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jokerman93 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 03:46 PM
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Could someone explain why Kerry called for Tenet's Resignation?
Sorry, could someone explain to me on what legitimate grounds Kerry called for Tenet's resignation?

Is there a suggestion anywhere that the CIA failed to deliver authentic intelligence and analysis?

The operative word here is "authentic".

Why is this whole debate missing a hard lock on the one central fact that George Bush made the decision to go to war in Iraq. He is responsible. Whether he knew he was going to war on the day he entered the oval office, or whether he carefully decided the invasion after reviewing his so-called "intelligence". Any way yo look at it, it was Field Commander Gourd-crotch who lit that fatty and took a long hard drag when everyone but his butt-buddies were telling him it was a REALLY bad idea.

Accountability anyone?

(I posted this in another thread, but it got missed. I'd like to hear the rational.)
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Carl Spackler Donating Member (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 03:47 PM
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1. because it will get him in the news looking "presidential"
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GalleryGod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 07:35 PM
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26. As I tell my College Sophomores: Pol Sci 203
Look it up yourself and TELL us!
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 03:49 PM
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2. Because it knocks one more boogeyman out of the way
to get to Bush and Cheney.

In addition to which, intelligence issues lingering from 9/11 are enough to call for Tenet's head. He is incompetent.
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jokerman93 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 03:50 PM
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3. If the reasons are all as specious as that
If the reasons are really all as specious as that, it casts a serious pall of doubt on Kerry (for me anyway).
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 03:51 PM
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6. And your nonspecious highly reasoned answer is??????
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 07:36 PM
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einniv Donating Member (260 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 03:50 PM
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4. Seems like foolishness to me.
But then he did vote for the war resolution so he can't exactly be shouting that the intel was good because that would imply that he "cooked" the threat too?
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 09:22 PM
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28. Kerry forced Tenet to either resign or defend his agency and the
intelligence they provided. He defended his agency and detailed the information he supplied to the administration. Kerry is taking Bush's fall guy out of the equation.....leaving Bush and his neocon PNAC players clearly in the open to charges they distorted and politicized the information to fit their agenda....rather brilliant chess playing on Kerry's part.

Bush lied, 10,000+ people died.
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HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 03:50 PM
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5. So he won't have to
take personal responsibility for the decision he made.
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BeatleBoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 03:53 PM
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7. LINK?
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Frances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 03:55 PM
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8. Because Tenet was head of the CIA
when 9/11 occurred and because Tenet was head of CIA when Bush went to war.

Either Tenet was incompetent OR Tenet was competent and did not stand up to Bush.

I for one do not want Tenet as head of the CIA in either case.
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HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 03:58 PM
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12. You left out a possibility
Tenet was competent and the senate failed to stand up to Bush.
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jokerman93 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 03:59 PM
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14. I certainly have no love for Tenet
Edited on Fri Feb-06-04 04:01 PM by jokerman2004
I certainly have no love for Tenet either, but calling for his resignation creates a diversion from the true accountability. If Tenet is incompetent, his incompetence has served Bush. If Tenet was a collaborator, his collaboration has served Bush.

The President makes the calls. That's what he gets "elected" to do.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 06:13 PM
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22. The President makes the calls. That's what he gets "elected" to do.

So the president should take charge. If he doesn't, others will likely step up and take it from him.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 09:29 PM
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29. Or Bush/Tenet have serious incriminating evidence on each other?
I've wondered why a Clinton appointee like Tenet was not scapegoated for 9/11. Wouldn't that have been the obvious Rovian play on the event? Instead, George said he had total confidence in George's running of CIA.

2 years later, the WH tries to pin the blame the WMD gambit on bad intel, but again Dimson doesn't fire Tenet...rather odd, isn't it?

