media discussion and reference material summarizing the key aspects of differing perspectives; posing questions for reflection, consideration and response; and stimulating a deep and thoughtful dialogue about the issues raised in the series. Tools available to help you organize a MOYERS ON AMERICA Citizens Class:

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/moyersonamerica/citizensclass.html
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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 06:43 PM
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10. Tomorrow night's show promises to be awesome: Christian right & Abramoff
& money flowing from Russian oil tycoons, and Ralph Reed scamming his 'fellow Christians' (Moyer's words) for millions.

I can't wait.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 06:16 PM
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7. Mr. Moyers, Sir
Makes a poor nostalgist....

He began, you may recall, as press flack for President Johnson, and thus knows perfectly well the degree of lobbying presence and corruption back a half century and more ago. It was, if anything, rawer and more open in those days, being conducted in un-marked bills from manila envelopes in office safes.

The fact of the matter is, the mind of man does not run to any time the moniker "the people's house" honestly could be applied to the House of Representatives....
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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 06:51 AM
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13. I suggest you do not participate in that case "Sir"
As is your privilege. If it meets with your approval, however, perhaps you shall permit those us who desire to do so, to view Mr. Moyer's show and enjoy his work. I suggest a half century is a long time and that I choose to to spend MY Wednesday night watching PBS. Enjoy yours.
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 06:21 PM
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8. Amen.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 06:23 PM
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9. But Moyers really claiming Lincoln didn't serve special interests?
I like Moyers. I like Lincoln. But neither is exactly a virgin in the politics racket.
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 06:48 PM
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11. K & R nm
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-04-06 09:05 AM
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14. The Neocons and Neodems have fought every grassroots movement...
....because they know the 'power of the people' would destroy them if they ever got enough momentum. Dean's efforts in this direction was put to rest by making him part of the 'establishment'. The corporate-sponsored politicians knew that the best way to stop Dean's grassroots movement was to put him in position where they could control him...after forcing him to promise that he wouldn't run for president.

In retrospect...every grassroots movement has had a smear campaign launched against them...with the help of corporate money and media...by both GOPers and (d)emocrats. They were very successful at derailing every effort by the people to take their government back.
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