"Do we allow a man to marry a sheep?" (R - of course - Colorado)

[TomInTib]

Bestiality story of the week…
http://pandagon.net/2006/08/16/candidate-for-lieutenant-gov-in-colorado-do-we-allow-a-man-to-marry-a-sheep/

Colorado Republican gubernatorial candidate Bob Beauprez probably has a headache right about now. He picks Mesa County Commissioner Janet Rowland to run with him as the lieutenant governor candidate, and then an interview she did earlier this year on Rocky Mountain PBS’s “Colorado State of Mind” surfaces, with her interesting comments about gays and marriage (Denver Post):

The host asked whether polls showing support for domestic partnership and a ban on gay marriage were “irreconcilable.”

Rowland began her answer by noting that she has gay friends and respect for gays. (Uh, oh.. you know what's coming..)



“But I believe marriage is between a man and a woman. Homosexuality is an alternative lifestyle,” she said. “That doesn’t make it a marriage. Some people have group sex,” she said. “Should we allow two men and three women to marry? Should we allow polygamy with one man and five wives? For some people, the alternative lifestyle is bestiality. Do we allow a man to marry a sheep?

“I mean at some point you have to draw the line,” she said.

[graywarrior]

1. Why marry one when you can sleep with one?

[Sparkly]

3. LMAO!!!

:rofl:

[Sparkly]

2. She forgot "box turtles."

:eyes:

[tanyev]

4. Funny how those Republicans are so obsessed with bestiality.

[ComerPerro]

32. I've often wondered about that

[panader0]

5. Baaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!

[TheCowsCameHome]

7. Not tonite, Nellie. I have a headache.

[TheCowsCameHome]

6. She sounds like an authority on the subject. Care to fill us in, Janet?

[Bluzmann57]

8. "One man and five wives"?

Man that'd be really rough. I think one wife is more than enough. What is it about these people and bestiality as well as group sex? Methinks either this woman is frigid or she has some skeletons somewhere.

[Canuckistanian]

9. The very same arguments used for interracial marriages

Back in the 60s and 70s, interracial marriage was "the line".

[ComerPerro]

33. trust me, some of them STILL think its wrong

[xchrom]

10. you can't expect intelligence from a tapeworm.

she should resign from politics and stop sucking a living from decent tax paying gay and lesbian folk.

i hope the people of colorado expect more from their tax paid politicians.

[dipsydoodle]

11. "Only ewe can make this world seem right"

Only ewe can make the darkness bright.

tra la. :rofl:

The Platters - Only You. Can't remember the rest of the lyrics.

[niyad]

29. here you go:

ONLY YOU (Platters)

Only ewe can make this world seem right
Only ewe can make the darkness bright.
Only ewe and ewe alone
can thrill me like ewe do
and fill my heart with love for only ewe.

Only ewe can make this change in me,
for it's true, ewe are my destiny.
When ewe hold my hand,
I understand the magic that ewe do.

Yewe're my dream come true,
my one and only ewe.

Only ewe can make this change in me,
for it's true, ewe are my destiny.
When ewe hold my hand,
I understand the magic that ewe do.

ewe're my dream come true,
my one and only ewe.

One and only ewe

[Contrary1]

37. Bwahahahahaha

:rofl: Best laugh I've had all day. Thanks! :rofl:

[dipsydoodle]

50. Thanks for that.

One of my favorite films has always been American Graffiti. That's cos I'm 62 goin' on 19. I've a curious number of vintage Con tees and an outrageous number of new unworn Jack Purcells and Keds etc. - stock for the rest of my life. Only You is on the film soundtrack of American Graffiti. Apart from that I know the track from when I was a kid when the Platters released it. :)

[paulk]

12. whats the matter Ms. Rowland

Afraid of a little competition?

[rep the dems]

13. It's gotten to the point where I don't even laugh at this shit anymore.

I used to find their stupidity and blatant bigotry amusing, but not now. Now it's just pathetic. I wouldn't be surprised if an 8 year old found gay marriage weird or unnatural, but for a grown person to make these stupid comparisons just makes me mad. The picture of her with that shit-eating smile only makes matters worse.

After 230 years, I would have thought people would realize that the line "All men are created equal" applies to gay people too (amazing isn't it?) but apparently not. Sigh, sometimes I really hate the world.

[CanonRay]

73. We have so many Repug Nutbags running for office

it makes Tancredo look sane. Where did they all come from? The right wing nuts have total control of the Republican Party in Colorado.

[truth2power]

14. I wish they'd stop..

with this "marrying animals" crap. Marriage is a contract. Animals can't enter into contracts. End of discussion.

