Wisconsin or not - Dean's not quitting

[Hoppin_Mad]

 "Dean is now even suggesting a Wisconsin loss might not end his campaign. "Then we'll go on to Utah, Idaho, Hawaii, to Super Tuesday," he told reporters.

Dean has said he would not seek to damage the party, although he has shown no signs of tempering his criticism of Kerry and "Washington Democrats" in general. He also said he will not back down until a candidate has a majority of delegates. "  

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4165115 /

Like a football game where one team is ahead by 4 touchdowns with 5 minutes to go - the other team is 'out of the game' - but there is no quitting. Dean might be 'out of the race' if he doesn't win soon - but I doubt he will quit and NEVER said he would.

Most of the media are too stupid to figure this out, and en masse said he was going to quit if he didn't win Wisconsin - He said no such thing.

That's "the ploy"

Sorry to use a sports analogy !

[Straight Shooter]

1. And neither are we!!

:bounce:

[MercutioATC]

2. Thanks for that. I agree. He said no such thing.

He never said he's withdraw if he didn't win Wisconsin. That was pure media spin. He did stress that Wisconsin was important, and it rallied his supporters to break records again. I'm willing to take this thing to the convention. He loses my support if he dies or withdraws. Not before!

[hellhathnofury]

3. I'm with him till the end. NO SURRENDER! NO QUARTER!

A Real:dem: in 04.

[Langis]

4. I'm sorry his email was very clear

"The entire race has come down to this: we must win Wisconsin."

"We will get a boost this weekend in Washington, Michigan and Maine, but our true test will be the Wisconsin primary. A win there will carry us to the big states of March 2-and narrow the field to two candidates. Anything less will put us out of this race. "


Sure sounds like he will quit if he does not win to me.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

6. I agree. I see no confusion there.

Unless he means he will keep running even though he has less than a rat's chance in hell of winning.

[Hoppin_Mad]

9. And what's wrong with that ? DK, AS are doing it - To affect the platform

at the convention.

[Zomby Woof]

17. But DK never said he would quit one day...

...and backtrack the next. In fact, many others pointed out the other day that Dean was lying again, and would renege on his Wisconsin comment. Voila! He did, true to form.

[FubarFly]

19. Please post the link where Dean said he would quit?

Thanks in advance.

[Hoppin_Mad]

21. "lying again" is inflammatory and not supported by the facts Zombywolf -nt

[Zomby Woof]

27. it is just a simple truth

Dean has lied many times - about his changing stance on the war, about his record in Vermont, his not-so-unfriendly relationship with corporate America, and his artificial anger about "Washington insiders", of which he longs to be a part.

When someone says the "race is over", that means they quit. His supporters can spin his words all they want, that is their right. It is my right to point out that Dean is making a mockery out of his campaign.

[joshcryer]

30. No, that means they think the chance of winning is nill.

He never said he was quitting.

[Hoppin_Mad]

34. Mockery ? Like 'DK supporters' who don't even post in DK threads ?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=273733

[XanaDUer]

36. Wow.

Yes, what a "mockery" ZW is making of Dennis Kucinich, he did not even post in that thread!

:eyes:

[Zomby Woof]

39. LOL

Ah yes, the ol' parentheses around 'DK supporter' argument, a very powerful one indeed. I didn't know I was under contractual obligation to post in every thread about my candidate in order to prove my authenticity.

Guess I better take down the campaign signs on my office wall, in the living room, and take the sticker off my car, off the fridge, off my guitar case, throw away my t-shirt, my coffee mug, and ask DK for my money back, because dammit man, I am a phony DK supporter who failed to post in every single thread about DK! :spank:

I hang my head in shame.

[Hoppin_Mad]

8. You're reading into it what you want to

"The entire race has come down to this: we must win Wisconsin. . . .Anything less will put us out of this race. "


"put us out of this race" is NOT the same as "anything less and we'll concede and drop out"

[mrdmk]

10. Anything less will put us out of this race.

There is a difference bettween "Anything less will put us out of this race", and "I quit", are two different inferrances and do not mean the same.

[corporatewhore]

5. good even though i dont like him i think he should stay in because he adds

so much "fun" into the race. I love it that he doesnt care about being labeled impolite.I esp loved it when he told wolfie right to his face that the news media was only here to entertain (wolfie got this look on his face that seemed to say are you fucking serious)

[Anwen]

16. "News media is just as much entertainment as it is news"

I loved that!! The look on Wolfie's face was priceless! :)

[corporatewhore]

22. Kerry the elcetable would never have the guts to say that

even though i think dean is a tad bit too centrist for me he at least has a personality and the righteous anger over bush that the left has been wanting to express just never got a chance for the media to acknowledge for obvious reasons

[Anwen]

23. We can definitely agree on that!

:)

:toast:

[Endangered Specie]

7. YYYEEEAAARRRGHHHH!! - sorry couldn't resist

:evilgrin:

[FubarFly]

11. That's all right, let it out.

Many of us have felt this, and worse. What I like about Howard is that he understands our frustrations about the way this country is headed, because he shares them.

[DebJ]

12. $752,000 in 16 hours from 10,882 voters!!! Run Howard Run

[stromboli]

13. Wisconsin or VP

even if he loses Wisconsin, it would be a good move to stay in the race and rack up as many votes as he can in other states, boost his support as a vice pres. candidate. Either way, he does need to perform well soon to shift the momentum.

