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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 09:30 AM
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Edwards: I worked on the Patriot act - press release (+ campaign lit)
Edited on Fri Feb-06-04 09:31 AM by robbedvoter

"http://edwards.senate.gov/press/2001/oct26-pr.html
October 26, 2001
WASHINGTON-The Senate on Thursday passed a sweeping antiterrorism bill that expanded the wiretapping and electronic surveillance authority of the FBI and imposed stronger penalties for harboring or bankrolling terrorists.
"This will strengthen our nation's ability to prevent future terrorist attacks," said Senator John Edwards, who worked on the legislation as a member of the Judiciary Committee and the Select Committee on Intelligence.

This is a clip from a debate that one would find embarrassing, but not Edwards. he included it in his campaign materials - check the link


Patriot Act is being abused by the Attorney General
Q: The PATRIOT Act is two years old. There has been criticism of John Ashcroft for enforcement of legislation you authored. Shouldn't those who wrote the legislation take responsibility?
EDWARDS: There are provisions, which get no attention, which did good things. The reason we need changes is because it gave too much discretion to an attorney general who does not deserve it. The attorney general told us that he would not abuse his discretion. He has abused his discretion. We know that now.
Source: Democratic Presidential 2004 Primary Debate in Detroit Oct 27, 2003
http://www.issues2000.org/2004/John_Edwards_Civil_Rights.htm

Also, Ireland is a reputable journalist and, in spite of what Edwards thinks, 9.11 does NOT justify going in Iraq (OBL is NOT Saddam, John)

Debate
"Can I just go back a moment ago -- to a question you asked just a moment ago? You asked, I believe, Senator Kerry earlier whether there's an exaggeration of the threat of the war on terrorism.
"It's just hard for me to see how you can say there's an exaggeration when thousands of people lost their lives on September the 11th."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/transcripts/debatetranscript29.html
comments MI:
http://www.moderateindependent.com/v2i2scdebate.htm
That was completely absurd and a huge moment in this debate.  Edwards, whose weakest point already is his lack of gravitas and foreign policy credentials, now said flat out that he is incapable of understanding that, despite the fact that 9/11 occurred, the President could still have lied and exaggerated.
What does one have to do with the other?  The answer is nothing.
To stand there and assert that you can't say, "there's an exaggeration when thousands of people lost their lives," is to buy into the most basic lies of the Bush administration.  It is the sort of thing the amoral puppets at FOX News assert.
9/11 occurring did not make Saddam have WMDs, and if the President exaggerated, as the Carnegie Report detailed him and his administration doing, then he exaggerated, regardless of what else happened.  There is no connection, and no useful presidential candidate would ever assert that allowing the slaughter of American people somehow means that it is impossible for lying to exist.  What is the connection?
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isbister Donating Member (902 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 09:34 AM
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1. "There are provisions
Edited on Fri Feb-06-04 09:34 AM by isbister
which get no attention, which did good things." Edwards is right.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 09:36 AM
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4. I don't think that excuses
the parts that allow citizens rights to be abused.
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LiberalBushFan Donating Member (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 09:37 AM
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5. You're saying that since since he put some good things in it
we should excuse him for the rest of it?
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corporatewhore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 09:41 AM
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8. Yes and who cares if Arab Americans are tortured and denied human rights
and a trial (they were probably evil terrorists any way because well arab)
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 09:45 AM
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11. What is the current figure on the people Asscroft is holding?
anyone know?
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 09:35 AM
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2. Edwards will not stand up to scrutiny
So lets get on with it.
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LiberalBushFan Donating Member (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 09:36 AM
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3. Edwards supporters almost convinced me when they said
"Edwards did not write any of Patriot Act. It's a lie so stop repeating it." I should be more skeptical from now on.
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 09:44 AM
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10. yep, me too. Thanks robbedvoter for providing the link
Edwards may not have drafted the PA, but he worked on it and thought it:

<< This will strengthen our nation's ability to prevent future terrorist attacks," said Senator John Edwards, who worked on the legislation as a member of the Judiciary Committee and the Select Committee on Intelligence.>>
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markus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 10:02 AM
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15. He was also allowed an advance copy to read before he voted on it
which the majority of his colleagues were denied.

His pro-Patriot, pro-anything-the-Pentagon-wants-is-good Pollyanna views are unacceptable.

I would support him in the general in the sense he would do less damage to our nation than another Bush Administration, but that's about the kindest thing I can find to say about him on national security matters.