I think there's much to the two stories that we don't know...yet.
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KC21304 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 03:57 PM
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9. If Tenet gave Bush good intelligence and Bush ignored it
Tenet should have blew the whistle right away. If Tenet gave Bush bad intelligence he should be fired. Either way he should go.
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HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 03:59 PM
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13. And what if
Tenet gave the senate good intelligence?
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KC21304 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 04:27 PM
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17. Then he should have blew the whistle on both the Senate and Bush.
Edited on Fri Feb-06-04 04:30 PM by Kerryfan
but that isn't what he is saying now, is it? He is saying he did give them good intelligence, but we know that if he is telling the truth now, he wasn't telling the truth then. Good bye George.
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sleipnir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 03:57 PM
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10. Opportunity knocks and Kerry answers.
He has answered that door since day one, and will do it if he gets the nomination.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 03:58 PM
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11. Dean was first to call for it . Followed by Lieberman

Kerry Says Bush Lacks Viable Security Plan
July 17, 2003
New York Times

"Let me state it plainly," said Mr. Kerry, a Democratic presidential contender. "Just as we did not have a viable plan for Iraq after the capture of Baghdad, today we still do not have a real plan and enough resources for preparedness against a terrorist attack."

It was among the sterner rebukes of Mr. Bush so far by a Democratic candidate on the topic of national security, and it came in a week in which nearly all the Democratic prospects have been attacking the president on the issue. Senator Joseph I. Lieberman of Connecticut called today for the resignation of George J. Tenet, the director of central intelligence, following in the footsteps of Howard Dean, the former governor of Vermont, who made a similar demand on Sunday.

Mr. Kerry leveled fresh accusations that the administration had not been forthcoming in its policies about Iraq, particularly in its efforts to promote the war. "It is clear that a dangerous gap in credibility has developed between President Bush's tough rhetoric and timid policies which don't do nearly enough to protect Americans from danger," he said. Mr. Kerry said the president had purposefully stalled the investigation into the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks and suggested, ungently, that he "get out of the way."

"It's time we were told the truth about America's safety," he said. "It's time we had a president who will truly make this nation more secure."
http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/clips/news_2003_0717a.html


Kerry Statement on the allegation that CIA Director Admitted White House Pressure on Intelligence Info
July 17, 2003

Democratic Presidential candidate John Kerry today responded to allegations announced this morning by US Senator Richard Durbin that CIA Director George Tenet admitted that an unnamed White House official pressured the CIA to allow unverified nuclear claims to be included in the State of the Union.

John Kerry said, “It’s deeply troubling, but not altogether surprising, to learn that there may have been direct political pressure exerted on the CIA to exaggerate nuclear claims in the President’s state of the union address. This is just more evidence that, as I said yesterday, President Bush must support a full and independent investigation so that the American people know the full truth about what happened.”

The Associated Press reported this morning: “CIA Director George Tenet told members of Congress a White House official insisted that President Bush's State of the Union address include an assertion about Saddam Hussein's nuclear intentions that had not been verified, a Senate Intelligence Committee member said Thursday. Sen. Dick Durbin, who was present for a 4.5-hour appearance by Tenet behind closed doors with Intelligence Committee members Wednesday, said Tenet named the official. But the Illinois Democrat said that person's identity could not be revealed because of the confidentiality of the proceedings.”
http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/releases/pr_2003_0717.html


Can you tell me why Tenent didn't resign then? He admitted that the CIA had helped include the phony info in the SOTU. Why wasn't anyone fired?


Statement from John Kerry on CIA Director George Tenet’s Speech at Georgetown University

February 05, 2004

“Today, the CIA Director, George Tenet, admitted that the intelligence agencies never told the White House that Iraq posed an imminent threat. But that’s not what the Bush White House told the American people. They said Iraq posed a ‘mortal threat,’ an ‘urgent threat,’ an ‘immediate threat,’ a ‘serious threat,’ and, yes, an ‘imminent threat’ to the people of the United States.

“Today, we found out that George Bush, Dick Cheney, Don Rumsfeld, and the rest of the Administration weren’t passing on sound facts on Iraq to the American people - they were playing politics with our national security.

