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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 06:12 AM
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Seriously, is there a group of people out there NOT offended yet by Allen?
You know, I realize that Chewing tobacco at least is not as offense as cigerette smoke where those nearby don't have to breathe in the fumes. But geez, couldn't Allen try to not hit people with his spit. Personally I find it offensive! I do not want something laden with tobacco juice and saliva spittled at me - absolutely gross!


Now women have gotten their share of abuse from Allen:
http://www.swingstateproject.com/2006/09/vasen_say_hello.php

VA-Sen: Say Hello to Spitgate
Posted by James L.

First it was Macacagate. Then it was Deerheadgate, and, uh, Rugbygate. The slow drip of questions surrounding George Allen's racist past have turned into an all-out deluge this week with witness after witness stepping out of the woodwork and revealing more incidents of Allen's legacy of racism.

But forget about all that stuff for a moment. Lost in the shuffle of these explosive revelations is another one of Allen's nasty habits that speaks volumes to his character: George Allen likes to spit on women's feet. It sounds ridiculous, I know, but bear with me and say hello to Spitgate.

First, check out this Dailykos diary posted by a former writer for a Southwest Virginia newspaper to set the mood (emphasis added):

Mr. Allen visited our town to announce a major contract for the local defense plant. I was there because my editor had sent me. <...>

Governor Allen rode up in a big recreational vehicle. He looked so tall as he came out of the house-on-wheels. He was wearing a nice suit and his hair was neatly combed. He smiled and worked his way into the platoon of defense workers, who seemed to be all men. I looked around and realized I was the only female standing on the pavement in the sunshine. How about that?

I listened to what the governor was saying. My editor had told me Mr. Allen would talk about jobs and how wonderful this new defense contract was. I listened carefully, but the governor did not say a word about jobs. Instead, he made a few jokes with the workers, then he pulled a small, flat can from his jacket pocket. He asked if anybody else "dipped." One of the workers said yes, he dipped, but not the same brand, and all the men laughed.

Mr. Allen used his fingers to pinch out a clump of the finely chopped tobacco; he mashed it into his mouth and grinned, licking his lips. His bottom lip pooched out where he had lodged the tobacco. The other men chuckled like they were having a grand time.

Then the governor walked toward a building with some men who were not part of the platoon of workers. These other men were clearly Important; they wore suits. One of the suits had already told me I was not allowed to go into the building because a defense plant has Secrets.

I followed along as the governor walked, waiting to hear him say something about jobs. The situation began to look as if I would have to return to the newspaper office without hearing him say anything about "our fine workers." I didn't understand; I had to ask a question.

I stepped near the governor and smiled, told him my name and that I wrote for the local newspaper. Then I asked him a softball question, what some reporters call a "set-up."

"Does Southwest Virginia need these jobs?" I asked.

He stopped and looked straight at me. He had to look down at me, because he stood so tall in those cowboy boots. I thought I spotted a twinkle in his eye, and for a moment, I suspected he might give a humorous, light-hearted answer. Then he leaned forward and looked all the way down at the pavement. I figured he was planning a perfectly crafted answer to my question. I put pen to paper, ready to take it down. His lips puckered as if he might speak.

Then, the Governor of the Commonwealth of Virginia gathered up a glob of tobacco-laced saliva. He used his lips to squirt it out, as if he had practiced. The spit landed just at the tip of my shoe. He grinned, but didn't say a word. Then he walked into the building.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 06:22 AM
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1. Oh yeah, many good ole' boys here in da South!
However, they are becoming quickly outnumbered by the more enlightened mix of people within the Northern Virginia Area. Thank Heavens! :-)
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carolinayellowdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 06:38 AM
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3. Northern VA is not the only "blue" area
People from NoVA in various political fora scorn the rest of the state as a bunch of rednecks and pat themselves on the back for being so much more enlightened. That is getting very tiresome to me. In the last gubernatorial election, most of Hampton Roads went Kaine; so did almost all the independent cities in Western VA: Roanoke, Lynchburg, Danville, Martinsville, Blacksburg, Staunton, Radford, Lexington. The red/blue divide in the state is urban/rural, NOT north/south or east/west. (Suburbia varies, with Richmond suburbs the reddest.) NoVA is bluer because it's more urban, but urban areas statewide are also generally blue.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 08:00 AM
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4. Just like Dean wants democrats to campaign in all 50 states
Our candidates need to campaign in every county in their state. To assume just because a county is rural and supposively 'redneck', 'red-state' doesn't mean that we should skip campaigning there. I think one of the key's to PA Govenor Ed Rendell's success was that he campaigned in all 67 counties of Pennsylvania. Sure, he wasn't going to win like 75% of those counties, but he needed to stay close enough in the race in order to help maintain his lead he was getting from the Urban area!
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 11:26 AM
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8. Charlottesville is as blue as the bluest state
And an extremely liberal city.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 02:39 PM
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12. Thank you for making me smart..
Edited on Fri Sep-29-06 02:40 PM by ShortnFiery
I'm from the South West of the USA (most of my Adult Life) and will freely admit that I do not keep track of Virginia other than NoVA and those parts a little more south, i.e., rural.

Thanks for giving US a more accurate picture of true "patches of blue" within our Great State of Virginia. :applause: :hi:
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carolinayellowdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 05:31 PM
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13. Thank YOU for accepting my comments graciously
It's not DU so much as various other fora like DailyKos, but the anti-Southern rhetoric of liberals really hits home when it comes from the other end of one's own state. I live in Danville now (my DU moniker came from a previous address) and can assure you that whatever the rest of the state does, Webb will carry our fair city.
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magnolia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 08:14 AM
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5. Oddly enough he has offended his redneck base...
Edited on Fri Sep-29-06 08:18 AM by magnolia
...the most and they are speaking out. He has denounced their precious confederate flag. I can't wait to hear him try to apologize for denouncing their flag, while still denouncing it. If they ever make a movie of George Allen's 2006 Senate run, it will have to be a comedy, starring Will Ferrell.

His negative TV Ads go to left of Jim Webb! His attempt to portray Webb as anti-women by digging up 27 year old stuff has totally offended those in his base who regret having given women the vote. (Even Ann Coulter has said that women shouldn't be allowed to vote.)

Allen has accused Webb of being racist, anti-women, anti-semetic, homophobic...which of course, is a perfect description of his base!
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 10:03 AM
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7. That's what I was going to say
Confederate group turns on senator
September 29, 2006

RICHMOND, Va. -- Sen. George Allen's use of the word "macaca" for a young man of Indian descent forced him to spend the past six weeks disputing claims that his past is littered with racist language and a fondness for Confederate symbols.

On Thursday, the furor came full circle when the Sons of Confederate Veterans turned on Allen.

The organization criticized the Republican for saying he had been slow to grasp the pain that Old South symbols like the Confederate flag cause black people.

"The denunciation of the flag to score political points is anathema to our organization," Brag Bowling, immediate past state commander of the SCV, told reporters near the state Capitol, once the Confederacy's seat of government.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/nation/76843,CST-NWS-virg29.article
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 06:32 AM
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2. Absolutely
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 09:57 AM
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6. But wait, there's more
These folks love him even more:

http://www.kkkoutlet.com/
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 12:43 PM
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11. I think he lost some of them when they found out....
about his Jewish connection.

Fundy wacko KKK Nazi Christian types subscribe to the same belief most Orthodox and Conservative Jewish authorities adhere to: According to most Orthodox and Conservative authorities, a Jew is a person who has a Jewish mother, or who converted to Judaism under appropriate rabbinic authority.
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 11:30 AM
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9. I don't think he's offended the Dutch or the Estonians yet.
but I'm sure he's working on it.
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Lurking Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 11:59 AM
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10. yup
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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 06:51 PM
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14. kick and nom :) nt
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Spirochete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 01:21 AM
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15. Eskimos, perhaps...
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-30-06 06:07 AM
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16. He's offended me, from 3000 miles away!
When he acts like there's something to be ashamed of in having a Jewish mother, he's insulting MY mother!!!!!!

When he calls a student of Indian descent "macaca", he's insulting quite a few of my own students (and anyone who knows me is aware that insulting my students in my presence is not generally the safest thing to do!)

I can't believe he was considered as a candidate for president - hope that doesn't happen!
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