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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 10:22 AM
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18. Feingold on the bill:
I agree with Senator Allen. I believe that one of the most important
duties of this Congress is in responding to the terrible events of
September 11, in order to protect our civil liberties, which, of
course, derive from our Constitution. That is why I am pleased that we
did not take the Attorney General's advice to enact an anti-terrorism
bill immediately without any deliberation or negotiation. I commend
Senator Leahy for all his efforts to improve this bill. It is certainly
a better and more comprehensive bill than the one the administration
originally proposed. I think even the administration recognizes that.


He's the biggest critic of the bill, and even he says something that isn't dramatically different than the point Edwards is trying to make.

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corporatewhore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 09:39 AM
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6. We have to keep in mind theoldschool conservatives who hate bush for this
No self respecting small gov't wanting big centralised federal gov't loathing conservative can approve of the patriot act.I worked with them hand in hand this summer to get an anti patriot act res here in austin.they are fucking pissed at bush for this.this is one issue if we were smart we could use this as a defining issue but what do we do? jump on the bandwagon of the two people who are pro patriot act.Ay crumba!!
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edzontar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 09:39 AM
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7. That lowers Edwards about twenty notches in my book....
Edited on Fri Feb-06-04 10:04 AM by edzontar
To the basement along with Kerry, the other war-voter.
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colonel odis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 09:42 AM
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9. then i hope you enjoy bush's second term
cause those are the only two who stand a remote chance of beating w.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 09:47 AM
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12. only by design
People want change now, they are just being misled a little that their candidate means change on large issues when mainly its on smaller ones.
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edzontar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 10:05 AM
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16. Whatever. I guess winning (or claiming to be ABLE to win) is more ...
Important than standing up for our freedoms.
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corporatewhore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 12:04 PM
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25. Again i ask what about the conservatives who hate bush because of
the patriot act.No self respecting small gov't wanting big centralised federal gov't loathing conservative can approve of the patriot act.I worked with them hand in hand this summer to get an anti patriot act res here in austin.they are fucking pissed at bush for this.this is one issue if we were smart we could use this as a defining issue but what do we do? jump on the bandwagon of the two people who are pro patriot act.Ay crumba!!
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LuminousX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 09:51 AM
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13. Too Much Trust
Patriot Act is being abused by the Attorney General
Q: The PATRIOT Act is two years old. There has been criticism of John Ashcroft for enforcement of legislation you authored. Shouldn't those who wrote the legislation take responsibility?
EDWARDS: There are provisions, which get no attention, which did good things. The reason we need changes is because it gave too much discretion to an attorney general who does not deserve it. The attorney general told us that he would not abuse his discretion. He has abused his discretion. We know that now.


Never hand a person a gun and expect them NOT to use it.
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corporatewhore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 09:52 AM
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14. Is he really honestly that Stupid?
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LuminousX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 11:58 AM
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21. I don't think it is stupidity
I think these Senators put too much trust in Ashcroft because he used to be one of them.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 10:10 AM
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17. Lie #1. Edwards co-wrote the Patriot Act.
Truth : Edwards was on the committee that wrote the Patriot Act, but the only portion of it that he was responsible for was the sunset provision which called for the Patriot Act to end, which is why Bush is now having to ask for the Patriot Act to be renewed. Read his floor statement at http://www.cdt.org/security/011011senate.txt to find out the portions of the bill that are good for America that he supports, and his advocacy for the sunset provision.
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HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 10:40 AM
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19. It's not that bad
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corporatewhore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 12:01 PM
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22. yep not bad all those Arab Americans who are being jailed tortured w/o
a trial are probably evil cave dwelling terrorists and will we ever really miss the bill of rights-the defining princeples which made america, america?
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colonel odis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 11:53 AM
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20. many believe the patriot act was written before 9/11
i guess that would make edwards either a part of that conspiracy or he went along.

a lot of things were done post 9/11 that are regrettable. that's why bush knew he could shove a lot of things through at that time.

but does anyone really think edwards is party to the crap that ashcroft & co. is using against us?
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HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 12:02 PM
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23. "many believe the patriot act was written before 9/11"
Sure. A lot of people believe things that are simply wrong.
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colonel odis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 04:48 PM
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26. didn't say i believe it.
but we can beat on edwards, kerry, dean, and clark all day long. how many of them do you think could actually win the white house?

the goal is to beat bush. period. unless you don't mind the thought of being drafted.
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LuminousX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 12:02 PM
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24. He only shares the same guilt as every person who voted for
that tripe.

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jpgpenn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 07:17 PM
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28. This is so true!
:puke:
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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-04 04:52 PM
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27. Edwards is trying to stop abuses of it. Have you watched the debates?
I think we will see an end to it under either a Kucinich or an Edwards presidency. Edwards learns fast.
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