Very few expect Hillary to be nominated in 08'.

[Clarkie1]

An interesting tidbit I thought I'd post. Now back to 06'...

Just 23% of Americans now believe that Senator Hillary Clinton is “very likely” to be the Democratic Presidential nominee in 2008, a decline of ten percentage points over the past year and a half. It’s also the lowest level ever recorded in more than three dozen Hillary Meter surveys dating back to April 2005.

If she is on the Presidential ballot in 2008, 39% of Americans say they would definitely vote against Senator Clinton. That’s up three points from 36% two weeks ago. Thirty-one percent (31%) say they would definitely vote for her, unchanged from the previous survey (see trends). In every edition of the Hillary Meter, a plurality of Americans have said they would definitely vote against her.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/2005/Hillary%20Meter.htm

[Bjorn Against]

1. Thanks for posting that

I have been telling people for a long time that there is no way in hell that Hillary will get the nomination, she is just too divisive. She does not just divide Republicans and Democrats either, she divides HER OWN PARTY. There are just too many Democrats who do not like her, she could never win the nomination for that reason.

The media seems to keep promoting her as the inevitable nominee and it drives me crazy, because they know the Republicans want her to be the nominee it seems they do not even want to talk about all the other potential candidates.

[clydefrand]

2. What does she do that makes her divisive?

[MannyGoldstein]

4. Speaking For Myself...

In her relentless persuit of the Golden Triangle she has embraced (and continues to embrace) the ruinous war in Iraq, "free trade", sponsored a bill to criminalize flag burning, the "Patriot" Act, the bankruptcy bill, and so forth. These moves have been ruinous to our civil rights and to the Middle Class.

She fled in terror from Feingold's censure resolution.

She is, far and away, the largest recipient of "big money" in Congress. Why? Because she delivers.

[Totally Committed]

5. Thank you.

I agree with you. PLUS she's a leader of the DLC.

Too many strikes and she's out for me!

TC

[A HERETIC I AM]

8. well, 1st of all, she is bright, articulate, well educated and a threat...

3 things that the right hates. Don't you know they abhor the "Intelligentsia"? She is, unfortunately, the embodiment of the very things they hate and more to the point, Americans prejudice shines through in those surveys. I doubt I would be wrong if I were to suggest Oprah ranks higher in a comparative poll. Why? Because Oprah isn't as much of a lightning rod. Mrs. Clinton has a law degree. That makes her, by definition an uppity woman.

She also, unfortunately has the Big Dog's last name. It is a shame, but that is too much baggage for many American voters.

Until such time as we Americans can get past the idea that a woman can be smart and have an opinion that actually matters, Mrs. Clinton does not stand a chance.

I like her but i think she is trying too hard to court the middle. I'd prefer Boxer or Pelosi. You don't see them running to the center too terribly much.

[Jai4WKC08]

19. She signs "Clinton" at the end of her signature

Seriously. Her name could be Mother Theresa Clinton, and approx 40% of the population would hate her. It isn't fair, but it is the way it is.

There are plenty of other politicians, in both parties, and certainly within the DLC, who triangulate and equivocate far more than HRC does, but they aren't hated the way she is. They don't have that large of a percentage of voters who say they wouldn't vote for them no matter what, and they don't have as many people willing to open their wallets for whoever seems to be working hardest against them.

Personally, I like and respect Hillary Clinton. I think she'd make a fairly good president, far better than any Republican and probably better than most of the Democrats who will run. But she can't get elected with that many people dead set against her before she even gets her campaign rolling.

[Double T]

3. '08 is a long way off. Hilliary has done a great job in NY and made......

admirers out of many of her former detractors. Hilliary will change a lot more 'minds' (aka 'people with brains') going forward; hopefully including the 'minds' of many of her detractors here on DU.

[MannyGoldstein]

6. What Has She Done That Was Great?

Other than raising an unprecedented warchest from the Predator Class?

I must be missing something.

[William769]

9. did you slepp through the 90's?

[MannyGoldstein]

12. I Don't Think So.

So we're agreed that she's been useless as a Senator, other than making for a nice prop at Sir Rupert's galas?

The '90s? All that comes to mind is her stint as a Wal-Mart Director, her deeply-flawed and unsuccessful crack at health care change, and the amusing "surprise" appearance of "missing" Whitewater records in her White House quarters - but perhaps you point out her successes.

[Double T]

14. Here you go MannyGoldstein........

All the issues with her position and actions: http://clinton.senate.gov/issues/index.cfm

[NOLADEM]

7. I pray every night she isn't nominated

And I am a lifelong Atheist.

I cannot stand her. She is a pandering jellyfish who voted for the war.