Ms. Rowland has a Master's in counseling according to her bio. You'd think she'd be smarter than this. :eyes:

[Sparkly]

16. And "contract between 2 people" is reeeeeeeally hard to distinguish

from "contract among several people," let alone "contract between 2 people" being reeeeeeeeally hard to distinguish from "contract between two human or animal beings."

It's a completely fake argument, trying to imply there's a biiiig "slippery slope" here. There ISN'T.

[wellst0nev0ter]

44. As Jon Stewart Said

Polygamy is an actual lifestyle choice of which you can deny without infringing on basic rights. Nobody can claim to be "born" polygamous. Sexual orientation, however, is not a choice, and denial of marriage contract to any monogamous couple for arbitrary reasons does create two-tiered societies and violates civil rights.

Shut up Bill Bennet pretty good.

[VelmaD]

60. As someone who practices polyamory...

as a "lifestyle" I find it endlessly frustrating how me having multiple partners is a still a "choice"...but the gender of those partners is not. *sigh*

From reading the comments people on this board have made about poly...we obviously still have a long way to go in terms of tolerance.

And just so we don't muddy the waters...I do NOT endorse the system of polygyny where only the men are allowed multiple spouses. So don't go there.

[wellst0nev0ter]

65. You Have To Admit That Polygamy Is Much More Of A Choice

Than same-sex partnerships are. Even though I don't give a damn whether or not that sort of lifestyle is moral or not, I just don't give expanding the rights of heterosexual relationships the same urgency as legally recognizing homosexual relationships.

[VelmaD]

71. Uh...last time I checked...

in any relationship involving 3 or more people...at least 2 of them are the same gender. So expanding the rights of poly people does not just effect heterosexuals.

And how exactly is you telling me my desire to love more than one person is a choice any different from the people who tell gay people their desire to love someone of the same sex is a choice? Just asking.

[wellst0nev0ter]

76. How About This:

What is more urgent, letting gay people take part in polygamy or opening the door for monogamous homosexual relationships?

[VelmaD]

78. What a loaded and judgmental question

Why should monogamous gays have rights that I don't? Why should monogamous straight people have rights that I (or gay people) don't? Seeing the connection yet?

[wellst0nev0ter]

81. No, You Can't Have One Without The Other

stay with me on this.

[Bill McBlueState]

75. I read a book that got me thinking about this

"Under the Banner of Heaven" is Jon Krakauer's investigation into Fundamentalist Mormons, who continue to practice polygamy even though the main LDS church has outlawed it. Like you say, that particular brand of polygamy is a problem because it's a systematic way to deprive women of their liberty.

But -- I think many of the arguments progressives use to support same-sex marriage are equally valid for marriages among more than two people. It's about the right of people to associate freely with whomever they want. We should be able to protect that right while at the same time preventing the type of abuse that occurs in some polygamous situations.

The problem with opening the door to plural marriage is that one can easily envision a situation where a large number of people (like a dozen or twenty) who have no particular interest in one another enter into a marriage arrangement solely for the legal benefits. I'm not sure how to draw a line between that type of arrangement and the ability of a smaller number of people to have their love legally recognized in the same way as couples can.

Obviously the bestiality argument that rightwingers find so intriguing is silly, since animals can't enter contracts. But the issue of multiple marriage needs more careful thought.

[VelmaD]

79. Why should you draw a line?

There are people in "monogamous" marriages who only entered into it for the legal benefits. If you don't have a problem with that then you shouldn't have a problem with larger groups doing the same.

I just don't understand why all of my partners should not have the same right to be in my hospital room if something happens to me or any of the other rights monogamous straight people take for granted that gay couples are fighting for. Why shouldn't my partners have all those same rights as well?

[Bill McBlueState]

80. let me present an extreme case

Say you have 1000 people scattered across a state. They don't know each other, but they all want to be part of a group marriage to qualify for the tax benefits of married-filing-jointly status. Each of them independently contacts a particular third-party service provider who completes and files all the paperwork for a small fee, and voila, there's a marriage.

This sets up something more like a credit union than anything people tend to think of as a marriage. In the case you're describing, there's some existing relationship that the parties involved want to elevate to a particular legal status. In the admittedly extreme case I'm describing, there's no such existing relationship.

Do you think the law should distinguish between the two cases? I'm not sure.

[and-justice-for-all]

15. Thats funny...

those countries that DO have civil unions dont seem to have any problems..Hell, even South Africa is going to have Civil Unions!!

Conservatives are moronic control freaks, I hope they enjoyed their stay at capital hill because their time is coming to an end.

[Sparkly]

17. Just one of the ways this country is backwards....

Healthcare and the death penalty are others.

[C_U_L8R]

18. hey... we allow freeps to marry freeps

isn't that beastility ???

whatever...it's beastly at least

[CrushTheDLC]

19. No, the freeps are the offspring of previous man-sheep relations

That's why so many of them are skinheads. Being sheared just feels natural to them somehow.

