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wordpix2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 09:37 PM
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I just had it out with my Ivy-educated conservative brother about the war
had dinner with him and his super conservative wife who give to Repug causes and asked them:

1) Where is bin Laden and why are we in Iraq? His wife's reply: it doesn't matter where bin Laden is {!} and my bro said we must look at Iraq as part of the broader war on terror against radical Islamists.

I countered that Iraq had nothing to do with 911 and I still don't know why we went there, except for oil and BushCo thought it would be an easy target. I kept saying, whatever happened to finding and killing bin Laden, why did Bush outsource his capture to the Afghan warlords at Tora Bora, and why are we in Iraq when it was bin Laden who perpetrated 911? My bro and his wife had no good response.

2) I asked them why the Bush twins weren't fighting in Iraq, if it was so important to the pResident. I asked if they (bro and wife) would send their own young grown up kids (3 bright, college educated, beautiful young women (2 are new mothers) and a young man with everything going for them) to fight in Iraq. My bro and his wife said that was a ridiculous question because this is a volunteer US army and there is no draft and that's a good thing. I asked if they thought it was fair and right that our "volunteers" are required to do 3 tours of duty and they said, that's what these "volunteers" signed up for.

3) I brought up a recent proposal that's being floated (as in, trial balloon) by some East Coast land trusts and farmland preservation groups. This is to preserve farmland, not just for clean air, water, open space and fresh food, but also for Food Security Zones. That is, there is still some significant farmland left within 1 hr's drive of places like NYC, Baltimore, DC and so on. What if there is a disaster like food contamination caused by terrorism, or the price of oil is so high that it impacts the cost of food in a major way? Isn't it wise to have a Food Security Area within an hour of a major city, in order to be prepared?

My bro's wife said, "If the cost of gas or diesel is high, wealthy people will still be able to buy food." I said it's true some people would still be able to afford it but what about the rest? There would be mass riots and looting for food and anything else of value. My bro said it if got to that point, Food Security Areas wouldn't help but storing food and oil would. I said, we don't have space to store enough oil to keep us out of a terrible situation like that for long and my bro said we have plenty of oil---two months' worth for the whole country!!! I said that's not enough to last us through the winter so we'd better get better prepared that that.

My impression was that neither my bro or his wife had thought very deeply about any of these things. I think they're floating in a comfortable bubble of Bushco conservative Koolaid. We really have to burst the repug bubble in '06.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 09:39 PM
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 09:43 PM
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4. Post 'em quick, Matttt...yer outta here!
You could have at least TRIED to pretend you're intelligent!
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 09:44 PM
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5. Oh you are such a clever DUDE.
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kaygore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 09:44 PM
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6. Gosh, what nonsense is this? It is as if you are channeling Ann Coulter
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 09:56 PM
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9. No, matttt just keeps posting the same thing over and over
Maybe he's an automated program.
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Maccagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 09:54 PM
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8. An awful lot of effort went into that
Edited on Thu Aug-24-06 10:12 PM by Maccagirl
idiotic pack of lies. Go watch the "Speed Network" and chill.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 10:01 PM
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10. Aw jeez. You again...
:boring:
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texanwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 09:42 PM
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2. I understand.
I just had it out with my republican sister and brother-in-law, it was not pretty.

I tried not to say anything because this was the only time of the year I am around them, my Mother's birthday.

They started out trashing Democrats and saying all the lies about Iraq and I told them off.

I feel better for doing it.

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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 09:43 PM
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3. I hope the meal was decent....I don't know if I could have not lost my
mind...

Here is what is going to have to happen...Just as many of the Rich in the Gulf Coast did and in New York...when they lose all of their shit and they don't have anything but the clothes on their backs....and there is no one to come rescue their asses because "their" president ruined all of the Government organizations that could have helped...then they will wake up....

It's going to happen..and when it does....their perfect world that they have been drinking the kool-aid will fall apart...

The draft may come..especially if they are calling soldiers back who have been out.....Inactive Reserve...
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 09:45 PM
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7. Your brother sounds like a real piece of work. Arrogance and ignorance
at its finest. Did he buy his degree like Dubya did too?
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VLC98 Donating Member (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-25-06 08:46 AM
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11. I was thinking just plain selfish. nt
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-25-06 10:39 AM
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12. I mean no offense to your brother, but having said that...
repubs that wish to continue to life in this self centered universe are in for a gigantic rude awaking very soon.

The logical follow up question after he stated that we have enough food and oil for two months should have been: then what happens? Even the wealthy will still need to eat. And when money becomes worthless due to rapid inflation, then what? The have-mores are preparing, they know what's going on, but the haves, (the people that are wealthy on paper but not in liquidity) are not preparing and will be in very deep deep shit. Because other than spending themselves into debt, they don't have basic community contributing skills.

If we don't get back the house or the senate or both in november, we are in for some truly scary ass times again. We can still put the brakes on this mess, but if people like your brother and his wife continue to support this pollyanna-ish state of being, we are in very deep shit.

The image of the French in indo-china around 1959 comes to mind.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-25-06 11:42 AM
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13. Free gratuitous-brand advice for your brother
Take all the money from your tax cuts and put it ALL (every penny) into personal security. Fences, armed guards, closed circuit cameras, emergency back-up generators, the works. Buy lots and lots of guns for yourself and your family, stock up on ammunition, learn to shoot quickly and accurately. Don't scrimp, don't cut corners. Pay the guards you hire top dollar to ensure their loyalty.

If you regret any of this outlay, you will have only milliseconds of regret. Start today, and don't stop.
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Love Bug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-25-06 02:54 PM
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14. You have my sympathy
You can't make people care who won't/can't. People like that are either selfish and unwilling to care or sociopaths and unable to care. I pray that your brother and his wife are the former because there is still hope for them. If they are the latter there is nothing you can say or do that will make a difference.

Did you ask them where they get their news? IMO, that makes a huge difference in someone's worldview.
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