Please Hillary, just become a Senate leader when we regain the majority. You better serve us there.

If she runs, we will lose. Flat fact.

I know many Dems who won't go to the polls for her, their distaste is so strong.

I would have to swallow the puke in my mouth to pull it, myself.

We don't need an AIPAC DNC legacy candidate who seeks to show she has bigger balls thant the chimp every chance she gets by saying we should be doing more to destroy Iraq and our children.

Please, Hillary, DON'T RUN, JUST RUN AWAY!!!

Feingold 08.

[William769]

10. Much to do about nothing

When are you people going to get it through your heads SHE ISN'T RUNNING!

on edit: BTW Wes Clark has even a slimmer chance.

[A HERETIC I AM]

11. The expression is "Much ADO about nothing" and condescension does not

serve debate. Oops. I was a bit condescending there wasn't I?

[William769]

13. What else would I expect from you?

[A HERETIC I AM]

16. Not much since we recently broke up and you took my Stand Mixer

....oops...was that outloud?



sorry.

[William769]

18. In your dreams!

My taste in men is much better.

BTW I'm not conceded, I'm convinced.

[A HERETIC I AM]

21. But my taste in women isnt....

BTW...it's "Conceited" unless you do indeed "concede" - to acknowledge grudgingly or hesitantly.

Ok...enough snarkiness. Have a great day.

[Auntie Bush]

15. "BTW Wes Clark has even a slimmer chance" Why do you say that?

He's not out there yet. He's the one all the corp media and Thugs really fear...so they won't mention him for fear he'll get some attention. A lot of Rethugs have gotten to know him from Faux and I'll bet they will vote for someone who they believe has the expertise, knowledge and experience to do the best that can possibly be done in Iraq. If he can't...we are doomed especially if bush blunders into Iran.

I think this is the perfect time to have a General as president...and the military and their family will respect him. I personally believe he's the ONLY Democrat that could oust McCain.

Anyway, I hope you are wrong...but who knows...if the media treat him like they did last time...you may be right. :cry:

[jackbourassa]

17. I agree with William...Hillary won't run because she can't win!

She won't run...why? Because she CAN'T WIN.

I know...I know...We always get Hillary supporters on here explaining why she can. They say, "well people said she couldn't win in 2000 (her Senate seat), but she did by 12%", etc. etc. But don't forget that people said she couldn't win that Senate seat when she was facing Rudy Guilliani - NOT RICK LAZIO.

Hillary consistently "WINS" with LESS support than other Democrats in VERY DEMOCRATIC New York.

Hillary won her OPEN Senate race by FAR LESS, against a young and inept GOP candidate, than Gore carried the state against Bush.

People mention how Hillary is "winning over" conservative upstate New York...because she LOST by only a point or two...well, BOTH Gore and Kerry WON those same upstate districts.

Chuck Shumer, then a ONE-TERM Senator, WON his 2004 re-election bid by nearly 40%. That was in a year when the Republicans won the Presidency, House and picked up 4 Senate seats. Will Hillary, in the exact same position this year except the Democrats are expected to win big, win by similar margins? I SERIOUSLY DOUBT IT!

In fact, will Hillary win New York by as much as Elliot Spitzer this year? I DOUBT THAT AS WELL.

So yes, she can win in New York. So could a monkey with a "D" beside his name...

Can she win in Virginia? Louisiana? Florida? Ohio? Montana? Nevada? Arizona?

I don't think she can take EVEN ONE of those states! That's before the Republican deluge against her begins...

Which brings me to my point:

HILLARY WON'T RUN, because SHE CAN'T WIN!!! And Hillary Clinton is in a pretty good political position right now. If she declines to run, it would bode well for her within the Senate. She will be seen as having sacrificed her own ambitions for the good of the party!

If she DOES RUN - and LOSES THE NOMINATION (which is ENTIRELY possible BTW), her role as "Democratic leader" will be FINISHED. She will just be the junior Senator from New York.

If she WINS THE NOMINATION - but LOSES THE GENERAL - she will forever be blamed as the SPOILER of one of our best chances to retake the Presidency after an unpopular Republican President. She won't win any points for "moral victories" either...

If she loses by a little, people will say we could have won if we had nominated someone else.

If she loses by a lot, she will be the new McGovern.

After all of that...assuming she wins the Presidency (which I seriously doubt)...what will she do about Iraq? How long will it take before Bush's war turns into Hillary's war (like Vietnam went from Johnson's war to Nixon's war).

And the Democrats are right back where we started?

With Hillary as nominee...we HAVE NO CHANCE!!! None whatsoever.

[WCGreen]

20. Hillary won't run because her long term goal is to be the

majority leader of the Senate...