[Contrary1]

20. Yep, as my ole pappy use to say...

Why marry a sheep when you can get the wool free?

[pscot]

21. Hey! I was just helping that sheep thru the fence...

N/T

[DinahMoeHum]

22. Janet "Man on Sheep" Rowland. Rick "Man on Dog" Santorum.

John "Man on Box Turtle" Cornyn

Anyone else??

:rofl:

[LittleClarkie]

23. Your husband married you, didn't he?

So we have precedence

[DeSwiss]

24. Marriage is an "alternative" lifestyle too.....

She has gay friends, huh? After comparing her "friend's" relationships to a man having sex with sheep, I have to wonder if she has them still?

[karlrschneider]

25. So, 2 Colorado Republican sheep ranchers buy a used DC-3

so they can get their animals to market quickly.

First trip, they're over the mountains and both engines quit.

"SHIT!", yells one, "What do we do now?"

"Grab a parachute and JUMP" replies the other guy.

"But what about the sheep??"

"Fuck them!"


"Do we have enough time?"


;-)

[ComerPerro]

34. LOL

[politicat]

26. We don't let people marry animals even where same-sex partnerships

are allowed.

Background: Boulder County, CO (and the rest of the state) has common law marriage. Back in the 70s, a gay couple came into the Boulder County Clerk's office for a marriage license. The clerk couldn't find a reason to deny it (there being nothing on the books except that both members had to be of age or have a parent's permission) so she sent it up to the county attorney. He returned a verdict that they could have a license. That license was issued and Boulder County became the first county in the nation to recognize same sex marriages.

This state of affairs continued until the Lege passed a law banning it this year, but because Boulder ALSO has a same-sex partnership law on the books, we can still issue common law licenses to gay and lesbian couples. Thus, when or if they split, they still have to get a divorce.

HOWEVER, back in the early 80s, a man came down wanting to marry his horse. The clerk denied the license because a) the horse was not 18 years of age and b) the horse could not give a verbal consent.

It's illegal to marry animals in Colorado. Most of them aren't of age and the rest don't communicate.

Duh.

[ComerPerro]

35. Ok, Seabiscuit, if you want to marry this man, stamp three times

[politicat]

40. ROFL!

:rofl:

[Hawkeye-X]

27. Beauprez's pretty much finished here.

Ritter (D) has a strong lead, and I only saw ONE single Beauprez sign wherefore I see plenty of Ritter signs.

Plus he picked a very extreme Lt. Governor which will turn off even more 'Pukes except for the morons down in Colorado Springs.

Hawkeye-X

[ronnykmarshall]

28. I'm sure her gay "friends"

are FLog Cabineers.

[ChipsAhoy]

30. Oh please!

What happens in the barn, stays in the barn. LOL!

[ComerPerro]

31. You kidding? I don't wanna be tied down with one sheep. I wanna get out

and be free to have sex with whatever barnyard animals I want

[TomInTib]

41. Hell, yeah!! nt

[ComerPerro]

36. ok, fine, politics is all about compromise. Let's compromise

They agree to pass legislation allowing gay marriage, and the Democrats will agree to enforce strict laws banning beastiality.

[zulchzulu]

38. One of the silliest arguments ever conspired by the Neocon theocrats...

So gay marriage will lead to marrying sheep...

OK...

Since we're playing Delusional MindZorp, perhaps we can thus roll out more unlinked "theories", like:

If you own a gun, then you'll next want to own nuclear weapons.

If you take water from a water fountain, then you will want to buy a lake in your local vicinity.

If you drink a beer, then you'll want to start a brewery.

If you read a book, then you'll want to invade the local public library and take control.

If you rent a DVD, then you'll want to move to Hollywood and become the next Speilberg.

If you go through a yellow light, then you'll want to run over puppies.

[ComerPerro]

39. Their leap to beastility is less linear than your reasoning

their "logic" seems to be:

If you own a gun, then you'll want to move to Hollywood and become the next Speilberg.

If you take water from a water fountain, then you'll want to invade the local public library and take control.

If you drink a beer, then you'll want to run over puppies.

If you read a book, then you'll next want to own nuclear weapons.

If you rent a DVD, then you'll want to start a brewery.

If you go through a yellow light, then you will want to buy a lake in your local vicinity.

[zulchzulu]

69. Point taken

I forgot the z-factor in the reasoning where you set up the Stupidity Template and then hit the "Chaos" button...

[Mz Pip]

42. Sure, why not??

If the sheep can sign the papers necessary to give consent to the marriage. :eyes:

Honestly, these people are just stupid.

Mz Pip
:dem:

[Vidar]

43. About the best way one can explain Republican reproduction.

[NMMNG]

45. Gee, you forgot to include furniture

I'm deeply in love with my dining room table and would very much like to marry it. I was so hoping that if gays go to marry that I might be able to push for human-furniture marriages. :sarcasm:

[Cobalt-60]

46. I thought I was the only one

For me it's my big leather chair.
We spend a lot of time together.
When she holds me between her arms....oohhh baby.

[Cobalt-60]

47. What about minerals?

You know, since that evil woman put these thoughts in my head, I've really taken notice of my amethyst geode..

[NMMNG]

48. My chair is nice enough,

But the table has those handy legs. :evilgrin:

[ShortnFiery]

49. Ewe!

Shear loveliness! :rofl:

[dipsydoodle]

51. See #11 and #29 above

and singalong - Only Ewe......................................:rofl:

[ShortnFiery]

52. I like your style ...

The one and only EWE! :P

[dipsydoodle]

53. At least I desisted,

despite the temptation, to go right downhill and start telling Australian and Welsh jokes about sheep and their owners.:)

[ShortnFiery]

54. Hey, I understand ... I to could degrade into Irish Limerick mode ...

but I'm just (barely) mature enough to hold back.

The next round is on me. :P :toast:

[dipsydoodle]

57. Sheer poetry

Mary had a little sheep

And with this sheep

She went to sleep

The sheep turned out to be a ram

And Mary had a little lamb

[ShortnFiery]

58. I bow to the master!

:applause:

[Donald Ian Rankin]

55. If you can get a sheep to give informed consent, then sure.

I quite agree that at some point you draw the line; that point is "informed consent". Bestiality is mildly immoral, but only on a par with other forms of cruelty to animals, not with sexual offences against humans. Polygamy is not in itself immoral, but the fact that it usually involves undue pressure being placed on very young women to marry much older men is.

Basically, the only sex acts that should be banned are rape, paedophilia, and sex with the mentally handicapped - those in which consent either isn't or cannot meaningfully be given.

[distantearlywarning]

59. Exactly! I couldn't agree more. n/t

[VelmaD]

61. Thank you...

It's nice to see someone note that having multiple partners is not immoral. As a member of the poly community I get really tired of the line even some "liberals" draw regarding which relationships are ok and which aren't.

And thank you for pointing out when polygamy (actually polygyny) is wrong. Coercing young girls into marriage is wrong - whether polygamous or monogamous. A system that only allows men to have multiple partners is also wrong. People who claim to be in monogamous relationships who then cheat on their partners...that's wrong. But consenting adults who knowingly, honestly, and willingly engage in relationships with multiple partners...that's not wrong.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

62. I'm not sure what recognition, if any, the state should give polygamy.

There are some things, like spousal privelidge, that should clearly apply to any married couple, whether or not one of them is also married to other people, and others, notably the financial bits, which I think one probably shouldn't be allowed to claim more than once.

I'm not entirely sure that being married should make any difference to most things, come to that. I think that if the state is going to give financial preference to married couples then it shouldn't discriminate between different types of relationships, but I'm far from convinced that it should.

[VelmaD]

64. I've never understood exactly why...

the state should go around giving financial preference to married couple in the first place. As someone who finds themselves opposed to marriage on a variety of historical and ethical grounds, it seems to me that the government shouldn't stick it's nose in at all other than to ensure everyone involved is consenting.

[ShortnFiery]

56. Colorado!

Where the men are men
And the sheep run scared :blush:

[rockymountaindem]

70. Someone carved that in a desk where I sat in high school

except it was about Wyoming. I guess we have a different perspective here in CO! Besides, I don't think I've ever seen a single sheep here. We're more a cattle state.

We did, however, have a cannibal one time. Alferd (yeah, legal spelling) Packer. The judge told him "there were only seven Democrats in Hinsdale County, and you ate five of 'em!" He got a break because everybody figured he really did have to eat the corpses of his traveling companions to survive being stuck in the mountains. Still no sheep though.

[OregonDem]

63. What law would get more republicans to come out and vote?

A law that would BAN gay marriage?

or

A law that would ALLOW for sheep bestality?

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

66. The repubs sure do like to talk about sex. Group sex and bestiality.

Didn't Ann Coulter repeatedly talk about "fisting"?

Repub porn = Lots and lots of talking, lots of repression and very little action. MKJ

[kineneb]

67. are we seeing a bit of, ahem, projection here? -nt

[alfredo]

68. Colorado is upwind from Kansas.

Could explain a lot.

[133724]

72. Unfortunately I have to agree

Republicans should not be allowed to reproduce.

PERIOD.

PERIOD.

END OF STORY...

[depakid]

74. So many sick individuals in this country

Seems to me that we DO have to draw the line somewhere-

and people who say stupid things like that ought to be disqualified from office!

[Skittles]

77. someone needs to check to see if he has a pet sheep

we know how hypocritical these conservative bastards are