“Americans should be able to trust that what the President tells them is true - especially when it comes to the life and death decisions of war and peace.

“We need to restore America’s credibility around the world and the trust of the American people in their government at home. That’s not going to happen with a sham commission hand-picked by George Bush to look into how these faulty facts on Iraq made it to the American people. It’s not going to happen while the Bush White House continues its stalling and stonewalling. What we need is for this President to take responsibility - to face the truth - and to finally tell the truth to the American people. And we need that now.”
http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/releases/pr_2004_0205f.html



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cindyw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 06:07 PM
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21. I'm beginning to think that
Dean supporters pay more attention to Kerry than they do Dean. I can't tell you how many times in the last week I have seen Dean supporters criticize Kerry for something that Dean was also doing or saying.
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Casablanca Donating Member (549 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 04:07 PM
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15. Do any of them know that they're playing into the Bush admin's hands?
George Tenet is the only carryover from the Clinton administration, and as such is the convenient blame target whenever they need to whip out the "intelligence failure" defense. Tenet standing up for the CIA on this issue is a rare act of courage against the Bush regime, and a necessary criticism of their credibility.

Really disappointed in Dean on this one.
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jokerman93 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 04:20 PM
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16. Precisely my concern n/t
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 04:57 PM
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18. it seems to me that if the CIC says he got bad intelligence
then he should fire the guy who gave it to him...

Bush can't have it both ways - he can't accuse an organization of incompetence and let the head of that organization keep his job.

Kerry is just pointing this out to him...
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edzontar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 05:17 PM
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19. I think Kerry is in bad faith on this one....
He supported the war and quite possibly sees this as an opportunity to shift the blame to "bad intelligence" in na Bush-like effort to excuse his culpability in this matter.

It won't work.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 05:29 PM
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20. Because Tenet is covering up for GWB and he needs pressure put on him so
he will come forward w the truth.
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 06:25 PM
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23. because bush wants to place the blame on tenet
why is kerry always supporting bush?
it really sucks how he does that.
i mean really -
2000 election, iraq, patriot act, no child left, tenet..
BLEH!
why is he even running against bush? he must love him, i dont get it.

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remfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 07:25 PM
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24. Well, the bush administration suggested the CIA failed
but of course they don't want Tenet to resign, they just want to further discredit the agency.

I don't honestly know why Kerry would call for Tenet's resignation, unless he's just trying to force bush's hand. Like you, I firmly believe bush is ultimately responsible (though I firmly believe Dick Cheney is the bastard that is responsible for the policy), and if bush were a responsible person, he wouldn't say that the intel was faulty, and then keep the man responsible (Tenet) on the job.

bush is trying to have it both ways, and maybe Kerry is trying to force him to say the CIA is/isn't responsible, or to force bush to protect Tenet the way he did after 9/11 when Senator Shelby was calling for Tenet's resignation.

I don't really know, except I do know that what politicians say often means something else entirely.

If others were to join in calling for his resignation, it might force Tenet out, bush might have to cut him lose just to keep the controversy quiet. How would the agency respond to that? How would Tenet respond?

I think what's happening here is more politically motivated on Kerry's part than it is an outright call for Tenet's resignation. My guess is Kerry believes the same thing you and I do, and that he's just trying to get bush backed into a corner, or maybe he's trying to get Tenet to distance himself from bush.

Politics can be quite subtle, and it's always best to look beyond the mere words, and look for the motives of the speaker & the effects the words might have.
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jpgpenn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 07:30 PM
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25. Kerry has shown he will defend *Bush
Remember the deserter comments by Michael Moore. kerry called them "over the top". here he finds no problem shooting the innocent and letting the criminal roam at larger!

Kerry as pres. is a scarey thing for me!
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Upfront Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 09:32 PM
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30. Because
that puts the blame on the CIA and not B###. Tell you something?
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revcarol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 09:43 PM
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31. If anyone is serious about this, WHY no mention of OSP?
Tenet could have to resign because he didn't fight OSP, if ANYONE would ever mention it.
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