[Lugnut]

14. Another sports analogy....

"It ain't over 'til it's over."......Yogi Berra.

[frustrated_lefty]

15. Ehhmmm.

I could be bas-ackwards, but I think the reason the major unions stuck with Dean was he gave them a deadline. Feb 17 is it.

If Dean can't switch popular opinion by the 17th, AFSCME and others are switching. Period, he's dead there. They supported him, they're sticking and giving him a chance.

Seems to me AFSCME expects the biggest turnaround in our lifetimes.

[frustrated_lefty]

18. I concede if we lose WI

Won't vote for others in a big way, but WI is it.

[janx]

20. THE TEA IS IN THE HARBOR--especially now.

Think about it.

[Cascadian]

24. Then if he is staying then so am I!

It is so inconceivable that so many people want Dean to fail so badly. What are they afraid of? That Dean tells it like it is? I am hoping for a miracle between now and Super Tuesday. So many dirty tactics and rumors have been used against Dean and the media just spins him like taffy. I am just disgusted with the whole thing. I intend to help Dean get to the convention. I had a feeling that email story had been misinformation ploy.


:grr:


John

[Justitia]

25. I don't care if we gotta lock Dean in the closet....

....there will be NO WITHDRAWLS until after Super Tuesday!
There are waaaayyy too many folks wanting to cast their votes for Dean in CA & NY.

And, if Terry McA tries to force the issue, I predict the villagers will be grabbing their pitchforks and torches to make a run on the castle. :spank:

Remember the Alamo!

[Southsideirish]

42. Lady Texan, your posts are awesome! Welcome to DU!!! (n/t)

[Jack_Dawson]

26. It's your money

:eyes:

[MercutioATC]

28. Absolutely correct :)

We're making an investment.

[Adjoran]

29. The words are being misinterpreted

people are taking "we'll be out of this race" to mean "I will withdraw," when it really means "we'll be out of contention." He meant he really really really needs to win Wisconsin to have a real chance at the nomination.

Of course, if he runs poorly Saturday and in Wisconsin, it won't matter much whether he quits or not.

But ~ I've said it many times before: If you believe in a candidate enough to entrust him/her with the Presidency of the United States, you should at least also trust him to tell you when it is time to pull out.

[Lexingtonian]

31. No

The way it was reported on our local NPR station (WBUR, Boston) on the the 28th or 29th was this: Dean had conference call with his highest profile supporters- Congressfolk, union people, and presumably Gore- in which they told him he had to win one, soon. If it didn't come before Super Tuesday he'd lose any chance whatsoever at the nomination. They were going to be forced to pull out of supporting him if he didn't come up with a viable plan and decisive moves pronto. Trippi was out before sundown.

So the skip-the-Third Michigan/Washington plan appeared, then (as polling came in, and the money situation looked at) Wisconsin. Yesterday there was (yes, coincident with polls coming in from Wisconsin showing Kerry ahead there too) talk of focussing on Florida (March 9), which amounts to a kind of spiteful hostage-taking were it to succeed.

Realistically, it doesn't seem to be about the nomination anymore.

[joshcryer]

32. Primaries are fair game.

Get over it.

[Lexingtonian]

33. sorrrry...

it's not our side that isn't getting over stuff. :D

[DemocratSinceBirth]

35. This Race Reminds Me Of The "Thrilla In Manilla" Where Eddie Futch

wouldn't let Joe Frazier come out for the fifteenth round to continue taking the beating Ali was administering to him...

To his credit, Eddie Futch realized a nearly blind Frazier could get seriously hurt....

Where is Howard Dean's Eddie Futch?

Who among the Dean entourage will speak truth to power...

Dr. Dean, you waged a valiant fight but it's over...

To continue you risk harm to yourself and the party...

It's time to let go.....

38. Risks harm to himself??? -- What?

What does that mean, risks harm to himself? Particularly with the boxing analogy...
I can see the argument for risking harm to the party although I don't really buy that one either seeing as how I think Dean has energized the party and his continued presence will continue to energize things. The only way I see him causing harm to the party is if he runs as a third party candidate which I do not at all think he is going to do.

This risks harm to himself phraseology really bugs me. Anyone else have that reaction?

[John_H]

37. I admire ya hoppin, but it's decision time.

When Dean drops out on or before the 17, you'll have to make a decision channel your anger toward the country-improving goal of stopping bush or using it to help power KKKArl Rove's attack machine.

There's no other way to put it, and only you can make the call.

[Lefta Dissenter]

40. OK, so ya know what I find kinda funny?

In Dean's "I have a Scream" speech, he skipped right over Wisconsin! :P

[Capn Sunshine]

43. That's because

he was responding to audience members calling out states.

But you were probably unaware that the audience was participating

[redqueen]

41. Typical media whore spin

designed specifically to water down Dean's support. Cement in the reader's mind that Dean doesn't have confidence in his own campaign, and you can maybe sway some wishy washy Dean voters.

BASTARDS!

Make them PAY, people! GOTV for Dean in a BIG BIG BIG way!

Dean already slapped the media whores down... now it's YOUR turn!

Get to work, all you Dean voters!

:yourock: